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Other Games 11/19 - 11/23

MtnBuff said:
Ohio State still is better on the LOS. Difference is that this Ohio State team is not close to as explosive as prior Buckeye teams have been. Will Howard isn't the playmaker at QB and they have fewer explosive weapons than recent teams.

Their defense has looked very good but part of that is that they have played mostly teams with pathetic offenses.

Not always the best measure but head to against the same teams Indiana has been more dominant.

Concern is that Indiana hasn't played in a lot of these high stakes games while tOSU has been on a regular basis. Winning under pressure is different.

I'd prefer to see the Hoosiers win and I think they are talented enough but if forced to pick a winner I'd go with Ohio State this time.
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Who’s got a better chance to beat Oregon?
 
SuperD said:
I mean…who doesn’t want a Georgia UMass game in late November?
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So interesting revelation for me - my daughter came home from school (SEC) on Thursday for thanksgiving break. I’m thinking most of the SEC is doing that and the stadiums are going to be empty of students this week, so it sorta makes sense (among padding sked and avoiding injuries).
I know next weekend will be empty as well, but tradition trumps that with rivalries.
 
hokiehead said:
Realize I have a rep of shïtting on the CFP, but I 100% think that's the reason there's less relevant late season games than in the past.

Simple math.

When the goal was a conference championship and there were 20+ D1 conferences, you had 2-3 teams in each in contention, making around 40-50 teams still in contention for "the goal".

Now "the goal" is the CFP, and there's maybe 16-20 teams in contention for 12 spots.
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That's a weird premise. How does the CFP replacing the NY6 change the value of conference championships for teams not seeking an NY6 or CFP spot?

The 20+ D1 conferences had zero hope of playing for a title in the past so how does that affect what matters for them? Sure the number of conferences dropped a hair with the Pac 12 not really existing this year. But by meaningful for conference races standards, there's no reduction in games that "mean" something. The Oregon St / Washington St game this week means a whole lot more than it otherwise would, if you accept the premise that lower level conference championships matter.

Tulane and Army have already clinched a CCG matchup, but now their games mean 2x as much because there's a shot they get into the CFP, which I think means more than the shot at a NY6 bowl they would have otherwise been playing to preserve this weekend. Same goes for Boise.

You've got 7 Sun Belt teams alive in their divisions hoping for a CCG opportunity, none of them would be sniffing a NY6 bowl last year, and aren't sniffing a CFP spot this year. Would it have meant more last year somehow?

Miami's game against Wake would only be for a prayer of absolute chaos to get them a CFP spot, now it means a little more. Not a great game, but the downside is bigger for an upset and does mean more. Lather rinse, repeat for the games all the 2-loss SEC teams are playing against conference foes.

Georgia Tech vs. Georgia gives the Yellow Jackets a chance to spoil a CFP bid for their rival, that wouldn't have existed last year.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
They got it right with Army being ranked at 19 given their schedule but Boise's wins are hardly any better. And yes they played Oregon but your best data point can't be a loss
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Penn State would beg to differ.
 
BuffWarHog said:
Who’s got a better chance to beat Oregon?
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That's a very good question.

This Ohio State team is not the Buckeyes team we have seen when they are at their best. Will Howard has big stats but doesn't impress me as much as some earlier tOSU QBs have, they have very talented WRs and RBs but again not the superstar level. Their DBs get burned a lot which isn't a good thing against Oregon.

Buckeyes have a lot of very good players but I don't see great, Indiana has to prove though that they can play at this level.

Oregon would probably be favored over both of them.
 
Robert Sorell said:
That's a weird premise. How does the CFP replacing the NY6 change the value of conference championships for teams not seeking an NY6 or CFP spot?

The 20+ D1 conferences had zero hope of playing for a title in the past so how does that affect what matters for them? Sure the number of conferences dropped a hair with the Pac 12 not really existing this year. But by meaningful for conference races standards, there's no reduction in games that "mean" something. The Oregon St / Washington St game this week means a whole lot more than it otherwise would, if you accept the premise that lower level conference championships matter.

Tulane and Army have already clinched a CCG matchup, but now their games mean 2x as much because there's a shot they get into the CFP, which I think means more than the shot at a NY6 bowl they would have otherwise been playing to preserve this weekend. Same goes for Boise.

You've got 7 Sun Belt teams alive in their divisions hoping for a CCG opportunity, none of them would be sniffing a NY6 bowl last year, and aren't sniffing a CFP spot this year. Would it have meant more last year somehow?

Miami's game against Wake would only be for a prayer of absolute chaos to get them a CFP spot, now it means a little more. Not a great game, but the downside is bigger for an upset and does mean more. Lather rinse, repeat for the games all the 2-loss SEC teams are playing against conference foes.

Georgia Tech vs. Georgia gives the Yellow Jackets a chance to spoil a CFP bid for their rival, that wouldn't have existed last year.
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I don't think the CFP replaced the NY6 as "the meaningful objective teams played for". Rather, prior to organized attempts at naming a consensus NC (it started earlier, but the Bowl Alliance is good line to draw), the meaningful objective teams played for was a conference championship.

My contention is that in the playoff era conference championships have lost most of their relevance.

Nothing to do with NY6 or any bowl games.. honestly, I don't think bowls have been very relevant over my life as a fan (I guess for G5 teams they had more relevance over last few decades than they did for P5 teams).

I realize I have a minority opinion here, and am not trying to persuade others to my perspective.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
They got it right with Army being ranked at 19 given their schedule but Boise's wins are hardly any better. And yes they played Oregon but your best data point can't be a loss
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Oregon only beat Idaho (iirc) by 10 the week before BSU. They hadn't gelled yet at the start of the season.
 
Buffnik said:
Oregon only beat Idaho (iirc) by 10 the week before BSU. They hadn't gelled yet at the start of the season.
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With the kind of roster turnover we are seeing with the portal now this may become much more common. CU hadn't gelled eary either.

College teams have always needed a few early weeks to get together since there aren't pre-season games.

Oregon is a much different team now than it was early.
 
Anybody watching this Claiborne kid from Wake Forest just tearing it up, including a 100 yard return?

What a freaking stud, he is a Junior, wondering if he goes pro, or maybe.....enters the portal :unsure:

We have some good backs, but a super stud Senior RB would be sweet

EDIT: Cam Ward trying to lose his Heisman chances, that was dumb
 
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CarolinaBuff said:
They got it right with Army being ranked at 19 given their schedule but Boise's wins are hardly any better. And yes they played Oregon but your best data point can't be a loss
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Yet that's exactly why they're ranked where they are. Kind of embarrassing for the committee.

I'm not saying that the Big 12 champ would necessarily fare much better in a 4/5 game, but Boise would absolutely get demolished by the highest ranked non-champ.
 
Alfred91 said:
Indiana needs to give their defense a break or it might get ugly.

Whelp.
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Indiana is a really good "team" but they don't have the individual athletes that Ohio State has. Somehow IU needs to get momentum back or you will be right.

Plays like that INT help but they need to figure out how to sustain a drive and score points.
 
What a stupid decision by the OSU QB. Threw into traffic short of the sticks inside the red zone. Why?
 
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