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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)

Big play hunting when he didn't have that situation
This is his biggest problem right now. You have to understand the situation you are in, you have to know to throw the ball away when nothing is there and take check down option when pressure is there. There are many bad habits he needs to correct in order to survive in NFL, and those are not easy to correct.

Shedeur needs 2-3 years of development before he is ready. Most people here just don't want to admit that.

What I hate most is that Browns is the worst team for him to develop. Really hope he can get out of this stupid organization next year
 
Shedeur needs 2-3 years of development before he is ready. Most people here just don't want to admit that.

I dunno. I think most people that are CU fans knew that Shedeur had work to do reading defenses and not taking bad sacks. The difference between NFL wins and losses is really thin, and taking a couple of 20+ yard sacks a game wasn’t going to fly.

I am more lamenting the fact that once you don’t go in rounds one or two, most careers are already over before they start. It’s not impossible, but it’s hard to move up from there. And the Browns situation is terrible since he has a higher drafted QB in his class and likely a round 1 next year. Browns fans seem to think that is a shot at them, when it’s really a shot against the terrible situation Shedeur finds himself in. He would’ve been better drafted as the developmental QB three anywhere else in the league. Instead he is the backup behind the developmental QB3 on the Browns. UDFA would’ve been better,, except in terms of the paycheck.
 
I dunno. I think most people that are CU fans knew that Shedeur had work to do reading defenses and not taking bad sacks. The difference between NFL wins and losses is really thin, and taking a couple of 20+ yard sacks a game wasn’t going to fly.

I am more lamenting the fact that once you don’t go in rounds one or two, most careers are already over before they start. It’s not impossible, but it’s hard to move up from there. And the Browns situation is terrible since he has a higher drafted QB in his class and likely a round 1 next year. Browns fans seem to think that is a shot at them, when it’s really a shot against the terrible situation Shedeur finds himself in. He would’ve been better drafted as the developmental QB three anywhere else in the league. Instead he is the backup behind the developmental QB3 on the Browns. UDFA would’ve been better,, except in terms of the paycheck.
Priority UDFA often pays better than being a 5th rounder. As a FA teams are competing for a player, 5th rounder can take the salary slot given or not play effectively ending his career.
 
This is his biggest problem right now. You have to understand the situation you are in, you have to know to throw the ball away when nothing is there and take check down option when pressure is there. There are many bad habits he needs to correct in order to survive in NFL, and those are not easy to correct.

Shedeur needs 2-3 years of development before he is ready. Most people here just don't want to admit that.

What I hate most is that Browns is the worst team for him to develop. Really hope he can get out of this stupid organization next year
This is the NFL, development happens so fast. I used to out 2 to 3 years of dev on guys like Dart and he ended up being ready sooner than later. It's all about what you are asked to do of course. Shedeur is in a WCO. That's a lot for a rookie

Shedeur could figure out what he needs and be ready by November but he might never figure it out. Thats the million dollar question. This is not guaranteed

This is what I've personally identified that he needs to work on.

1. Mental reps in the scheme.
2. Footwork
3. Depth of drops
4. Build mental mastery of the wco. For those who are confused:
5. Work heavily on fitness. Maintain what I saw week 1.
6. Post snap reads are just as critical as pro snaps, master it
 
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This is the NFL, development happens so fast. I used to out 2 to 3 years of dev on guys like Dart and he ended up being ready sooner than later. It's all about what you are asked to do of course. Shedeur is in a WCO. That's a lot for a rookie

Shedeur could figure out what he needs and be ready by November but he might never figure it out. Thats the million dollar question. This is not guaranteed
Is it a complete retooling of him as a QB, mechanics, awareness, system learning, reading defenses etc or mental vs physical per say?
 
I dunno. I think most people that are CU fans knew that Shedeur had work to do reading defenses and not taking bad sacks. The difference between NFL wins and losses is really thin, and taking a couple of 20+ yard sacks a game wasn’t going to fly.

I am more lamenting the fact that once you don’t go in rounds one or two, most careers are already over before they start. It’s not impossible, but it’s hard to move up from there. And the Browns situation is terrible since he has a higher drafted QB in his class and likely a round 1 next year. Browns fans seem to think that is a shot at them, when it’s really a shot against the terrible situation Shedeur finds himself in. He would’ve been better drafted as the developmental QB three anywhere else in the league. Instead he is the backup behind the developmental QB3 on the Browns. UDFA would’ve been better,, except in terms of the paycheck.
Exactly. How does 12 get reps at QB4 (and second developmental QB) to work on areas of improvement.

I wonder how many teams in the past 5 years have kept two developmental QBs on their roster?
 
Chart GPT
  • Since 2013, only five teams have ever kept four quarterbacks on their Week 1 53-man rosters .
  • In last five years, there have been 2
    • 2021 New Orleans Saints (Taysom Hill, Jameis Winston, Trevor Siemian, Ian Book)
    • 2020 New York Jets (Sam Darnold, James Morgan, Joe Flacco, Mike White)
    • No team in 2022, 2023, or 2024 appears to have done so.
 
Is it a complete retooling of him as a QB, mechanics, awareness, system learning, reading defenses etc or mental vs physical per say?
Partial. You have to remember, his main job is also going to be scout team QB to give looks to the defense of the opponent. True mastery comes with playing time. That's why I say, partial.
 
Chart GPT
  • Since 2013, only five teams have ever kept four quarterbacks on their Week 1 53-man rosters .
  • In last five years, there have been 2
    • 2021 New Orleans Saints (Taysom Hill, Jameis Winston, Trevor Siemian, Ian Book)
    • 2020 New York Jets (Sam Darnold, James Morgan, Joe Flacco, Mike White)
    • No team in 2022, 2023, or 2024 appears to have done so.
Cool. I hope to hell they cut him. He'll be picked up in under 10 minutes.
 
Chart GPT
  • Since 2013, only five teams have ever kept four quarterbacks on their Week 1 53-man rosters .
  • In last five years, there have been 2
    • 2021 New Orleans Saints (Taysom Hill, Jameis Winston, Trevor Siemian, Ian Book)
    • 2020 New York Jets (Sam Darnold, James Morgan, Joe Flacco, Mike White)
    • No team in 2022, 2023, or 2024 appears to have done so.
The Browns have 5 of them, lol. 2021 Saints is kinda misleading. Hill was an all purpose player.
 
Chart GPT
  • Since 2013, only five teams have ever kept four quarterbacks on their Week 1 53-man rosters .
  • In last five years, there have been 2
    • 2021 New Orleans Saints (Taysom Hill, Jameis Winston, Trevor Siemian, Ian Book)
    • 2020 New York Jets (Sam Darnold, James Morgan, Joe Flacco, Mike White)
    • No team in 2022, 2023, or 2024 appears to have done so.
Strange how Flacco was a part of two of those rosters.

Solid signal that he isn't looked at as the answer, not that he cares as long as the rather large checks keep showing up in his bank account.
 
Partial. You have to remember, his main job is also going to be scout team QB to give looks to the defense of the opponent. True mastery comes with playing time. That's why I say, partial.
Does he still have the same QB Coach? Feels like he needs a more mature and helpful mentor and coach. Bailing out the back is terrible coaching
 
Does he still have the same QB Coach? Feels like he needs a more mature and helpful mentor and coach. Bailing out the back is terrible coaching
Musgrave. One of Prime's guys.

They are developing him, week 1 showed us that. Just like they didn't set him up for success in week 3.
 
Sign. Maybe you should check out the average release time DG has yesterday.

SS12 never takes check down, and doesn't have great anticipation. He also doesn't step up in the pocket most of the time. These are the same issues he had in Colorado.

DG is a very good QB with bad physical measures. A lot of his QB traits are better than SS12, believe it or not. His quick release and the willing to take yards when the big play is not available is better than SS12 because that's literally what he has been doing for 5 years in college.

Sometimes it's hard to have reasonable discussions here, every time SS12 makes mistakes it's his OL's fault. Sure.
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Not that this is breaking news... the Browns have cut 4 of the 5 OL that were protecting Shedeur. None of the OL protecting Gabriel have been cut.
3 of WR's Shedeur was throwing to have been cut, none of WR's Gabriel has been throwing to.
Can Shedeur on occasional hold the ball too long, yep. Is he a QB1 talent, absolutely. He is in an absolutely terrible position being on the roster of one of the worst organizations in pro sports. He had less than 2 seconds to throw with no open WR to throw it to. I hope he is able ro keep his confidence. The Browns did him dirty
 
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Not that this is breaking news... the Browns have cut 4 of the 5 OL that were protecting Shedeur. None of the OL protecting Gabriel have been cut.
3 of WR's Shedeur was throwing to have been cut, one of WR's Gabriel has been throwing to.
Can Shedeur on occasional hold the ball too long, yep. Is he a QB1 talent, absolutely. He is in an absolutely terrible position being on the roster of one of the worst organizations in pro sports. He had less than 2 seconds to throw with no open to throw it to. I hope he is able ro keep his confidence. The Browns did him dirty
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Not that this is breaking news... the Browns have cut 4 of the 5 OL that were protecting Shedeur. None of the OL protecting Gabriel have been cut.
3 of WR's Shedeur was throwing to have been cut, one of WR's Gabriel has been throwing to.
Can Shedeur on occasional hold the ball too long, yep. Is he a QB1 talent, absolutely. He is in an absolutely terrible position being on the roster of one of the worst organizations in pro sports. He had less than 2 seconds to throw with no open to throw it to. I hope he is able ro keep his confidence. The Browns did him dirty
And Shedeur would have been done dirty all preseason, that was certainly the play. He just happened into a start when everyone else was hurt.
 
I don’t think CU fans are ignorant to his faults. I think the issue most have is that he is not getting the reps and same opportunities as the other rookie on his team and when he did get extended starting time, he looked pretty good.
To me, the problem SS has is when he has no faith that he'll get any blocking, he still wants to move the ball down the field--and believes he can find a way to do so. Shocking.

The Browns have set him up to exacerbate his issues rather than work on them. As I understand it, all of the OL blocking for him during the last game were cut within a day or so of that game (except for one?). Running the garbage time offense is just asking for chaotic hero ball: chuck it and run or run and chuck it.

When SS was allowed to play with some 2s and 3s, even against 1s, he was largely very effective and made few mistakes (especially for his very first NFL game ever). But once you crest into the realm of 3s and 4s who are about to get cut (and then do), that's barely an organized football game.

Ok. I'm out on this for as long as I can be.
 
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he still wants to move the ball down the field--and believes he can find a way to do so
This is where his dad always being his HC hurts his development. As a NFL QB, you have to be able to take the quick and short yards when it's there. The big play is not always there. You don't always have a Heisman WR making big plays for you. Even if you play with the 1s, you will still have a lot of games that 3 seconds throwing window is all you can have in a lot of snaps.

Most QBs had to learn this in college. For SS, even with TB12, a master of doing this, as his mentor for a long time, he still hasn't learned this. Because he doesn't have to, no one is able to hold him accountable because of his dad.

SS doesn't like option route? Sure, fire the OC. SS doesn't like run play? Sure, audible to whatever you want.

We have had many arguments about this last season, to me, the OC of Colorado is always SS. Everything we complained in the last two years, super bad OL, zero running game, zero presnap motion, is because of SS as the OC. I think it will become very clear once you see the Colorado offense this year.

I truly believe the best development path for him is to sit behind an established QB1 for 1-2 years to really learn how to operate a NFL offense. It sucks that he is in the worst organization that has no stability in QB position and has a another long term backup QB drafted before him.

The best situation IMO is that Brown draft a new QB next year, keep DG as the backup QB, and trade SS to another team.
 
This is where his dad always being his HC hurts his development. As a NFL QB, you have to be able to take the quick and short yards when it's there. The big play is not always there. You don't always have a Heisman WR making big plays for you. Even if you play with the 1s, you will still have a lot of games that 3 seconds throwing window is all you can have in a lot of snaps.

Most QBs had to learn this in college. For SS, even with TB12, a master of doing this, as his mentor for a long time, he still hasn't learned this. Because he doesn't have to, no one is able to hold him accountable because of his dad.

SS doesn't like option route? Sure, fire the OC. SS doesn't like run play? Sure, audible to whatever you want.

We have had many arguments about this last season, to me, the OC of Colorado is always SS. Everything we complained in the last two years, super bad OL, zero running game, zero presnap motion, is because of SS as the OC. I think it will become very clear once you see the Colorado offense this year.

I truly believe the best development path for him is to sit behind an established QB1 for 1-2 years to really learn how to operate a NFL offense. It sucks that he is in the worst organization that has no stability in QB position and has a another long term backup QB drafted before him.

The best situation IMO is that Brown draft a new QB next year, keep DG as the backup QB, and trade SS to another team.
I'm not sure I completely agree with all of the above, but it seems to me SS12 played well in the pre-season game where he had a strong supporting cast, this past game he felt the pressure to the guy since he was not supported. He reverted to a lot of bad habits, holding the ball too long, fading farther and farther back in the pocket etc. I think he is used to being the hero and each level he goes up the harder it gets to be that guy. It was pretty hard at FBS level, it will be near impossible in the NFL. Brett Favre did a lot of the same when he was first in the NFL, believing his arm could overcome all obstacles. I agree he needs to go sit behind somebody for a year or two and learn. Cleveland isn't the place for that.
 
Not that this is breaking news... the Browns have cut 4 of the 5 OL that were protecting Shedeur. None of the OL protecting Gabriel have been cut.
3 of WR's Shedeur was throwing to have been cut, none of WR's Gabriel has been throwing to.
Can Shedeur on occasional hold the ball too long, yep. Is he a QB1 talent, absolutely. He is in an absolutely terrible position being on the roster of one of the worst organizations in pro sports. He had less than 2 seconds to throw with no open WR to throw it to. I hope he is able ro keep his confidence. The Browns did him dirty
Stop making excuses! 🤣
 
but it seems to me SS12 played well in the pre-season game where he had a strong supporting cast
He played well because he is great at throwing accuracy (short-medium range) and his elite decision-making ability. We know his strength, there is a reason he is probably the best QB in the Colorado history.

HIs issues in college was still present in the first preseason game: Holding the ball too long, spinning backwards, giving up sacks by running out of bound, not good at anticipation throw to get short yardages.

He did step up a couple of times in the first game, but again, he also stepped up in the pocket a few times last year as well. That's why I think it's more of mental issue. He needs 1-2 year to be mentally ready for NFL.
 
I really don’t think the Browns are trying to screw Shedeur. Where he got screwed was in the draft. His draft position automatically relegated him to 4th in the depth chart which meant he was not going to get reps with the starters or even first backups. The Browns obviously see value in him. He’s in a waiting game now. Either injuries, poor performance or a trade need to happen.
 
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