Other games 11/28 - 11/30

[MtnBuff]

This is such bull****. KU turned the ball over, dropped passes, and fell behind ****bailer to the point to where they couldn't run the ball and dominate the clock the way they did with us.

If KU executed in the first quarter against us the way they did against ****bailer, we're in the CCG. If they executed the way against ****bailer the way they did against us, KU is going bowling.

Fact is though that we didn'tstop KU from executing the way they did against us.

We knew exactly what they wanted to do, we knew exactly the game meant, and we didn't make it happen.

In order to be a champion a team has to learn how to win the games that they have to win. We haven't yet.

Wouldna, coulda, shoulda makes for good discussion but until you actually accomplish something it's nothing but talk.

We can make all the arguments we want, other teams have earned it.

 

[Medford M.]

This is such bull****. KU turned the ball over, dropped passes, and fell behind ****bailer to the point to where they couldn't run the ball and dominate the clock the way they did with us.

If KU executed in the first quarter against us the way they did against ****bailer, we're in the CCG. If they executed the way against ****bailer the way they did against us, KU is going bowling.

I think it's real simple as to why you can't use the Oregon game as a barometer for how good Boise is. The Transit ve property doesn't work, and wek one games are not indicative of a teams ability.

Hell, using the transitive property, Baylor beat Kansas by four scores, Colorado beat Baylor, therefore Colorado is 4 or 5 scores better than Kansas. Well we know what happened.

 

[Medford M.]

Fact is though that we didn'tstop KU from executing the way they did against us.

We knew exactly what they wanted to do, we knew exactly the game meant, and we didn't make it happen.

In order to be a champion a team has to learn how to win the games that they have to win. We haven't yet.

Wouldna, coulda, shoulda makes for good discussion but until you actually accomplish something it's nothing but talk.

We can make all the arguments we want, other teams have earned it.

I'm confused...do you and Jens think people are trying to argue that Colorado belongs in the playoff?

No one is saying that. We're saying Boise is objectively worse than Colorado.

 

[Da Lama]

I'm pretty convinced that very few of you actually watched Boise State games this year.

They are decent on offense and awful on defense, especially the passing defense. Colorado would be a very bad match up for them.

And I'm saying this as a guy who thinks we don't belong to PO.

This. I watched quite a few for Heisman hate watch purposes. The MWC is an FCS conference this year if you excluded Boise State and UNLV. If 3-4 teams were just marginally better this year, Boise would have 3 losses.

 

[Da Lama]

I've seen a number of their games. They aren't great but they are much better than you give them credit for. They have a history, both recent and long, of stepping up to play well against power conference competition. Meanwhile what has our team, or the rest of the current B12, done to show that they should be taken seriously in high stakes games.

Again, for the cheap seats -> 8 teams in our mid P5 conference would beat Boise right now. EIGHT. ACHT. OCHO.

 

[mccoy86]

I'm confused...do you and Jens think people are trying to argue that Colorado belongs in the playoff?

No one is saying that. We're saying Boise is objectively worse than Colorado.

I’m not even saying that we deserve to be in the playoff over Boise State. They won their games, we didn’t, and the new playoff format gives chances to teams that win their conferences and have good records.

But they are not a great team, they played in a bad conference, and a good running back who put up incredible numbers because he played in that bad conference should not be in the same conversation as Travis.

 

[MtnBuff]

I'm confused...do you and Jens think people are trying to argue that Colorado belongs in the playoff?

No one is saying that. We're saying Boise is objectively worse than Colorado.

Not going to speak for Jens.

Arguing that against the top teams in the country we would get solidly beaten.

Also saying that while Boise is not one of those top teams they have proven over the years that they can get up and compete, at least on an individual game basis, againt top teams, something we have yet to do.

Do I think we are better than Boise? Yes. Do I think it would be safe for us to assume we would beat them head to head? Absolutely not. We should beat them but we aren't that great a team yet and it would be foolish to assume we would win. Favored yes, a lock, far from it.

 

[Medford M.]

Not going to speak for Jens.

Arguing that against the top teams in the country we would get solidly beaten.

Also saying that while Boise is not one of those top teams they have proven over the years that they can get up and compete, at least on an individual game basis, againt top teams, something we have yet to do.

Do I think we are better than Boise? Yes. Do I think it would be safe for us to assume we would beat them head to head? Absolutely not. We should beat them but we aren't that great a team yet and it would be foolish to assume we would win. Favored yes, a lock, far from it.

Is their QB a running threat?

If he's not, then I'd be extremely comfortable saying we'd beat them by two scores.

Since the first half of the Nebraska game, Colorado has completely dominated offenses that don't have a running threat at QB.

 

[MtnBuff]

Is their QB a running threat?

If he's not, then I'd be extremely comfortable saying we'd beat them by two scores.

Since the first half of the Nebraska game, Colorado has completely dominated offenses that don't have a running threat at QB.

He hasn't run a lot but been effective when he does.

He is also very good at hitting the mid-range crosses and slants off play action. Something that we have not been able to defend for years.

Again as stated before they are very well coached. We have better talent overall but they do a better job using what they have.

They also show up when the pressure is on, when it is a big game. They tend to overperform when the game is high stakes, play down to bad teams.

As I said I would expect us to beat them but I certainly wouldn't put my life savings on it. They have beaten many teams over the years that should have been better than them.

 

[Medford M.]

I was just looking at this week's Top 25, and I think there's 16 teams I'd give us a shot against or I'd feel outright comfortable that we'd beat.

 

[cnbuff410]

He is also very good at hitting the mid-range crosses and slants off play action. Something that we have not been able to defend for years.

I think you spent too much time watching our tape last year.

This is 2024.

 

[MtnBuff]

I was just looking at this week's Top 25, and I think there's 16 teams I'd give us a shot against or I'd feel outright comfortable that we'd beat.

Let's beat Kansas first.

 

[Jens1893]

I'm confused...do you and Jens think people are trying to argue that Colorado belongs in the playoff?

No one is saying that. We're saying Boise is objectively worse than Colorado.

There’s a difference between “being objectively worse” and one “destroying” the other aka Colorado against Okie State or Indiana against Purdue.

 

[FLounda]

There’s a difference between “being objectively worse” and one “destroying” the other aka Colorado against Okie State or Indiana against Purdue.

Only one player from BSU would start for us

KSU, KU both had multiple players that would start and also rotate in for us.

Let’s be real


Boise is CHEEKS

 

[BuffLuke80]

Ohio State . Maybe you should've used the same energy playing the fvcking football game as you did in your post game brawl. Meechigan owns your ass the last 4 years.

 

[hokiehead]

cop that pepper spayed indiscriminately into the faces of coaches and other cops...

this is America -- how could this happen?

also, arizona sucks ass.

this ****ing conference we landed in is going to **** up a good season for our Buffs. sec is balanced but we are all mediocre?

Serious question, what's a cop supposed to do?

150 players brawling. Any one of them is probably big enough to destroy the cop in hand to hand fighting.

Cops outnumbered probably close to 20:1.

Letting the fight go on doesn't seem like responsible law enforcement. Using deadly force doesn't seem right.

I legit have no idea what the proper response of an severely disadvantaged officer should be in that situation.

 

[Jens1893]

Serious question, what's a cop supposed to do?

150 players brawling. Any one of them is probably big enough to destroy the cop in hand to hand fighting.

Cops outnumbered probably close to 20:1.

Letting the fight go on doesn't seem like responsible law enforcement. Using deadly force doesn't seem right.

I legit have no idea what the proper response of an severely disadvantaged officer should be in that situation.

randomly using pepper spray when theres a crowd of like 150-200 is irresponsible as you never know who youre gonna hit ... what if one of the coaches, reporters or someone who is trying to separate the players has asthma or other pulmonary issues? pepper spray can be lethal to those people.

and if youre that disadvantaged in the first place, why get involved at all? a cop is never deescalating anything in that situation, the only people who can get through to people who lost their heads there are their teammates or coaches. theyll sort it out among themselves.

 

[MtnBuff]

randomly using pepper spray when theres a crowd of like 150-200 is irresponsible as you never know who youre gonna hit ... and if youre that disadvantaged in the first place, why get involved at all? a cop is never deescalating anything in that situation, the only people who can get through to people who lost their heads there are their teammates or coaches. theyll sort it out among themselves.

Some validity to this.

The players are fighting other players. There are camera people and reporters but they should be smart enough to get out of the way.

A better move by the cops would be to form a perimeter to try to keep idiots from joining. Then let the coaches and the team leaders sort it out. There were players actively separating the combatants and most emotionally charged individuals

It is just as likely that the cops getting into the mix and pepper spraying elevated emotions and made things worse.

 

[Liver]

they randomly sprayed into the crowd and hit all kinds of innocent people. cops are not supposed to indiscriminately use force.

also, the cops are in body armor too. they are held to a higher standard than "oh ****. these guys are big so I am going to spray pepper spray around me so that my personal space feels better to me."

learnings from this, I think, are: make it a huge fine to plant a flag on the opponent's logo. and, make sure you have enough LE on site to successfully create a barrier between the 2 teams.

 

[BuffWarHog]

I am sure we would destroy a team that lost to the #1 team in the nation by a FG.

The same #1 team that squeaked it out against Idaho? Or the same Boise team that squeaked it out against Nevada and Wyoming.
Not sure their results against Oregon are a good barometer.

 

[Alfred91]

The same #1 team that squeaked it out against Idaho? Or the same Boise team that squeaked it out against Nevada and Wyoming.
Not sure their results against Oregon are a good barometer.

Yeah, Oregon was obviously still figuring things out at the start of the season. I don't think an Oregon/Boise matchup would be the same now. Although there's a chance we might find out, if Boise holds on to the 4 seed and Penn State beats Oregon in the Big Ten CCG.

 

[Agent Dave Kujan]

Serious question, what's a cop supposed to do?

150 players brawling. Any one of them is probably big enough to destroy the cop in hand to hand fighting.

Cops outnumbered probably close to 20:1.

Letting the fight go on doesn't seem like responsible law enforcement. Using deadly force doesn't seem right.

I legit have no idea what the proper response of a severely disadvantaged officer should be in that situation.

I would be napen em with pepper spray.

 

[rosstr]

randomly using pepper spray when theres a crowd of like 150-200 is irresponsible as you never know who youre gonna hit ... what if one of the coaches, reporters or someone who is trying to separate the players has asthma or other pulmonary issues? pepper spray can be lethal to those people.

and if youre that disadvantaged in the first place, why get involved at all? a cop is never deescalating anything in that situation, the only people who can get through to people who lost their heads there are their teammates or coaches. theyll sort it out among themselves.

Haha. Jens, I’ll put you in charge of taking an accurate and detailed medical history and getting written informed consent from 150 people in a brawl. Lol. Moron

 

[Buffnik]

they randomly sprayed into the crowd and hit all kinds of innocent people. cops are not supposed to indiscriminately use force.

also, the cops are in body armor too. they are held to a higher standard than "oh ****. these guys are big so I am going to spray pepper spray around me so that my personal space feels better to me."

learnings from this, I think, are: make it a huge fine to plant a flag on the opponent's logo. and, make sure you have enough LE on site to successfully create a barrier between the 2 teams.

They have to eliminate the flag planting. It caused fights after at least 3 games this week.

 

[Jens1893]

They have to eliminate the flag planting. It caused fights after at least 3 games this week.

If they ban the flag planting they’ll find new ways to provoke the other team. Coaches need to find a way to get the point across to the players that they cannot senselessly provoke the other team in victory and that you can win without being a bunch of jackasses about it.

 

[Buffnik]

If they ban the flag planting they’ll find new ways to provoke the other team. Coaches need to find a way to get the point across to the players that they cannot senselessly provoke the other team in victory and that you can win without being a bunch of jackasses about it.

You do both.

Specific things can be banned specifically with whatever penalties and fines.

Other things (like brawls during warmups or in the tunnel), you can maybe adjust some logistics to decrease likelihood but the main thing is covering generally with penalties and fines.

 

[BuffLuke80]

Serious question, what's a cop supposed to do?

150 players brawling. Any one of them is probably big enough to destroy the cop in hand to hand fighting.

Cops outnumbered probably close to 20:1.

Letting the fight go on doesn't seem like responsible law enforcement. Using deadly force doesn't seem right.

I legit have no idea what the proper response of an severely disadvantaged officer should be in that situation.

The easy answer is Blowhio State to show up. That bullshvt wouldn't have happened if they kicked Meechigan's ass. Don't forget they played at home.

 

[Bread]

They have to eliminate the flag planting. It caused fights after at least 3 games this week.

Honestly I don’t mind the flag planting. I think it keeps up the college aspect of it, these are just kids at the end of the day.

If you don’t want them planting a flag on your field, win the game.

Outside of the pepper spray, I don’t think anyone was hurt. The pepper spray shouldn’t have been brought out, that was a fault on the cops side (shocker).

 

[Buffnik]

Honestly I don’t mind the flag planting. I think it keeps up the college aspect of it, these are just kids at the end of the day.

If you don’t want them planting a flag on your field, win the game.

Outside of the pepper spray, I don’t think anyone was hurt. The pepper spray shouldn’t have been brought out, that was a fault on the cops side (shocker).

Yes. But as much as I agree with "if you don't want it to happen, don't lose" I can tell you that I would have tried to stop a rival from planting their flag on my field. I also believe most coaches I played for would have been more upset if I stood there and allowed it than if I'd gotten into a fight preventing it. This won't get solved by allowing teams to police themselves.

 

[Medford M.]

Scuffles are good for the sport. Shows these kids still care.

Just have to make sure all out brawls don't ensue and guys don't get hurt in said scuffles.