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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025

Buffnik said:
They would still play every year.

And what's to say that the B1G looking basketball doesn't mean: KU, UVA, GA Tech, Pitt, UNC & Duke? All AAU, takes the conference to 20, and expands markets tremendously.
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That would drive SEC to maybe go FSU, Miami, Clemson & VA Tech?

Pac to 20 with: BSU, UNLV, TTU, TCU, UH & OSU maybe?
 
MCskid said:
PAC needs to go big and bold and add 10 teams from the ACC plus Houston and TCU. Change the name to Pacific Atlantic Conference, every time zone and the biggest states, CA, TX, FL and NY.
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I can agree with this to a point, the window has/is closing
TCU, Houston & SMU would be a great haul.
If being bold means creating something that doesn't exist.
Pull a West/Midwest G5 into the fold as a whole as if it's the "minor league" of the P12?
It becomes the feeder with a coop between the two...transferring grades etc. appeasing the acadamia.
Added revenue via TV expanding the foot print in viewership and recruiting
The PAC should own everything West of the Miss < go big or go home.
 
hokiehead said:
I've posted before, but equal size has never been a driver in expansion before. I don't see why it would be now.
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True. But I think there's a bit of dick measuring at play.

Anyway, what did drive before was 12 with 2 divisions being the NCAA minimum to have a conference championship game.

Once they agree on a minimum for a semifinal round, that will set expansion levels. It will likely either be 16 with 2 divisions of 8 (or 4 pods of 4) as the minimum or 20 with 2 of 10 (or 4 of 5) as the minimum is my guess. My further guess is 16 minimum to avoid forcing a ton of poaching.
 
Buffnik said:
True. But I think there's a bit of dick measuring at play.

Anyway, what did drive before was 12 with 2 divisions being the NCAA minimum to have a conference championship game.

Once they agree on a minimum for a semifinal round, that will set expansion levels. It will likely either be 16 with 2 divisions of 8 (or 4 pods of 4) as the minimum or 20 with 2 of 10 (or 4 of 5) as the minimum is my guess. My further guess is 16 minimum to avoid forcing a ton of poaching.
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Money is going to outweigh dick play in the end, UT & OU are good examples.
 
Buffnik said:
That would drive SEC to maybe go FSU, Miami, Clemson & VA Tech?

Pac to 20 with: BSU, UNLV, TTU, TCU, UH & OSU maybe?
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If expansion goes crazy and UNC and UVA did leave the ACC I think the SEC would invite NC State and VT.

But I don't see UNC leaving the ACC
 
CarolinaBuff said:
If expansion goes crazy and UNC and UVA did leave the ACC I think the SEC would invite NC State and VT.

But I don't see UNC leaving the ACC
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They love the dominant position they have in the ACC, but the ACC is not the conference of the 70s that had the long road trip as SC to MD. Just like UT recently leaving the Big 12, UNC could run the same exact calculus of political dominance, tradition & local/regional/politics... and come to the conclusion that the money, recruiting & long-term status is better served by leaving.
 
Buffnik said:
They love the dominant position they have in the ACC, but the ACC is not the conference of the 70s that had the long road trip as SC to MD.
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No doubt it was the most regional of conferences back then and even GT joining in '79 didn't spread the footprint much. I think UNC likes their situation in the ACC and they know if they left the conference it could fall apart in a hurry. The ACC is banking that ND will join in the coming years and if/when that happens the conference will be on very solid financial ground.
 
ACC would be greatly helped if FSU came back to close to what they were under Bobby Bowden. Even more than Clemson Florida State was a national brand on TV all the time and rolling up big scores against top 25 teams. They were an image
 
MtnBuff said:
ACC would be greatly helped if FSU came back to close to what they were under Bobby Bowden. Even more than Clemson Florida State was a national brand on TV all the time and rolling up big scores against top 25 teams. They were an image
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I have trouble figuring out why the bottom fell out on Jimbo and why they don't seem able to recover. It's not like Miami where there were burdensome NCAA penalties and the standard operating procedure changed in a way that was bad for football... and they've fallen much further than the Canes.
 
Buffnik said:
I have trouble figuring out why the bottom fell out on Jimbo and why they don't seem able to recover. It's not like Miami where there were burdensome NCAA penalties and the standard operating procedure changed in a way that was bad for football... and they've fallen much further than the Canes.
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In some ways they parallel Nebraska. Programs that for an extended period of time were among the nations elite.

They had superior athletes, top kids wanted to play there, opponents were intimidated by their talent.

FSU like Nebraska was always known as a less than clean program, the Free Shoes University tag wasn't just jealousy.

Have to wonder if their cheating hasn't been able to keep up. Florida is back near the top, Miami is coming back, Georgia is harvesting talent out of Florida as is Alabama and Ohio State and a bunch of other schools.

Did they drop back or did they just not keep up?
 
MtnBuff said:
In some ways they parallel ****braska. Programs that for an extended period of time were among the nations elite.

They had superior athletes, top kids wanted to play there, opponents were intimidated by their talent.

FSU like ****braska was always known as a less than clean program, the Free Shoes University tag wasn't just jealousy.

Have to wonder if their cheating hasn't been able to keep up. Florida is back near the top, Miami is coming back, Georgia is harvesting talent out of Florida as is Alabama and Ohio State and a bunch of other schools.

Did they drop back or did they just not keep up?
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Doesn't explain being worse than Duke & Wake.
 
Buffnik said:
Doesn't explain being worse than Duke & Wake.
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No it doesn't, it is as if the entire structure of the program has collapsed from inside itself.

it isn't as if they have fallen back to average, they have gotten bad.
 
Conference USA executives sent a letter Tuesday, which can be read here, to their brethren at the American Athletic Conference asking them to consider a regionalization model to reorganize the two leagues, sources tell Sports Illustrated.

The proposal, originating from C-USA commissioner Judy MacLeod, would require the conferences to remake themselves based on geography, creating two new leagues under different names. C-USA presidents met Monday to approve the decision to reach out to the AAC, seen as the next step in what’s been a weekslong process of drafting reorganization models.
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When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."
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I do believe that increased regionality of conferences is the path that would work best for college football.

It's not the NFL where national television drives the product.

College is distinguished by the pageantry. Rivalries. Student sections. Marching bands. Alumni & faculty. Parades & rallies the night before games. Road trips. Traditions.

Without those things, college football becomes a sterile product with less talent on display than the NFL alternative.

So the impetus needs to enhance the things that make the product special. It's bad business to sell out and become generic for short-term profits -- particularly when you're talking about non-profit businesses.

More regionality, please.
 
Buffnik said:
They love the dominant position they have in the ACC, but the ACC is not the conference of the 70s that had the long road trip as SC to MD. Just like UT recently leaving the Big 12, UNC could run the same exact calculus of political dominance, tradition & local/regional/politics... and come to the conclusion that the money, recruiting & long-term status is better served by leaving.
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Yes, but good god their travel schedule would get a LOT more burdensome if they went to the B1G. They would go from having 3 conference mates within an hour drive, 4 more within a 4 hour drive, and every other school in the conference save 5 (BC, ND, Miami, Syracuse, and Louisville) like a 1.5 hour plane flight away to having 0 within any sort of driving distance and only a few (Rutgers, MD, PSU) within a 1.5 hour flight
 
Denver_sc said:
Yes, but good god their travel schedule would get a LOT more burdensome if they went to the B1G. They would go from having 3 conference mates within an hour drive, 4 more within a 4 hour drive, and every other school in the conference save 5 (BC, ND, Miami, Syracuse, and Louisville) like a 1.5 hour plane flight away to having 0 within any sort of driving distance and only a few (Rutgers, MD, PSU) within a 1.5 hour flight
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Yep. Unless the B1G went to 18 or 20 & brought both Duke and UVA.

Pp.S. I kind of like 18, fwiw. Two divisions of 9 that play each other every year.
 
Buffnik said:
I do believe that increased regionality of conferences is the path that would work best for college football.

It's not the NFL where national television drives the product.

College is distinguished by the pageantry. Rivalries. Student sections. Marching bands. Alumni & faculty. Parades & rallies the night before games. Road trips. Traditions.

Without those things, college football becomes a sterile product with less talent on display than the NFL alternative.

So the impetus needs to enhance the things that make the product special. It's bad business to sell out and become generic for short-term profits -- particularly when you're talking about non-profit businesses.

More regionality, please.
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So, CU to the MWC then?
 
If I’m being honest, being in the same conference with CSU, Utah, BYU, Wyo, AF, Boise, UA, ASU, UNM and UNLV wouldn’t be terrible. I realize the money generated for that conference would suck, and we would have zero chance at any kind of National exposure, but from a purely fan perspective, it would be ok.
 
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