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Official CU vs TCU Game Thread - 10/4 @ 5:30 MT on FOX

#1 pick said:
Hoover is a pretty good QB.
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Hoover is a good college QB. TCU though did a very good job of giving him a game plan and responsibilities that he could handle and that allowed him to use his abilities to the best advantage.

Our QB is clearly not the guy we expected him to be but we also aren't putting him and the team in the best situation to succeed.
 
MtnBuff said:
Hoover is a good college QB. TCU though did a very good job of giving him a game plan and responsibilities that he could handle and that allowed him to use his abilities to the best advantage.

Our QB is clearly not the guy we expected him to be but we also aren't putting him and the team in the best situation to succeed.
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He’s good but I don’t think he’s better than SS. He’s a pretty solid QB, plays within himself and doesn’t make stupid ass mistakes, poorly timed interceptions, 20 yard sacks, you get the picture.
 
MtnBuff said:
Hoover is a good college QB. TCU though did a very good job of giving him a game plan and responsibilities that he could handle and that allowed him to use his abilities to the best advantage.

Our QB is clearly not the guy we expected him to be but we also aren't putting him and the team in the best situation to succeed.
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I think the critical problem is pretty much entirely the QB at this point. You are rarely going to shut down good teams for less than 21 points. There will be mistakes and blunders in every game. And you won’t score on every drive.

But your Senior QB HAS to be a net positive to the offense. He is not. If we hadn’t thrown 3 INTs in the first half (one on the goal line), how far ahead would we have been? And how far would momentum have been shifted in our favor?

Also, if ANYONE in the stadium believed Salter could complete simple passes, anything other than random passes here and there, we’d face very different D schemes and likely stay on the field much more.

If SS was on this team, we’d be undefeated—or one loss at worst. I’m hoping Juju is that missing piece.
 
Pilotbuff said:
He’s good but I don’t think he’s better than SS. He’s a pretty solid QB, plays within himself and doesn’t make stupid ass mistakes, poorly timed interceptions, 20 yard sacks, you get the picture.
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He's nowhere close to Shedeur but he's not an above average QB. Even though he struggled against us for the most part, he's a pretty good QB and I don't love him as a prospect but at least he's a prospect. I think he will move up during the draft process till a 4th to 6th round and likely he's inline for a either a 4th or 5th round grade.
 
GawainBuff said:
I think the critical problem is pretty much entirely the QB at this point. You are rarely going to shut down good teams for less than 21 points. There will be mistakes and blunders in every game. And you won’t score on every drive.

But your Senior QB HAS to be a net positive to the offense. He is not. If we hadn’t thrown 3 INTs in the first half (one on the goal line), how far ahead would we have been? And how far would momentum have been shifted in our favor?

Also, if ANYONE in the stadium believed Salter could complete simple passes, anything other than random passes here and there, we’d face very different D schemes and likely stay on the field much more.

If SS was on this team, we’d be undefeated—or one loss at worst. I’m hoping Juju is that missing piece.
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No disagreement. Salter hasn't been good enough and from what he has shown isn't going to be good enough.

Key thing here though is that when you look at a guy like Hoover he doesn't have great skills. He isn't a highly competent passer or a great runner but he is good enough to do what they ask him to do. This is the point here. Not only is Salter limited but Shurmur continues to ask him to be somebody that he isn't. When you ask a player to do what he isn't capable of doing you end up with mistakes that cost you games.

Salter can complete simple passes, he can gain yardage with his legs. He can't do the things he is being asked to do and the results are INTs, failed 3rd downs, and ultimately lost games.

Comparing him to SS isn't realistic. Very few college QBs compare well with SS but a lot of QBs who aren't as good as SS still win a lot of games. It was a lower level but Salter won a lot of games at Liberty. Some things coaching can't fix but coaching should give players the best chance to succeed.
 
MtnBuff said:
No disagreement. Salter hasn't been good enough and from what he has shown isn't going to be good enough.

Key thing here though is that when you look at a guy like Hoover he doesn't have great skills. He isn't a highly competent passer or a great runner but he is good enough to do what they ask him to do. This is the point here. Not only is Salter limited but Shurmur continues to ask him to be somebody that he isn't. When you ask a player to do what he isn't capable of doing you end up with mistakes that cost you games.

Salter can complete simple passes, he can gain yardage with his legs. He can't do the things he is being asked to do and the results are INTs, failed 3rd downs, and ultimately lost games.

Comparing him to SS isn't realistic. Very few college QBs compare well with SS but a lot of QBs who aren't as good as SS still win a lot of games. It was a lower level but Salter won a lot of games at Liberty. Some things coaching can't fix but coaching should give players the best chance to succeed.
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Sure. I picked SS just because he is an easy reference. But frankly it seems like most of the QBs we’ve played against would likely lead to the same result—and they have been 1st or 2nd year QBs. Even Hoover is far more effective than Salter.

I don’t really think PS is asking all that much of Salter, who can’t even throw a touch pass over a LB to a wide open WR. I’ve been a big critic of PS, but his game plan the past couple weeks, at least, has been pretty good.

Salter is a Senior QB with years of starting exp., apparently, trying to look cool throwing side-arm instead to just completing passes, which he has to stare down and think about before throwing.

Sorry. Just ticked off our season is lost to this guy.
 
This team could have been outstanding with a QB who had even average accuracy and touch.

We have, statistically, the best pass blocking offensive line in the country, a bevy of good receivers, and have by far the best rushing offense we’ve had since Prime arrived, and the season is wasted because of Salter.

Even if you change nothing on the defense, which has been decimated by injuries, this team could potentially be undefeated with competent QB play.
 
Buffnik said:
That would be an indication of the severity of the problem. Responding on social to agree with fans that there's a problem with coaching is a problem regardless of who it is coming from.
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Yeah, we are not FB friends or anything because I'm 30. It was a random response in a post that was made on the Colorado Buffalos page and it appears he went through every comment. Looking at it I'm going to assume someone hacked his account because there is a heart emoji next to every comment. So maybe something other than disgruntled player.
 
#1 pick said:
That's not a reasonable statement because they aren't in Boulder. I am speaking in Boulder. Our recruiting budget is 50th and yes, we spent more on NIL than most Big XII teams. Most of that was for HS recruits which haven't let us down. We went cheap with the portal and we are shocked we are getting what we paid for outside of Salter who's a miss but you gotta pay for portal QBs. Everyone else does as well. Duke literally paid 4 million for Mensah and kept their LB gem from Michigan which we couldnt for NOK. I wonder how much better we would be with him at LB instead of JB or Hughes

You can't complain about Prime when it comes to talent inquisition when we just don't have the budget. I've gotten on Prime personally about 2023 HS class of not recruiting it heavily which would have helped us identify gems better which most coaches in this era does. That said, my issue with that class doesn't exclude that we needed the money this offseason to get starters on defense. We didn't have the money we needed and that's what's kicking our ass.
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I am tired of the "Boulder is harder to win than other places" argument. CU was a national player in the 60's, 70's, Mac was a winner in the late 80's and won a MNC in 1991. He fielded nationally relevant teams through 1994. Ricky ran the Ferrari into a lightpole and Barnett rebuilt coming within a smidge of playing for it all in 2001.

You can say ancient history, and that is fair, you can say portal and NIL and that is fair too. But Boulder is pretty much like any other place. If the admin supports the FB team, they can win. The Boulder narrative is what failed coaches say. The admin support is there for CP.

CP was supposed to be the portal/NIL master for the new college landscape. He has, in large part, delivered on that. CU's talent level is leaps and bounds higher than it was at any time except Peak McCartney (which I think was even higher).

But what we are seeing, over and over, is lesser teams coming in and beating CU. There are a bunch of games where teams that, on paper, should not be running with the Buffs, but are not only doing so, but beating them. CU is 0 fer against P4 teams and that is a massive underachieve for this roster. You will never convince me GT, UH, TCU and BYU are all more talented than CU. It is better coaching IMO.

I get that Salter is a terrible QB, but who brought him in here? It isn't like people didn't know he had terrible throwing mechanics. Some act like there was no film on the guy.

I think CP was the right guy at the time. I still think he has done a lot great things for CU that probably nobody else could. I want him to continue, but there has to be a complete retool of the AC's for him to be successful. He desperately needs help. He has not done what he said he would do...win. Regardless of how great he is at everything else, if come game day CU continues to lose, the naysayers who point to "all flash, no substance" will begin to get traction. They probably already are.
 
leftybuff said:
I am tired of the "Boulder is harder to win than other places" argument. CU was a national player in the 60's, 70's, Mac was a winner in the late 80's and won a MNC in 1991. He fielded nationally relevant teams through 1994. Ricky ran the Ferrari into a lightpole and Barnett rebuilt coming within a smidge of playing for it all in 2001.

You can say ancient history, and that is fair, you can say portal and NIL and that is fair too. But Boulder is pretty much like any other place. If the admin supports the FB team, they can win. The Boulder narrative is what failed coaches say. The admin support is there for CP.

CP was supposed to be the portal/NIL master for the new college landscape. He has, in large part, delivered on that. CU's talent level is leaps and bounds higher than it was at any time except Peak McCartney (which I think was even higher).

But what we are seeing, over and over, is lesser teams coming in and beating CU. There are a bunch of games where teams that, on paper, should not be running with the Buffs, but are not only doing so, but beating them. CU is 0 fer against P4 teams and that is a massive underachieve for this roster. You will never convince me GT, UH, TCU and BYU are all more talented than CU. It is better coaching IMO.

I get that Salter is a terrible QB, but who brought him in here? It isn't like people didn't know he had terrible throwing mechanics. Some act like there was no film on the guy.

I think CP was the right guy at the time. I still think he has done a lot great things for CU that probably nobody else could. I want him to continue, but there has to be a complete retool of the AC's for him to be successful. He desperately needs help. He has not done what he said he would do...win. Regardless of how great he is at everything else, if come game day CU continues to lose, the naysayers who point to "all flash, no substance" will begin to get traction. They probably already are.
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You maybe tired of it but it doesn't change the facts

Prop 48 era is long gone. Those type of players don't even work in 2025. You need good students in 2025. Everyone wants those guys too.

I actually think it's a good thing you don't have this wealthy network of alums because they tend to be extremely stubborn. One of the reasons RG can hire who he thinks is the best man is due to that.
 
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GoBuffs08 said:
Should I be concerned that I posted to FB after the game that our coaching staff is trash, and one of the people that love the comment is a current player?
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Either Drelon's account got hacked or he really loves the heart button on Facebook because his account has loved pretty much every comment on the official Colorado Football Facebook page.
 
#1 pick said:
You maybe tired of it but it doesn't change the facts

Prop 48 era is long gone. Those type of players don't even work in 2025. You need good students in 2025. Everyone wants those guys too.
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CU never took Prop 48 guys. I normally think you are pretty on the money in your posts, but this one doesn't ring true. Nor does it explain why CU was a national player in the past, but suddenly under CP we can't expect it anymore because...Boulder. I think you are simply being an apologist here. And that's okay, I like CP too, but what he is doing isn't working. Somebody needs to get him to back to the chalkboard. IMO, he needs to let a solid OC come in and run the offense, including choosing assistants. A scheme needs to be identified, recruited to, and run consistently.

In all fairness, I think the D is on track. But $10MM a year is a lot to pay a guy who is sub-.500 in the middle of year three.
 
Buffnik said:
That would be an indication of the severity of the problem. Responding on social to agree with fans that there's a problem with coaching is a problem regardless of who it is coming from.
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I just looked it up. Drelon is the one loving every comment like a 12 year old girl who just got her first Facebook account.
 
leftybuff said:
CU never took Prop 48 guys. I normally think you are pretty on the money in your posts, but this one doesn't ring true. Nor does it explain why CU was a national player in the past, but suddenly under CP we can't expect it anymore because...Boulder. I think you are simply being an apologist here. And that's okay, I like CP too, but what he is doing isn't working. Somebody needs to get him to back to the chalkboard. IMO, he needs to let a solid OC come in and run the offense, including choosing assistants. A scheme needs to be identified, recruited to, and run consistently.

In all fairness, I think the D is on track. But $10MM a year is a lot to pay a guy who is sub-.500 in the middle of year three.
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I also think that CP needs to rely less on the portal and more on recruiting in order to try to build a culture with some sort of identity. The teams CU has lost to have better coaching and a more established program relying on high school recruiting, creating a culture, more continuity and a team first attitude. CU is out there with a bunch of mercenary type players and new coaches who seem lost half the time. Yeah, they might be more athletically gifted on an individual level, but they're worse as a collective whole.
 
leftybuff said:
CU never took Prop 48 guys. I normally think you are pretty on the money in your posts, but this one doesn't ring true. Nor does it explain why CU was a national player in the past, but suddenly under CP we can't expect it anymore because...Boulder. I think you are simply being an apologist here. And that's okay, I like CP too, but what he is doing isn't working. Somebody needs to get him to back to the chalkboard. IMO, he needs to let a solid OC come in and run the offense, including choosing assistants. A scheme needs to be identified, recruited to, and run consistently.

In all fairness, I think the D is on track. But $10MM a year is a lot to pay a guy who is sub-.500 in the middle of year three.
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We took quite a few of memory serves me correct until the admin shut the window. This was McCartney and under Gee. Could be wrong but I seem to remember that we did until we could not because of academic leadership influence and other changes in admissions
 
Buffalo Brad said:
We took quite a few of memory serves me correct until the admin shut the window. This was McCartney and under Gee. Could be wrong but I seem to remember that we did until we could not because of academic leadership influence and other changes in admissions
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My memory is CU never did. But, I am happy to be corrected. Maybe they did, if I am wrong, I am wrong. Either way I don't think it makes a bit of difference, historically CU has competed on the national stage and all this "it won't work in Boulder" is just an excuse.
 
Money is such a cop out. CU has plenty of money to compete in this conference. We aren’t talking about competing in the SEC or B1G. If Iowa State, Cincinnati, Kansas State, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, etc can win in the Big 12, then CU should be able to as well.

It’s mostly the “Prime fans” who are making this excuse at every turn. Some are even begging Prime to leave CU for the likes of ****ing Arkansas or SMU because of the resources he’d have there. CU is more talented than most teams they’ve played this season, they just majorly whiffed on the bridge QB and have had some of the worst coaching in the conference.
 
AlaskaBuff said:
I also think that CP needs to rely less on the portal and more on recruiting in order to try to build a culture with some sort of identity. The teams CU has lost to have better coaching and a more established program relying on high school recruiting, creating a culture, more continuity and a team first attitude. CU is out there with a bunch of mercenary type players and new coaches who seem lost half the time. Yeah, they might be more athletically gifted on an individual level, but they're worse as a collective whole.
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You get what you get. Prime inherited a 1-11 team with a roster probably in the 80-90's overall. Except for 1 season, the team had been down for 20 years. Prime had to build via the portal just as every coach facing that situation has done. I think that they have built a competitive culture with more talent and depth, however a huge leadership void existed after so many went into the NFL last year. In certain ways, they should have been able to build off last season as they had good returning players, but those are huge holes to fill. I think the AC's will keep churning, but IMO with Prime they have largely churned up not down compared to when Prime stepped on campus. Prior to Prime in many seasons, CU could hardly attract a decent name to be an AC.
 
GRM said:
You get what you get. Prime inherited a 1-11 team with a roster probably in the 80-90's overall. Except for 1 season, the team had been down for 20 years. Prime had to build via the portal just as every coach facing that situation has done. I think that they have built a competitive culture with more talent and depth, however a huge leadership void existed after so many went into the NFL last year. In certain ways, they should have been able to build off last season as they had good returning players, but those are huge holes to fill. I think the AC's will keep churning, but IMO with Prime they have largely churned up not down compared to when Prime stepped on campus. Prior to Prime in many seasons, CU could hardly attract a decent name to be an AC.
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Honest question: I am curious which AC's are upgrades over prior staffs? I would agree there are some, but there is some serious soul searching that has to go on for some, IMO.
 
leftybuff said:
CU never took Prop 48 guys. I normally think you are pretty on the money in your posts, but this one doesn't ring true. Nor does it explain why CU was a national player in the past, but suddenly under CP we can't expect it anymore because...Boulder. I think you are simply being an apologist here. And that's okay, I like CP too, but what he is doing isn't working. Somebody needs to get him to back to the chalkboard. IMO, he needs to let a solid OC come in and run the offense, including choosing assistants. A scheme needs to be identified, recruited to, and run consistently.

In all fairness, I think the D is on track. But $10MM a year is a lot to pay a guy who is sub-.500 in the middle of year three.
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The Alabaster Yak said:
Money is such a cop out. CU has plenty of money to compete in this conference. We aren’t talking about competing in the SEC or B1G. If Iowa State, Cincinnati, Kansas State, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, etc can win in the Big 12, then CU should be able to as well.

It’s mostly the “Prime fans” who are making this excuse at every turn. Some are even begging Prime to leave CU for the likes of ****ing Arkansas or SMU because of the resources he’d have there. CU is more talented than most teams they’ve played this season, they just majorly whiffed on the bridge QB and have had some of the worst coaching in the conference.
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The Prime stans on social media are the absolute ****ing worst - and they gate keep like no other, absolutely astounding.
 
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