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Official CU vs TCU Game Thread - 10/4 @ 5:30 MT on FOX


Like I said above, if I am wrong about Prop 48, so be it. But, it is a red herring. CU was still competitive on the national front with or with out prop 48 since they were competitive before and after Prop 48.
 
Money is such a cop out. CU has plenty of money to compete in this conference. We aren’t talking about competing in the SEC or B1G. If Iowa State, Cincinnati, Kansas State, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, etc can win in the Big 12, then CU should be able to as well.

It’s mostly the “Prime fans” who are making this excuse at every turn. Some are even begging Prime to leave CU for the likes of ****ing Arkansas or SMU because of the resources he’d have there. CU is more talented than most teams they’ve played this season, they just majorly whiffed on the bridge QB and have had some of the worst coaching in the conference.
Arizona and Arizona State have big time boosters. They both stepped up in recent years. We been recently outbidded by Arizona for recruits that are 3 stars.

Iowa State has Matt Campbell and they have a much stronger recruiting ground than Colorado. It's literally next to Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Nebraska. Not the most fertile lands but they tend to be loyal as local recruits to each of the Iowa schools, and they do a good job in landing what they create well which is the trenches and their style of play and long term plan gives them advantages that you wouldn't expect.

Cincy recruiting map is much better than CU. It's not even close.

Utah football program is like BYU. It's very well founded and has some big dogs with big boy money willing to spend on their behalf and it's been that way since they turned P5.

Kansas State is comparable to CU in terms of weaker recruiting map and they don't have OK or TX schools money. They don't have Kansas money either.

They have a style of play and mindset that reminds me of the Steelers. They do have a better recruiting map just due to the JUCO scene which has always been strong in Kansas. That said, their HS map is weak, worse than a number of larger G5s. I don't know if CU can replicate them. They have a low but high level of patience. Low level for poor coaches, high level for you needing time to get the talent you need to compete. To me, that's just an elite administration for sports. It reminds me of Pittsburgh Steelers. A lot of continuity. Prime preaches about a standard. They have that standard.
 
Like I said above, if I am wrong about Prop 48, so be it. But, it is a red herring. CU was still competitive on the national front with or with out prop 48 since they were competitive before and after Prop 48.
Prop 48 until Prop 42 screwed up every was the lifeline of the creative, well coached poor recruiting ground schools like Nebraska and Colorado. Even then, Nebraska still found away till cheat with the walk on program till the SEC got their way again and got it cut off.

It's not a bad thing. At the time, you was getting your talent from the hoods. True legit hoods. 3rd ward of Houston, the projects in New Orleans, the hoods in South Central and Compton. USC, UCLA, and the SEC powers felt it was too much work to get these kids on track. Colorado had an entire program for them as well as Nubers to seek they get their degree and become well adjusted adults.

You gotta have a recruiting map or you just end up trying to outbid everyone like Nebraska or you end up like CU trying to convince them that this is the best place to.come if you want to.be developed for the NFL.
 
Arizona and Arizona State have big time boosters. They both stepped up in recent years. We been recently outbidded by Arizona for recruits that are 3 stars.

Iowa State has Matt Campbell and they have a much stronger recruiting ground than Colorado. It's literally next to Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Nebraska. Not the most fertile lands but they tend to be loyal as local recruits to each of the Iowa schools, and they do a good job in landing what they create well which is the trenches and their style of play and long term plan gives them advantages that you wouldn't expect.

Cincy recruiting map is much better than CU. It's not even close.

Utah football program is like BYU. It's very well founded and has some big dogs with big boy money willing to spend on their behalf and it's been that way since they turned P5.

Kansas State is comparable to CU in terms of weaker recruiting map and they don't have OK or TX schools money. They don't have Kansas money either.

They have a style of play and mindset that reminds me of the Steelers. They do have a better recruiting map just due to the JUCO scene which has always been strong in Kansas. That said, their HS map is weak, worse than a number of larger G5s. I don't know if CU can replicate them. They have a low but high level of patience. Low level for poor coaches, high level for you needing time to get the talent you need to compete. To me, that's just an elite administration for sports. It reminds me of Pittsburgh Steelers. A lot of continuity. Prime preaches about a standard. They have that standard.
And Cincinnati is irrelevant in recruiting in that better footprint. So is Iowa State. Those two programs get leftovers and scraps from B1G programs. Nobody believes Arizona is more talented at any position (other than QB) than CU, and outside of QB, CU is just as if not more talented than every Big 12 program not named TTU. The money issue is a cop out and if anything, they are simply misaligning funds to the wrong places and that’s a staff issue.
 
And Cincinnati is irrelevant in recruiting in that better footprint. So is Iowa State. Those two programs get leftovers and scraps from B1G programs. Nobody believes Arizona is more talented at any position (other than QB) than CU, and outside of QB, CU is just as if not more talented than every Big 12 program not named TTU. The money issue is a cop out and if anything, they are simply misaligning funds to the wrong places and that’s a staff issue.
That's just not true. They are very relevant in Ohio, Northern Kentucky, and other neighboring states for Football. Locals have a very strong belief in Cincy. Similar to locals in Orlando in central Florida about UCF.

You are vastly underestimating both schools.

Kansas State is the only school that's similar to CU in terms of money, recruiting map, and having a strong local fanbase that's very passionate.
 

There were several. It was a big reason why the Big 8 was so great during that period. CU, iirc, was more Prop 42 than the Prop 48 that succeeded it.
 
That's just not true. They are very relevant in Ohio, Northern Kentucky, and other neighboring states for Football. Locals have a very strong belief in Cincy. Similar to locals in Orlando in central Florida about UCF.

You are vastly underestimating both schools.

Kansas State is the only school that's similar to CU in terms of money, recruiting map, and having a strong local fanbase that's very passionate.
In average recruit rating, CUs last three classes have ranked as the following in the current Big 12 in average recruit rating:

2023 - 3rd… barely edged out by Utah and TCU at 87.68

2024 - 1st… Avg rating of 91.03, well above TTU who was #2 at 89.13

2025 - 1st… Avg rating of 89.43, well above TCU who was #2 at 87.62

Those are the HS recruiting avg ratings.

Below are the “overall” recruiting rankings and avg recruit rating that combines HS and Transfers.

2023 - #1 in total points and #3 in avg rating
2024 - #1 in total points and #2 in avg rating
2025 - #2 in total points and avg rating

No matter how you slice it, CU is a top 2-3 recruiting/talent acquisition program in the Big 12 and FAR superior in that department to Iowa State, Cincy, Arizona, etc.

There is no excuse really, the least of which is money.
 
My memory is CU never did. But, I am happy to be corrected. Maybe they did, if I am wrong, I am wrong. Either way I don't think it makes a bit of difference, historically CU has competed on the national stage and all this "it won't work in Boulder" is just an excuse.
Sal Aunese was a prop 48 guy. We didnt take very many of those guys, and didnt take them after we got things rolling.
 
In average recruit rating, CUs last three classes have ranked as the following in the current Big 12 in average recruit rating:

2023 - 3rd… barely edged out by Utah and TCU at 87.68

2024 - 1st… Avg rating of 91.03, well above TTU who was #2 at 89.13

2025 - 1st… Avg rating of 89.43, well above TCU who was #2 at 87.62

Those are the HS recruiting avg ratings.

Below are the “overall” recruiting rankings and avg recruit rating that combines HS and Transfers.

2023 - #1 in total points and #3 in avg rating
2024 - #1 in total points and #2 in avg rating
2025 - #2 in total points and avg rating

No matter how you slice it, CU is a top 2-3 recruiting/talent acquisition program in the Big 12 and FAR superior in that department to Iowa State, Cincy, Arizona, etc.

There is no excuse really, the least of which is money.
This is coach Prime Buffs. We all know Coach Prime has his own recruiting map among his media empire and sport media brand that gets him access like LeBron.

Let's look at what CU before Coach Prime and let's look at if their recruiting map is feeding Prime or is Prime map feeding CU?

2022 CU rated last in the Pac-12 with a score of 85.42. https://247sports.com/season/2022-football/overallteamrankings/?Conference=Pac-12

That would have been 5th in the AAC.

I am literally going through all the pre Prime years. This is a disaster. Middle of the pack AAC level recruiting. Everyone in the Pac-12 and Big XII outrecruited CU.

Mel Tucker recruiting is a much better look but once again, is CU pipeline feeding CU or is the coaches pipeline feeding CU.

Right around 2019, they evaluated the AAC and Mt West because before, they barely had recruits.
 
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This is coach Prime Buffs. We all know Coach Prime has his own recruiting map among his media empire and sport media brand that gets him access like LeBron.

Let's look at what CU before Coach Prime and let's look at if their recruiting map is feeding Prime or is Prime map feeding CU?
Maybe I missed the original point, but I am talking about Prime Buffs and their inability to win Big 12 games and you blaming it on $$$, recruiting grounds, resources, etc.

I’m tired of the Prime fans ****ting on CU as the institution that’s holding Prime back from being an elite college HC. This is his program. He has the keys to everything and is in year three of building it entirely in his image. He brags about having business connections to every Fortune 500 CEO. We know he has multiple billionaire friends. Yet, Prime fans are saying CU lacks the resources that Prime needs to be successful. It’s a total cop out.
 
Maybe I missed the original point, but I am talking about Prime Buffs and their inability to win Big 12 games and you blaming it on $$$, recruiting grounds, resources, etc.

I’m tired of the Prime fans ****ting on CU as the institution that’s holding Prime back from being an elite college HC. This is his program. He has the keys to everything and is in year three of building it entirely in his image. He brags about having business connections to every Fortune 500 CEO. We know he has multiple billionaire friends. Yet, Prime fans are saying CU lacks the resources that Prime needs to be successful. It’s a total cop out.
On one hand Prime's map is feeding superior recruiting, on the other he cannot be blamed for losing every P4 game this year because...Boulder. You are right, total copout. I'll say it again, there is no way UH, TCU, BYU and GT are more talented that this squad. The coaching is part of the reason for underachieving. I hate to say it, because I really want the Buffs to return to the national spotlight and I still think Prime can do it, but he needs some serious retooling of the AC's.

Whoever thought Salter was the bridge to Juju seriously miscalculated.
 
On one hand Prime's map is feeding superior recruiting, on the other he cannot be blamed for losing every P4 game this year because...Boulder. You are right, total copout. I'll say it again, there is no way UH, TCU, BYU and GT are more talented that this squad. The coaching is part of the reason for underachieving. I hate to say it, because I really want the Buffs to return to the national spotlight and I still think Prime can do it, but he needs some serious retooling of the AC's.

Whoever thought Salter was the bridge to Juju seriously miscalculated.
Of course CP feeds the CU recruiting. That’s the very reason he was hired here and nobody is making the argument that CU recruiting would be great without him so I don’t understand what #1 picks point is in all this other than to deflect from coaching and blame Boulder, CO or CU as an institution.

A competent QB has them at 5-1 so I’m not even really blaming it on Prime. He has acquired the talent necessary to win in this conference but ironically enough, they paid Salter a healthy amount to be the guy and it was a complete whiff. That one decision overshadows all the good that CP has done for this program right now.
 
Of course CP feeds the CU recruiting. That’s the very reason he was hired here and nobody is making the argument that CU recruiting would be great without him so I don’t understand what #1 picks point is in all this other than to deflect from coaching and blame Boulder, CO or CU as an institution.

A competent QB has them at 5-1 so I’m not even really blaming it on Prime. He has acquired the talent necessary to win in this conference but ironically enough, they paid Salter a healthy amount to be the guy and it was a complete whiff. That one decision overshadows all the good that CP has done for this program right now.
I think Prime has been marvelous on the recruiting front. He has put CU back on the map. Money is coming in. Exposure is through the roof. But his results remain poor. I am pretty surprised, but I really think CP and staff get out coached more often than not. That can be fixed in pretty short order. That is what I hope for. I really want to see this succeed, but it is clear there is something amiss. I agree Salter was a serious miscalculation, but still, I think they could be better than 2-4 right now.
 
Maybe I missed the original point, but I am talking about Prime Buffs and their inability to win Big 12 games and you blaming it on $$$, recruiting grounds, resources, etc.

I’m tired of the Prime fans ****ting on CU as the institution that’s holding Prime back from being an elite college HC. This is his program. He has the keys to everything and is in year three of building it entirely in his image. He brags about having business connections to every Fortune 500 CEO. We know he has multiple billionaire friends. Yet, Prime fans are saying CU lacks the resources that Prime needs to be successful. It’s a total cop out.
love me some coach prime but prime is the one holding prime back. prime ain't gonna have the chance to move up to the sec if he can't win big here, in a crappy conference with one of the top2/3 nil budget's in said sh**ty conference, a top 5 paid hc in all of cfb, all the support from the admin, an admin that is completely hands off. the big boys of the sec see all of this, the 'it's not prime's fault it's boulder' crowd does not and will not. cu has always had a sh**ty recurring map, yet multiple different coaches from the '50's to the 2000's have had top 10 teams. prime's a top 5 paid coach with personal resources every other coach in the land is envious of. a top 20 team is the very least of what is expected for the investment(which we're an average to slightly below average qb from being right now). to blame it on 'boulder' is an insult to coach prime.
 
Maybe I missed the original point, but I am talking about Prime Buffs and their inability to win Big 12 games and you blaming it on $$$, recruiting grounds, resources, etc.

I’m tired of the Prime fans ****ting on CU as the institution that’s holding Prime back from being an elite college HC. This is his program. He has the keys to everything and is in year three of building it entirely in his image. He brags about having business connections to every Fortune 500 CEO. We know he has multiple billionaire friends. Yet, Prime fans are saying CU lacks the resources that Prime needs to be successful. It’s a total cop out.
Because that's a big reason for him here. I don't know why that's hard to understand. If he's a type that likes to out talent at all positions. We simply don't have that type of budget.

I've blamed Prime for his own issues. 2023 HS recruiting and neglecting it outside of premium players which put us in an predicament because he would have been able to clean house on players who have potential and work ethic, they just didn't fit on their current school. Instead, we have to look for proven guys who might not translate at lower levels due to our budget. Fritz made a fortune as well as Coach Dill in recruiting those gems which they did at Tulane and Oregon. Prime biggest miss cost us because those players also would have been cheap and that hurts.

So Prime has responsibility for this. That said, we could have done better. Arizona, Kansas, BYU, and ASU Big time boosters came together to put their money all in on recruiting. Ours of course were discouraged by RG who wants to do it in house now but that's not working. We need some big dogs like Oil barren Campbell to get us legit starters which are all expensive.

Prime has blame here. He screwed up in 2023. A part of the reason we had the portal success we had was guys he wanted at Jackson, he came back to at Colorado. Once at CU, he wasted a couple cycles on some, you need to be able to play right now if you want to come here, stupidity. We need to recruit talent. If you don't want to offer them now, fine but recruit them and build that relationship and let someone else develop them for a year or two.
 
love me some coach prime but prime is the one holding prime back. prime ain't gonna have the chance to move up to the sec if he can't win big here, in a crappy conference with one of the top2/3 nil budget's in said sh**ty conference, a top 5 paid hc in all of cfb, all the support from the admin, an admin that is completely hands off. the big boys of the sec see all of this, the 'it's not prime's fault it's boulder' crowd does not and will not. cu has always had a sh**ty recurring map, yet multiple different coaches from the '50's to the 2000's have had top 10 teams. prime's a top 5 paid coach with personal resources every other coach in the land is envious of. a top 20 team is the very least of what is expected for the investment(which we're an average to slightly below average qb from being right now). to blame it on 'boulder' is an insult to coach prime.
Recruiting map is way more important from 2010 on because of TV contracts and the value even schools who didn't give two ****s about football now have for Football. Colorado big benefit in the 90s was the cared more than 99% of schools not in the SEC outside of Vandy and Kentucky. Nowadays, every P4 school cares. They know, they aren't far from being relegated if they don't figure it out.
 
love me some coach prime but prime is the one holding prime back. prime ain't gonna have the chance to move up to the sec if he can't win big here, in a crappy conference with one of the top2/3 nil budget's in said sh**ty conference, a top 5 paid hc in all of cfb, all the support from the admin, an admin that is completely hands off. the big boys of the sec see all of this, the 'it's not prime's fault it's boulder' crowd does not and will not. cu has always had a sh**ty recurring map, yet multiple different coaches from the '50's to the 2000's have had top 10 teams. prime's a top 5 paid coach with personal resources every other coach in the land is envious of. a top 20 team is the very least of what is expected for the investment(which we're an average to slightly below average qb from being right now). to blame it on 'boulder' is an insult to coach prime.
He doesnt have a top 3 NIL budget in this conference. BYU, Utah, and Texas Tech are crushing us in NIL and BYU and Utah have always crushed us and Campbell is crushing everyone including SEC schools with his checkbook.

You can't say well Prime is making a top 5 salary as if Prime has the resources they do. It's not even close. You keep avoiding what I am saying. If Prime had the budget, even if he screwed up two HS recruiting cycles. He could just FSU or TT and buy leaders and starters for millions. We didn't have that type of budget. We just didn't. We got lucky last year as we had extremely fair budget as two of our players took no collective money and were paying for players like Wester out of their own pockets.

We don't have those players anymore. We actually have a budget. My issue with Prime is, if he recruited those two classes like he's doing 2026. We would know who has the upside we covet and got some steals in the portal. We got no steals. None of our bargains outside of RBs have been worthy. None!

Everyone that's been good, we paid for like the OLs, Oatis, etc. We really didn't pay much for any of the transfer WRs as they aren't really expensive unless it's one of those ones like KC Conspection. The transfer RBs was all bargain bin. All of them.

Shedeur not going top 5 hurts because he was about to give us a budget that would have put us with some SEC schools.
 
Recruiting map is way more important from 2010 on because of TV contracts and the value even schools who didn't give two ****s about football now have for Football. Colorado big benefit in the 90s was the cared more than 99% of schools not in the SEC outside of Vandy and Kentucky. Nowadays, every P4 school cares. They know, they aren't far from being relegated if they don't figure it out.
wrong take, ucla has one of the best if not the best recruiting maps and they suck. Indiana has a terrible map and they're top 10. stop making excuses for coach prime. if he can't win here no one is going to give here a blue blood job just because he's prime. and ain't you the one who told us that staub was the 2nd coming of Joe Montana?
 
This is coach Prime Buffs. We all know Coach Prime has his own recruiting map among his media empire and sport media brand that gets him access like LeBron.

Let's look at what CU before Coach Prime and let's look at if their recruiting map is feeding Prime or is Prime map feeding CU?

2022 CU rated last in the Pac-12 with a score of 85.42. https://247sports.com/season/2022-football/overallteamrankings/?Conference=Pac-12

That would have been 5th in the AAC.

I am literally going through all the pre Prime years. This is a disaster. Middle of the pack AAC level recruiting. Everyone in the Pac-12 and Big XII outrecruited CU.

Mel Tucker recruiting is a much better look but once again, is CU pipeline feeding CU or is the coaches pipeline feeding CU.

Right around 2019, they evaluated the AAC and Mt West because before, they barely had recruits.
You're citing years when CU had absolutely no admin investment in the program and no desire to win, it's not applicable to CU with Saliman as the President.
 
He doesnt have a top 3 NIL budget in this conference. BYU, Utah, and Texas Tech are crushing us in NIL and BYU and Utah have always crushed us and Campbell is crushing everyone including SEC schools with his checkbook.

You can't say well Prime is making a top 5 salary as if Prime has the resources they do. It's not even close. You keep avoiding what I am saying. If Prime had the budget, even if he screwed up two HS recruiting cycles. He could just FSU or TT and buy leaders and starters for millions. We didn't have that type of budget. We just didn't. We got lucky last year as we had extremely fair budget as two of our players took no collective money and were paying for players like Wester out of their own pockets.

We don't have those players anymore. We actually have a budget. My issue with Prime is, if he recruited those two classes like he's doing 2026. We would know who has the upside we covet and got some steals in the portal. We got no steals. None of our bargains outside of RBs have been worthy. None!

Everyone that's been good, we paid for like the OLs, Oatis, etc. We really didn't pay much for any of the transfer WRs as they aren't really expensive unless it's one of those ones like KC Conspection. The transfer RBs was all bargain bin. All of them.

Shedeur not going top 5 hurts because he was about to give us a budget that would have put us with some SEC schools.
Prime needs to leverage his wealthy relationships. Point blank, period. All the top program coaches are out there fundraising and kissing the booster rings. CU doesn’t have the booster network those programs do but CP wouldn’t kiss the rings even if we did have them. If he doesn’t have the budget other programs do, he needs to take action. He is the driver of this ship, not a passenger.
 
wrong take, ucla has one of the best if not the best recruiting maps and they suck. Indiana has a terrible map and they're top 10. stop making excuses for coach prime. if he can't win here no one is going to give here a blue blood job just because he's prime. and ain't you the one who told us that staub was the 2nd coming of Joe Montana?
UCLA has the worse money situation in college football. The program is in debt. The alums don't want to give to the program. They pay Cal 10 million a year for bailing out of the Pac-12. They hired Foster for a reason. No one else wanted to come and Chip ran and bailed when they wouldn't give him any of his request for NIL.

I know college football. I dont say things just to say it. Prime deserves blame espeically for HS recruiting in 2023 and 2024 but the money is where CU has to step up.
 
Prime needs to leverage his wealthy relationships. Point blank, period. All the top program coaches are out there fundraising and kissing the booster rings. CU doesn’t have the booster network those programs do but CP wouldn’t kiss the rings even if we did have them. If he doesn’t have the budget other programs do, he needs to take action. He is the driver of this ship, not a passenger.
He has. Tim Cook has helped us and he's Mr. Auburn. The leader of our NIL club before it went in house was a Black Hollywood exec. She didn't go to CU. She's basically a CU auntie. That's already happening but they need a baller. Big dog. You got two but they rather talk about Trump sleeping with Satan then give the program 40 million for yearly recruiting. Larry Ellison wife. Big dog. Africans call it, big man status.

If you want Prime to make due, you will need to be patient and give him time. If you want wins now, we need money. Simple as that.
 
He doesnt have a top 3 NIL budget in this conference. BYU, Utah, and Texas Tech are crushing us in NIL and BYU and Utah have always crushed us and Campbell is crushing everyone including SEC schools with his checkbook.

You can't say well Prime is making a top 5 salary as if Prime has the resources they do. It's not even close. You keep avoiding what I am saying. If Prime had the budget, even if he screwed up two HS recruiting cycles. He could just FSU or TT and buy leaders and starters for millions. We didn't have that type of budget. We just didn't. We got lucky last year as we had extremely fair budget as two of our players took no collective money and were paying for players like Wester out of their own pockets.

We don't have those players anymore. We actually have a budget. My issue with Prime is, if he recruited those two classes like he's doing 2026. We would know who has the upside we covet and got some steals in the portal. We got no steals. None of our bargains outside of RBs have been worthy. None!

Everyone that's been good, we paid for like the OLs, Oatis, etc. We really didn't pay much for any of the transfer WRs as they aren't really expensive unless it's one of those ones like KC Conspection. The transfer RBs was all bargain bin. All of them.

Shedeur not going top 5 hurts because he was about to give us a budget that would have put us with some SEC school
PAGING THAT DE LAMA GUY
can we get a real quote on where our nil is in this conference from somebody that claims they have some inner connection/understanding of the program instead of some random internet guy. thanks
 
So how can you claim this situation is better than what it is then?
The situation is far better than before. I’m certainly not disputing that. My point is that he has recruited at a top 3 Big 12 level in both HS and portal each year he’s been here, so using money as an excuse for why we can’t compete in the Big 12 right now while programs who have been far worse in recruiting are successful doesn’t make sense.

IMO, our team is as talented if not more talented than every team we’ve played, outside of the QB position, so I’m blaming it mostly on Salter. However, Primes staff decisions and recruiting evaluation decisions with Salter (and others), have been an issue.
 
The situation is far better than before. I’m certainly not disputing that. My point is that he has recruited at a top 3 Big 12 level in both HS and portal each year he’s been here, so using money as an excuse for why we can’t compete in the Big 12 right now while programs who have been far worse in recruiting are successful doesn’t make sense.

IMO, our team is as talented if not more talented than every team we’ve played, outside of the QB position, so I’m blaming it mostly on Salter. However, Primes staff decisions and recruiting evaluation decisions with Salter (and others), have been an issue.
But Boulder!
 
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