I said there are five programs above anything the proposed conference would have. Do you really want to get into historical data with baylor, Iowa state, Kansas state, Kansas, UCF and TTU?
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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
Okay well your argument is complete garbage and I’m done with the stupid back and forth if you think Iowa state is some elite program.
hawg1
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No. I’ve put a time boundary on my contention. It’s clear.
you want to shift the goalposts. I won’t.
Taking the worst five year stretch for the pac 12 in any comparison is the definition of shifting the goalposts. Up until 2014 the pac 12 was the second best conference in college football. Just because programs like USC, UCLA, Washington and ASU aren’t performing at the level they should doesn’t mean those programs aren’t good over the long term.
hawg1
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Nope, I didn’t say that.
Today and going forward.
Line em up.
I’ll help you start:
ISU vs Oregon
Cincy vs uSC
….
Oregon could easily beat ISU? USC is loaded and the hype coming out of that program seems legit but I would stay away until they have someone other than Helton running the team.
this is also the dumbest argument I have seen from you. You can’t use this year to judge teams when Texas and OU are still in the conference. That is the whole reason we are discussing a new conference.
hawg1
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I already eliminated UT and OU.
I said that twice.
Seriously, One, can you not keep up?
Projecting the better teams in a year where OU and Texas are still in the conference is retarded, that is not the point of a realignment thread dumbass. When Texas and OU leave those teams are ****ed, even if they add teams from the AAC. When that all happens the proposed conference will not be on par with the Pac 12 in terms of a football product like you said. I feel like I am talking to my wife’s 5th graders right now
Bb do your eyes a favor and switch to grey theme. White theme is for visiting Rams fans.
hawg1
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My contention stands. It bothers you. That’s OK.
The P12 is weak. That bothers you. It’s OK.
Okay I’ll play. Here are my pac 12 power rankings
Utah=ISU
Oregon=cincy
Washington>Oklahoma state
Usc>TCU
Ucla>UCF
Arizona state>West virginia
is that better for you?
hawg1
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Thanks. Disagree.
Do you really want to go there? Ok, Oregon would boat race ISU. USC would beat the hell out of Cincy. What else you got?
LMAO- Iowa State looks primed for a good season, but in 92 seasons they have NEVER won the Big 6/7/8/12. The closest they got was 2004, when they tied CU for the best record in the Big12 North division (which CU won on a tiebreaker). And they're some power house?
I wouldn’t go that far. This year that might be 0-2 for the pac 12
I don’t think we’re debating powerhouses here. I think we are debating the current state of the P12 vs whatever a New Big Xii would be with the addition of some pretty decent (since 2000) schools. Is ISU a powerhouse - No. Could they beat most teams in the P12 right now - Yes.
What P12 team would have lost to UGA by only three, forcing a 14-0 4th qtr comeback to win? I’m guessing not a lot.
What P12 team would have lost to UGA by only three, forcing a 14-0 4th qtr comeback to win? I’m guessing not a lot.
Dude first of all it’s a bowl game, second of all Georgia was sitting a ton of players.
Think big: Here is one way to save the Big 12
For the Big 12 to grow into a vibrant new league for the next generation, the league’s leaders need to resist all of the quick-trigger leadership instincts.
Thamel says Big 12 could decide to just go big and go to 16.
West: SDSU, BYU, Boise, and csu
Midwest: KU, KSU, OSU, and ISU
Texas: TT, TCU, BU, and Houston
East: UCF, USF, Cincy, and WVU
My assumpation is that csu goes to balance out BSU's weaker research tier status. Big 12 would kneecap the AAC & MWC and be clearly the 5th best conference.
I used to think that csu could threaten CU's status as being the lone P5 school in CO but that ship sailed once OU & UT announced their SEC move. The only way csu goes P5 is if they join the P12 which isn't happening.
Decent plan. Only thing I would say is that missing out on the three service academies might hurt ratings for the conference as a whole.
Think big: Here is one way to save the Big 12
For the Big 12 to grow into a vibrant new league for the next generation, the league’s leaders need to resist all of the quick-trigger leadership instincts.currently.att.yahoo.com
Thamel says Big 12 could decide to just go big and go to 16.
West: SDSU, BYU, Boise, and csu
Midwest: KU, KSU, OSU, and ISU
Texas: TT, TCU, BU, and Houston
East: UCF, USF, Cincy, and WVU
My assumpation is that csu goes to balance out BSU's weaker research tier status. Big 12 would kneecap the AAC & MWC and be clearly the 5th best conference.
I used to think that csu could threaten CU's status as being the lone P5 school in CO but that ship sailed once OU & UT announced their SEC move. The only way csu goes P5 is if they join the P12 which isn't happening.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Really? Call Vegas. Make money.
If the service academies are still allowed to have larger players as during the Trump administration, that would be workable. I'm not sure if the Biden administration rescinded those Trump era rules.
Army didn't fare so well in C-USA and took awhile to recover from that. Navy isn't doing so hot in the AAC so I think they will eventually decide to just leave the AAC at some point down the road and go back to independent football. AFA should go independent if csu leaves the MWC along with BSU & SDSU. Their other sports teams haven't been as competitive in the MWC as they used to it seems to me so they can just go to the Summit League which has DU as a full member and UNC baseball is joining next season...maybe UNC is kicking the tires on a reunion with their former D2 NCC rivals?
Sounds like a good G5 conferenceThink big: Here is one way to save the Big 12
For the Big 12 to grow into a vibrant new league for the next generation, the league’s leaders need to resist all of the quick-trigger leadership instincts.
Thamel says Big 12 could decide to just go big and go to 16.
West: SDSU, BYU, Boise, and csu
Midwest: KU, KSU, OSU, and ISU
Texas: TT, TCU, BU, and Houston
East: UCF, USF, Cincy, and WVU
My assumpation is that csu goes to balance out BSU's weaker research tier status. Big 12 would kneecap the AAC & MWC and be clearly the 5th best conference.
I used to think that csu could threaten CU's status as being the lone P5 school in CO but that ship sailed once OU & UT announced their SEC move. The only way csu goes P5 is if they join the P12 which isn't happening.
This is about money though and the service academies bring that.
Best one for sure. It could trigger a massive G5/FCS realignment.
What's good for our future military officers if they always get beat up in athletic competition? It's not just about money in that situation.
A Jalapeño wet dream!
K. Was that Oregon’s excuse for the Bowl Game blow out against, wait for it, Iowa State? Iowa State is a joke, remember? Everyone is saying it.
Iowa State 34-17 Oregon (Jan 2, 2021) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Iowa State Cyclones vs. Oregon Ducks NCAAF game, final score 34-17, from January 2, 2021 on ESPN.