Line me up and look at top 25 when Cincy and UCF aren’t playing Toledo, Tulane and ECU every year. Massive difference. Cincy and UCF would hope to eventually get to Utah’s status as a decent not great P5 program
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I’ll leave this here for anyone that wants to do the analysis. It has final rankings for every year of the CFP. It would be nifty if someone could show how much better the P12 has been than the Big XII + potential additions that folks have mentioned. Just during cursory looks, I’m not seeing it. The new teams plus ISU, OSU, TCU, Etc seem to have more ranked teams (sometimes higher than the highest P12…sometimes multiple higher than the highest 12). And to say that one specific team isn’t consistently highly ranked is disingenuous, seeing that it’s the same case in the P12
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Either way, prove this theory incorrect.
College Football Playoff - Rankings
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hawg1
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OK. Line it up for past 5 years.
hawg1
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Cincy is better than Utah. Today, last year and next year.
hawg1
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Idiot. /sI’ll leave this here for anyone that wants to do the analysis. It has final rankings for every year of the CFP. It would be nifty if someone could show how much better the P12 has been than the Big XII + potential additions that folks have mentioned. Just during cursory looks, I’m not seeing it. The new teams plus ISU, OSU, TCU, Etc seem to have more ranked teams (sometimes higher than the highest P12…sometimes multiple higher than the highest 12). And to say that one specific team isn’t consistently highly ranked is disingenuous, seeing that it’s the same case in the P12
Either way, prove this theory incorrect.College Football Playoff - Rankings
So the cream of the AAC might be as good or slightly better right now (debatable after they play a full P5 schedule year in, year out) than a second tier Pac 12 program? Ok?
hawg1
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Yes. Cincy is better than Utah. It was asserted otherwise above.
If they played tomorrow what do you think the betting line would be? I’d say Utah at least -3.5.
Cincy might have a better team this year, and that’s a huge maybe, but that doesn’t mean they would be better and more successful playing a Pac 12 scheduoe
hawg1
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That’s great. But in case you were wondering how Utah would fair against a historically over achieving G5 school, check this out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_War_(BYU–Utah)
spoiler alert: Utes have beaten them 9 times in a row.
hawg1
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You may be right. That’s not my thesis.
hawg1
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Look at anybody’s power ratings this year and tell me again Utah -3.5.
Year in, year out in a P5 conference, where do you think Cincy and UCF fall?
You’re not putting things in the proper context. You’re comparing apples and oranges.
For instance, which team between Utah and Cinc has a better chance of beating a team like Clemson?
hawg1
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Which conference?
My contention remains that a Big12 with C, H, BYU and UCF could be better than P12. And that Cincy is better than Utah this year, last year and next year.
hawg1
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You said line would be Utah -3.5. I called BS.
Now you have a different contention. I still say Cincy.
So which of those teams would be better than Oregon, USC and UW?
Again, Utah has boat raced BYU 9 straight times. So how are you supporting this?
hawg1
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When? This year? Previous year? Future year?
hawg1
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I told you. Power ratings. None I’ve seen support Utah -3.5 over Cincy. None.
This year and going forward. Which ones would consistently be on par with them
hawg1
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This year
Oregon (Polls disagree)
Cincy
USC
UDub
Iowa State best of lot this year.
Forward
Oregon
USC
Cincy
UDub
Iowa State would be below USC, but above UDub.
That’s my guess.
and Cincy favored over Utah. That’s not a guess.
Iowa State and Cincy are both going to be on that level when Campbell and Fickell both leave next year?
hawg1
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Dunno. Too many assumptions in your ongoing stacked questions.
I’ll stand by my two contentions.
You made the assertion that a Big 12 including Cincy, UCF, BYU, and Houston would be better than the Pac 12, yet the only thing you’ve said to back that up is that Cincinnati is currently rated higher in the preseason polls. What about the other 3 teams who you say are elevating that conference?
You may need to clarify. Are you saying that 12 team conference would be better in 2021 or better in general going forward?
hawg1
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If you looked at Utah in the Urban Meyer years, you could conclude they were a better program than Alabama. That would be sampling bias.
Yet...Cincinnati has had a good run under Fickell, and has consistently been one of the better non power conference athletic departments. If Cincy were brought into a power conference, I suspect they’d compete pretty well because the school wants to compete at a high level, they’d have the dough and the cache to retain coaches, it generally doesn’t give a rats ass about academics, it’s decently located for recruiting, and the AD would tolerate some reasonable cheating.
Yet...Cincinnati has had a good run under Fickell, and has consistently been one of the better non power conference athletic departments. If Cincy were brought into a power conference, I suspect they’d compete pretty well because the school wants to compete at a high level, they’d have the dough and the cache to retain coaches, it generally doesn’t give a rats ass about academics, it’s decently located for recruiting, and the AD would tolerate some reasonable cheating.
UtahaluminTX
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I know doesn't fit the thread (but at least it's not about soccer!) Frosty and his 'awesome' team with the N for 'nollij' on their helmets looked quite pathetic today against Illinois. What 5 years in for magic man Frost? And they can't beat a first year coached perrenial also ran Fighting Illini squad. At what point do the husker fans stop travelling to see their squad fail again... again?