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LIVE! Official CU vs Houston game thread - 9/12/25

It seems like we are bickering as fans on the QB. I seen Tcal supporters talking about, you did Salt wrong. I just don't see Salt scoring more than 21 points so what was he going to do against Houston if they score 30+. If our defense is this bad, it doesn't matter if Shedeur is the QB, how do you win being this bad?
The defense did not receive help from an offense that had them on the field for major stretches of the game. The defense got stops and put the offense in positions to succeed only to be back on the field after another 3 and out. The defense’s failings were not independent of the offense’s inability to sustain drives.
 
The defense did not receive help from an offense that had them on the field for major stretches of the game. The defense got stops and put the offense in positions to succeed only to be back on the field after another 3 and out. The defense’s failings were not independent of the offense’s inability to sustain drives.
Really? The defense was on the field for the first 9 minutes of the 3rd quarter. That has been the theme. Defense is soft, easily fooled and can't get off the field.

( I know the delicate genius won't see this)
 
The defense did not receive help from an offense that had them on the field for major stretches of the game. The defense got stops and put the offense in positions to succeed only to be back on the field after another 3 and out. The defense’s failings were not independent of the offense’s inability to sustain drives.
Not to pick a fight here, but again this is a team loss. They both did enough to harm the other side. Houston had the longest sub 400 yard streak in all of FBS coming into this game. Colorado had 200ish yards going into the 4th quarter. Neither side is good enough right now. I say "well the offense turned it over twice" to which you'll reply "yeah and how many turnovers did the defense force?". Both are the issue. Running the ball was an issue. Stopping the run was an issue. Pass efficiency was an issue. Pass defense was an issue. Turnovers and penalties were an issue. Forcing turnovers and penalties was an issue. Converting on 3rd down was an issue. Stopping 3rd down conversions was an issue.

Like what do you look at here and say "ah, THAT's why we lost!". It was a defeat in every form and fashion.

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Not to pick a fight here, but again this is a team loss. They both did enough to harm the other side. Houston had the longest sub 400 yard streak in all of FBS coming into this game. Colorado had 200ish yards going into the 4th quarter. Neither side is good enough right now. I say "well the offense turned it over twice" to which you'll reply "yeah and how many turnovers did the defense force?". Both are the issue. Running the ball was an issue. Stopping the run was an issue. Pass efficiency was an issue. Pass defense was an issue. Turnovers and penalties were an issue. Forcing turnovers and penalties was an issue. Converting on 3rd down was an issue. Stopping 3rd down conversions was an issue.
And all of it boils down to coaching, or the lack thereof
 
$12 mil to prime and Livingston, 20.5 mil in NIL, pretty sure there's at least another 5-7 in coaches, etc. Maybe I rounded up a bit, but the point is still - this isn't a $35+ mil product we're getting
Gotcha, that makes sense. Thought you meant the Roster and I would be disappointed if our roster alone was $40M and it is not more 5*
 
The defense did not receive help from an offense that had them on the field for major stretches of the game. The defense got stops and put the offense in positions to succeed only to be back on the field after another 3 and out. The defense’s failings were not independent of the offense’s inability to sustain drives.
Not sure I agree but PFF does. Gave the defense their highest grade of the season with a 79
 
Not sure I agree but PFF does. Gave the defense their highest grade of the season with a 79
Reason for this is Colorado had some of the most insane defensive stats this game.

54 TFLs
9 by Byard
An insane 25 hurries.

Issue is only 5 hits and 2 sacks.
UCLA game where CU OL got killed
7 sacks
14 hits
But 23 hurries
And 31 TFLs
 
Reason for this is Colorado had some of the most insane defensive stats this game.

54 TFLs
9 by Byard
An insane 25 hurries.

Issue is only 5 hits and 2 sacks.
UCLA game where CU OL got killed
7 sacks
14 hits
But 23 hurries
And 31 TFLs
Holy **** you're dumb. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the moon landing, the shape of the earth, and "dinosaurs".
 
You cant go by that because we know our backs can run. It's the OL run blocking. Too many TFLs

This OL since Tech hasn't really been able to get much of a push running the ball. Honestly, we did better last year before Cash started over Walker. We really need to figure out run blocking. Houston didn't do anything special like Tech or Delaware but they created lanes every single drive.
You can't give up on the run after like 5 handoffs.

They called passes at a 2+:1 ratio in the first half and last week as well. It's a line that features 4 transfers, you have to give them a chance to succeed.

If this staff gave up on the pass after an incompletion or tfl on a bubble screen like they do with the run each week, then we'd be throwing the ball a frequently as a service academy.
 
Players' "toughness" comes from having tough coaches. We have great, accomplished athletes, fine men, not much by way of tough attitudes.

As argued many times, these HofF guys have little to no coaching experience and because, truly, everything has come naturally to them, they don't always know how to teach and motivate. For guys like that, it was, "I try my hardest, I win my match-up". Sometimes you need techniques, added desire. repeat point: the fact no coach would tell CP to take a TO against Delaware showed assistant coaches afraid to assert themselves.

Go Buffs!
 
Holy **** you're dumb. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the moon landing, the shape of the earth, and "dinosaurs".
I don't care about personal insults.

They had 79 snaps on offense
Colorado forced a TFL on 54 of them and had 25 hurries.
Generally speaking, that usually doesn't end up where you give up 36 points and potentially much more.
 
You can't give up on the run after like 5 handoffs.

They called passes at a 2+:1 ratio in the first half and last week as well. It's a line that features 4 transfers, you have to give them a chance to succeed.

If this staff gave up on the pass after an incompletion or tfl on a bubble screen like they do with the run each week, then we'd be throwing the ball a frequently as a service academy.
This is facts considering how ineffective our passing game is right now.
 
Reason for this is Colorado had some of the most insane defensive stats this game.

54 TFLs
9 by Byard
An insane 25 hurries.

Issue is only 5 hits and 2 sacks.
UCLA game where CU OL got killed
7 sacks
14 hits
But 23 hurries
And 31 TFLs
Where in the almighty hell are you getting 54 TFLs. We had 4. Wtf.

You realize that’s more than half a seasons worth and you’re saying we got it in one game. Look at ESPN, it’s 4.
 
The only solace I’ve got this morning is that last night felt an awful lot like the kNU game last season. (Okay, the difference is that the defense turned out in the second half against kNU but it was still a cluster**** of an L.)

It’s a long season. Get a W, however ugly it might be, next weekend, and pray we find something, anything at home against the mormons under the lights. Hope isn’t a strategy but I can’t find **** else to hang onto from the first three games.
 
Not to pick a fight here, but again this is a team loss. They both did enough to harm the other side. Houston had the longest sub 400 yard streak in all of FBS coming into this game. Colorado had 200ish yards going into the 4th quarter. Neither side is good enough right now. I say "well the offense turned it over twice" to which you'll reply "yeah and how many turnovers did the defense force?". Both are the issue. Running the ball was an issue. Stopping the run was an issue. Pass efficiency was an issue. Pass defense was an issue. Turnovers and penalties were an issue. Forcing turnovers and penalties was an issue. Converting on 3rd down was an issue. Stopping 3rd down conversions was an issue.

Like what do you look at here and say "ah, THAT's why we lost!". It was a defeat in every form and fashion.

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After the game, my sentiments was more inline with you than MB, but watching the playback this morning. The defense was much better on a play to play level than the final data indicates. Like Tech, they just got gashed too much and late too as well as early but they forced turnovers in that game.

3.9 yards per attempts didn't seem like it after 1st watch but 2nd watch, we did well against the run. We sucked against the QB run, QB counter, QB sneak. We just suck against the QB because they just needed a yard and would get 2 yards. They simply couldn't force a TFL on Weigman much less bring him to the ground when it would seem they have him DTR. It was backtracking and it reminded me so much of 2023. In reality, they are superior defensively to 2023 but 2023 had a QB that could consistently lead a team to offensive production.

This year, we rate as the 10th worst passing offense in the nation. You can't win being this offensively ineffective. You might have to can Pat and just run Liberty plays with Salter and hope that he finds some magic he showed in 2023. Even first two games Salter was a significant upgrade over what Staub did yesterday which was would have been the worst performance in 2022 for the Buffs and the worst performance since 2021, Brandon Lewis against Cal as a redshirt freshman. Staub is way too old to be having stinkers like this and he was a disaster in the pocket. Absolute disaster
 
On rewatch, I counted a lot less TFLs than what PFF had. Same amount of misses with 29. Carter had so many and Wade and JB had the worst misses.
 
On rewatch, I counted a lot less TFLs than what PFF had. Same amount of misses with 29. Carter had so many and Wade and JB had the worst misses.
Can you link a screenshot because, again, the stats say 4. Not sure where you’re getting anything close to what you’re saying.
 
Can you link a screenshot because, again, the stats say 4. Not sure where you’re getting anything close to what you’re saying.
I might have completely misread their data. That sounds more like total tackles. They barely forced negative plays on rewatch. Just not of good plays for Houston but no bad ones like Delaware and Tech had

Definitely total tackles. Looking at it right now. Not sure how I watched that game and assumed that. It was late and I was tired and mad 😫 and trying to find a positive to move forward with.

Now looking at it. How the hell does our defense have a 79 grade with 29 missed tackles? The grade doesn't make sense.
 
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Watching how much our RBs improved with Faulk, I am convinced we move Helow to coach LBs and move Hart to somewhere else. Helow had the LBs looking good last year. At least the capable ones
I asked this question before the season. Why did we move Helow to edge? We need LB coaching. Even if we get rid of Hart now, the damage has been done e. We have no talent or recruits in the system. No lb wants to come here. It’ll take tons of money or a couple years to get decent LB’s here.
 
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