Predictions for RMS

[dply]

I came here to negrep people, but kept going through the pages waiting for something even better to negrep, and it never really happened. To get my fix I'll just start going up the page from here. Sorry, dply and others.

:lol:

 

[sackman]

They are if they started multiple years before being injured.

Caprioglio has been a 3 year starter before he tore his ACL last year

So are you also counting the guy who replaced him as a returning starter? In effect, you have two returning starters at the same position.

 

[Dark Bohner]

You are the definition of fan my friend. A true fanatic and CSewe could use a few more. You are delusional, but a true fan.

I can take a little delusion, but this guy is either outright ignorant or just yanking our chain. CSU swimming in cash? You have the lowest revenue AD in the Mountain West. Fact. You are in a conference with a media deal that Colorado alone in the Pac 12 will eclipse annually. Fact. You are paying new coaches, coaching search expenses, new AD staff, etc. BCS type salaries that CSU revenue simply CANNOT sustain without private donations. Why do you think no other schools in similar level revenue conferences aren't paying these types of salaries? Plus on top of all of this extravagant spending, you want a privately funded stadium that will cost in the neighborhood of a quarter of a billion dollars? Either CSU is going to pull the Boise State shooting for the moon scenario (statistically very unlikely), or crash and burn if all of that cash is spent and CSU is still relegated to a tier 2 level in college football (very likely). That fallout from the 2nd scenario will be fun as hell.

 

[MtnBuff]

If I recall right OMFGasm works in the AD as a student. I'm thinking he is fed the company line over and over.

This is about the only thing CSU can do so I don't blame them. They need to build up their AD to have a chance at the bigger money later. The problem is that if it fails, and I don't see why it won't, they will be royally screwed. Not just the AD but the school too.

Coach Sparkles will have to have 3 years of really good football teams to peak the interest of the boosters or else that money will dry up. LE is a great coach but even with the great MBB that the Rams had last year left attendance something to be desired.

I like OMFGasm. Like Buffalo Brad said he is a true fan. I can't fault him for ignoring the negatives.

Problem for CSU is that if he has even one or two good seasons he will be out of there faster than the CSU fans can spell "minor bowl game." McElwain has been at Alabama and Mich State. He knows what big-time college football is and knows he isn't in it. If schools come calling with contracts higher than CSU makes from their media package he will be gone in a flash. On the other hand if he fails, which considering the talent level he has to work with is a distinct possibility, with no attendance and the donors bored again with failure they will be stuck with him because they won't have the money to buy him out and hire a new coach.

 

[dply]

Problem for CSU is that if he has even one or two good seasons he will be out of there faster than the CSU fans can spell "minor bowl game." McElwain has been at Alabama and Mich State. He knows what big-time college football is and knows he isn't in it. If schools come calling with contracts higher than CSU makes from their media package he will be gone in a flash. On the other hand if he fails, which considering the talent level he has to work with is a distinct possibility, with no attendance and the donors bored again with failure they will be stuck with him because they won't have the money to buy him out and hire a new coach.

I have faith in their MBB coach to do well. I think Sparkles is going to crash and burn. Not many other schools were knocking down his door to hire him. Even CU passed. I thought he might be a good recruiter because of his ring but that has not really shown yet.

 

[dio]

I can take a little delusion, but this guy is either outright ignorant or just yanking our chain. CSU swimming in cash? You have the lowest revenue AD in the Mountain West. Fact. You are in a conference with a media deal that Colorado alone in the Pac 12 will eclipse annually. Fact. You are paying new coaches, coaching search expenses, new AD staff, etc. BCS type salaries that CSU revenue simply CANNOT sustain without private donations. Why do you think no other schools in similar level revenue conferences aren't paying these types of salaries? Plus on top of all of this extravagant spending, you want a privately funded stadium that will cost in the neighborhood of a quarter of a billion dollars? Either CSU is going to pull the Boise State shooting for the moon scenario (statistically very unlikely), or crash and burn if all of that cash is spent and CSU is still relegated to a tier 2 level in college football (very likely). That fallout from the 2nd scenario will be fun as hell.

Exactly. I get why they're excited. I even get, on some level, why they're trying to do what they're trying to do. It will be pretty magnificent if they pull it off, and they have one major bargaining chip working in their favor - the potential of the Denver TV market. That being said, if it fails then there will be a crater where the CSU AD used to reside. Bridges will have been burned with donors, with the community, with the legislature.... and the department will be a wreak financially and will have to make some drastic cuts.

 

[slider]

In the last 7 months CSU is down 600 k for buying out their AD, 500k for buying our Fairchild, 300k for hiring a new AD, 190k for hiring new AD's bitch, 250k for football search committee, 75k for basketball search committee, 20k for women's basketball committee, and around 1.5MM for higher coaches pay (FB, MBB, WBB.) Those #'s are all approximates/#'s from my limited knowledge. Being that CU has had less than 5 donations of over $1MM in our history, it appears CSU is borrowing pretty heavily

 

[Darth Snow]

Exactly. I get why they're excited. I even get, on some level, why they're trying to do what they're trying to do. It will be pretty magnificent if they pull it off, and they have one major bargaining chip working in their favor - the potential of the Denver TV market. That being said, if it fails then there will be a crater where the CSU AD used to reside. Bridges will have been burned with donors, with the community, with the legislature.... and the department will be a wreak financially and will have to make some drastic cuts.

Yup. no more div 1 status, comin right up!

 

[slider]

Fun fact, a ramnationer actually listed their VOLLEYBALL program as a reason they will get into the Pac-12:rofl:

 

[tante]

lets get some CSU facts on the table:

They are returning 37 of 22 starters
With their SEC coach, they now have SEC speed. Slowest guy on the team is a backup center and runs a 4.6 40
They have so much cash, all toilet paper rolls now dispense $100 bills
The new stadium will be considered the 8th wonder of the world
When the new stadium opens, U2 will headline a concert with The Rollings Stones and rumor is some Beatles are coming back from the dead to play there.
The new stadium will be the permanent site for the super bowl.

 

[OMFGasm]

CSU is floating in cash. You guys don't know Tony Frank. The Athletic Budget has been increased

 

[slider]

CSU is floating in cash. You guys don't know Tony Frank. The Athletic Budget has been increased

Unrelated pic but this came up when searching for the other pic and I thought it was funny

 

[slider]

CSU is floating in cash. You guys don't know Tony Frank. The Athletic Budget has been increased

Than why was CSU "too poor" to copy CU and send their students to the tourney? The money wasn't around 2 months ago?

 

[Darth Snow]

CSU is floating in cash. You guys don't know Tony Frank. The Athletic Budget has been increased

those are wonderfully general statements that don't discount a single thing we have said here. Please explain further or concede the point.

 

[Duff Man]

CSU is floating in cash. You guys don't know Tony Frank. The Athletic Budget has been increased

I really do not think you understand what we are saying. You guys can rely on donors for a while, but good luck in that working longterm if you guys do not get a significant boost in revenue (and it cannot just be from a new stadium). If it works, JG is a genius and everything you guys think he is. However, if five years from now, your TV revenue is still the same and one of the two big hires flops, good luck with the "we are swimming in cash" lines. Once you have to start correcting mistakes is when the **** hits the fan.

 

[dio]

CSU is floating in cash. You guys don't know Tony Frank. The Athletic Budget has been increased

What does this mean?

 

[Buffs@5345']

those are wonderfully general statements that don't discount a single thing we have said here. Please explain further or concede the point.

It's like the majority of American's conception of personal finance circa 2007 - you borrow a huge sum of money against little to no collateral - head to the bank and withdraw that amount in small bills - head to an apartment complex swimming pool - fill with said cash - jump in (ideally not from the rooftop)! Presto - floating in cash/sinking like a stone.

 

[MtnBuff]

Exactly. I get why they're excited. I even get, on some level, why they're trying to do what they're trying to do. It will be pretty magnificent if they pull it off, and they have one major bargaining chip working in their favor - the potential of the Denver TV market. That being said, if it fails then there will be a crater where the CSU AD used to reside. Bridges will have been burned with donors, with the community, with the legislature.... and the department will be a wreak financially and will have to make some drastic cuts.

They keep talking about the Denver TV market but what have we ever seen to indicate that anybody in Denver gives a rats a** about watching CSU on TV. They can't be bothered to go to Ft. Collins to watch them. Denver was the biggest market for the Mtn. and it died. CSU has done poorly in the TV rating when they have been on.

Denver is a pro sports town, specifically a Broncos town. In terms of interest in Denver CSU would easily be behind the Broncos, Rockies, Nuggets, Avalanche, CU football, CU basketball, AFA football, Nebraska football, and most likely at least 4-5 others. The PAC doesn't need them for the Denver market. Between CU and the alums of other PAC schools living in Colorado CSU adds virtually nothing for the PAC in terms of TV market. The Big XII is in a similar situation. I would be shocked if there aren't more Boomer fans who pay attention than CSU fans that pay attention in Denver plus all the Texans.

The Denver TV market argument holds about as much water as a tennis racket.

 

[tante]

there is some rumblings from the NCAA to just give CSU the national championship in every sport they participate in right now. Something about not wanting to embarrass other schools. Also it seems their fans are very rabid and have a potential for violent sexual contact with animals or something of that sort.

 

[dply]

They can't be bothered to go to Ft. Collins to watch them.

Hell, they can't be bothered to go to Denver to watch them.

 

[dply]

Here is another thing you can do at your new stadium:

The Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum field is the place where the ​

USC Trojans

play football, two ​

Summer Olympics

were staged, John F. Kennedy accepted the Democratic presidential nomination and Pope John Paul II celebrated Mass.

It was also a location for "The Gangbang Girl #32," a hard-core pornographic movie that featured 40 minutes of group sex on the gridiron turf, The Times has learned.

​

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-coliseum-porn-20120530,0,7705663.story

 

[dio]

Just spoke with my buddy whose family are 'moderate' donors to CSU. Told him that I was informed the CSU AD was swimming in cash, and he just started laughing

 

[OMFGasm]

Just spoke with my buddy whose family are 'moderate' donors to CSU. Told him that I was informed the CSU AD was swimming in cash, and he just started laughing

I said CSU, not the AD is swimming in cash. Some of that cash will be allocated to athletics as Tony Frank is increasing the athletic budget (obviously).

You guys' doomsday predictions of bankruptcy are as farfetched as you say mine are

 

[dio]

I said CSU, not the AD is swimming in cash. Some of that cash will be allocated to athletics as Tony Frank is increasing the athletic budget (obviously).

You guys' doomsday predictions of bankruptcy are as farfetched as you say mine are

Ohhh - so the AD is NOT swimming in cash - they are just getting an increased budget. Well that makes sense for covering the revenue streams - you certainly made it sound like the AD was swimming in cash.

OMFGasm - do you see any potential for failure here? If so, what will those consequences be?

 

[OMFGasm]

Ohhh - so the AD is NOT swimming in cash - they are just getting an increased budget. Well that makes sense for covering the revenue streams - you certainly made it sound like the AD was swimming in cash.

OMFGasm - do you see any potential for failure here? If so, what will those consequences be?

Yeah, its a risk/reward scenario but the bankruptcy scenario is effing hilarious. The new stadium is going to increase revenue for the athletic department/university by several millions.

If CSU can compile $530mil in a 3 year campaign for academics and roughly a billion in campus renovations, I don't think $ should be a problem.

If we win in Football, then it doesn't matter, the money problem will sort itself out. We already scrapping Russell for Nike. The $ in the AD is at an all time high

 

[Darian3Hagan]

There is no risk for CSU IMO. This is there last chance hail mary to run with the big dogs before the window slams shut

 

[Darth Snow]

Yeah, its a risk/reward scenario but the bankruptcy scenario is effing hilarious. The new stadium is going to increase revenue for the athletic department/university by several millions.

If CSU can compile $520mil in a 5 year campaign for academics and roughly a billion in campus renovations, I don't think $ should be a problem.

If we win in Football, then it doesn't matter, the money problem will sort itself out. We already scrapping Russell for Nike. The $ in the AD is at an all time high

So the school is heavily subsidizing the department. I can't WAIT to hear about it the next time CSU raises tuition. That aint gonna last.

 

[dply]

Yeah, its a risk/reward scenario but the bankruptcy scenario is effing hilarious. The new stadium is going to increase revenue for the athletic department/university by several millions.

If CSU can compile $520mil in a 5 year campaign for academics and roughly a billion in campus renovations, I don't think $ should be a problem.

If we win in Football, then it doesn't matter, the money problem will sort itself out. We already scrapping Russell for Nike. The $ in the AD is at an all time high

No one said bankrupt. You would just be in a lot of financial trouble. You are also assuming a losing program historically will start winning. You are also assuming that once you start winning people will start caring. You are also assuming the state won't make additional cuts to higher education which is something you, Captain Jack, and Tony Frank cannot do captain jack **** about.

 

[dio]

What does all-time high mean?

Raising money for sports is not the same as raising money for the academic side. You should know that. Different worlds.

How will the stadium increase revenue for CSU by several million?

Not sure anyone claimed bankruptcy, but taking loans from the school to cover the mistakes by the AD is never a good thing - we know this first hand. What do you think the worst case scenario is?

You make lots of claims but don't provide and detail or backup. We are reasonable folks, you could probably convince us that we're wrong.

 

[OMFGasm]

No one said bankrupt. You would just be in a lot of financial trouble. You are also assuming a losing program historically will start winning. You are also assuming that once you start winning people will start caring. You are also assuming the state won't make additional cuts to higher education which is something you, Captain Jack, and Tony Frank cannot do captain jack **** about.

I'm not assuming anything. Ram Club donations are at an all time high, before we even played a game. New revenue from the stadium + Nike will bring in some nice revenue. Those are sustainable forms of revenue. Can you read?