If Zeus hadn't taken his sweet ass time to get off the court, this wouldn't even be an issue.
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Post Arizona @ CU Game thread (Relevant)
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Deleted member 807
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The Sundevils are wise to brace for their upcoming court storming in Boulder.
I can understand why getting stormed 11/13 road losses would be extremely frustrating for the Cat fans and Miller. I do. And if some drunk Buff fans comes out of the stands, steps up to Zeus and takes a swing at him in the middle of the floor, I hope he decks the little prick. And they should have a better collection of security to help escort the team than 70 year old volunteers. That can & should be fixed.
However, if a 5'7", hundred & nothing lb. freshman fan comes careening by a player and accidentally bumps into him, and the reaction is: 1) the player coldcocks him, and 2) the coach justifies it; then you have what I'd refer to as an 'institutional control' issue.
However, if a 5'7", hundred & nothing lb. freshman fan comes careening by a player and accidentally bumps into him, and the reaction is: 1) the player coldcocks him, and 2) the coach justifies it; then you have what I'd refer to as an 'institutional control' issue.
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99'Buff
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And yet, after that 'god awful' officiating in the 1st half that was so obviously biased against the poor cats, CU still ended up being called for more fouls in the game. The officiating was classic Pac-12 level: extremely inconsistent, tons of missed calls, random ticky-tack calls, reviews of calls that had no reason being wrong in the first place, etc.
Arizona didn't receive all the bad calls by any means. Just look at the last few minutes of the game. Collier bodied and hit on his right hand by Zeus, then pushed in the gut. Nothing called, except a correct reversal giving the ball to UA, since it did hit Collier on the way out. How about Wes getting hacked by 3 guys at center court with just under a minute, when it almost looked like UA was trying to foul? Tell me how many hacks Scott took before the traveling call near the end? How about the floor scramble where the guy on the floor only traveled about 3 times?
That's just the last few minutes. I won't even get into the Trier travel-fest or Ristic 'walking screens'. CU got plenty of breaks as well: the 2 continuation plays for UA that were waived off, the non-call on the steal that led to King's breakaway, etc. The officiating sucked as usual, but it didn't favor either team.
As far as officiating, it was bad. There were long stretches of letting the teams play and then all of a sudden the refs would decide to call things tight for a couple minutes. CU didn't get home cooking, because it was Arizona and UA has earned the status of getting equal treatment to home teams. Refs allowed them to play very aggressive on defense in the 2nd half, with not putting the Buffs into the bonus for a long time after UA was already shooting (8 minutes?). I'm actually fine with that. I want to see the Buffs earn that status.
99'Buff
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I agree that it was nice to see the officials let both teams play aggressive defense for the most part. Part of the reason the game intensity remained high was due to the lack of foul calls. If only the refs could be consistent and call the entire game that way. I can't imagine how difficult it is for Pac-12 players and coaches to game plan, given the inconsistency in what constitutes a foul from game to game and within each game as well.
I'm all for storming the field/court, but yes, it's a low point when you're part of storming the field against a 4-8 Iowa State team. I guess the real low point was Montana State that year.
Deleted member 807
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I don't like where this thread is heading.
My favorite storming the field moment was in Lincoln, NE in 1990.
I vividly recall grinding my foot on the N painted on that wet AstroTurf.
27-12 is right there with 62-36 in my book of stormed fields.
My favorite storming the field moment was in Lincoln, NE in 1990.
I vividly recall grinding my foot on the N painted on that wet AstroTurf.
27-12 is right there with 62-36 in my book of stormed fields.
dply
Doble hoja
Exactly, relativity. I'm still mad that Sonny Lubick did that timeout before the field goal that took away Crosby's record. The field rushings were the only thing to be happy about that year. Sad, maybe, but I don't care what other fanbases think of me or us so who cares.
If college sports become as sterile as pro sports why watch college? I love the player fan interaction in college. That's what is special. Slowly erode that like Sean Miller wants and now there is nothing special about it. **** that ****.
dyemeduke
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In spite of previous comments that may infer the opposite, I'm all for storming the field/court; I just think it's overdone by us. No, there is no logical method to determine when this should be done - it's all personal conjecture. To each their own. However, when this issue moves from personal conjecture to trying to logically legislate court storming, I'm definitely against the idea. Students should be allowed to demonstrate passion, including peacefully storming the court in a rush of passion and joy. I am therefore not in favor of trying to either ban all storming or even having the additional measures commonly discussed (e.g. extra security, time to remove players from court, etc). Storming the court to revel with the players is an organic thing, and are games going to be paused with a second left? I remember rushing the field as a student well before time officially hit 0:00 after 62-36. A friend got tackled by security and then let go as he saw the waves behind him. What's a line of security going to do against hundreds of college kids (mostly male, and some with some mass to them) full of energy? Let them storm the court, and prepare the players to get out of the way. I guess you can have more cameras around, and if a stupid student aggressively interacts with an opposing player (either physically or verbally), suspend that student. But let's not try to preemptively enforce procedures to prevent something that essentially is nonexistent, specifically a fight between the opposing team and fans.
Hey what you think about Grayson Allen dye? Think they will sit him a bit?
dyemeduke
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No. I do agree though that Grayson should be sat, because while not quite stomping on someone's chest, it is...just cheap. Not that it matters too much, but he did try to help the guy up and offered a hand this last time around ...not necessarily in apology, but...something that might be worth nothing... Grayson does seem like a decent kid though, not an ass like Laettner. Both are very competitive though, just like Chris Paul, Garnett, and others that do cheap things on the court. If Allen did something detrimental to the team though or started acting selfishly... ...K would sit him.
I agree, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I think K will tell him don't ever do it again. The ACC is looking at it too so I heard.
bellamatt
New Member
11 out of 13 road loses, 11/13. 84%.
Got to ask then... why is Miller not doing more to make sure his guys get out of there? These should be pros at it by now. instead you have zeus sticking around and looking for a fight. Seems suspicious.
Maybe you shouldn't be so good then if people rushing the court makes you guys that upset.
bellamatt
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What happened a few years ago wasnt a cut and dry situation like the head of officiating putting a bounty on the coach, what happened in that game has probably taken place 50+ times in college basketball since that game. Dont act like that is the same thing at all.
Actually, a team winning the game on a last second shot, but then having it reversed on no evidence - or even contrary evidence - has happened just once since that day. And it was worse. And it was by the same crew.
CONSPIRACY?
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bellamatt
New Member
i specifically said the refs were 1 sided in the first half. you are looking at the whole game.
They were one sided in both halves, actually. They just switched sides.
bellamatt
New Member
Someone edited my post to add that last line. Maybe thats part of the problem, i come here and dont attack or put your fan base down in the slightest and someone edits my post to try to make me look like a douche. Then "Your fans sounds like Patriot fans" is said.
To be fair, I think someone was just bad at quoting.
bellamatt
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I agree with that, after York didn't even touch the CU player and got called for a foul, miller said "What was that" got a T and then said "good" then we tossed his water bottle in disbelief. you guys honestly cant say that he is a whiny bitch for acting like that. its funny how most people cant have a realistic view of what happened. its like no one has ever watched a college basketball game before.
dply
Doble hoja
Careful, I think there are people in the bushes outside your house. Also, every white car you see is a government spy keeping tabs on you.
bellamatt
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obviously "dply" has nothing to offer.
That sequence isn't why we call him a whiny bitch. We call him that because he is. Coach K is a whiny bitch. There are all kinds of whiny head coaches. That doesn't detract at all from the fact he is a good coach. He just whines and pouts when he doesn't get his way. I have seen him lay on the scorer's table and pound on it with both fists during a game in Boulder before when a call went against the Cats.
Good coach, but he fuels the home crowds with his antics. Especially when his team is losing.
He provides koala pics.