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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)

The Alabaster Yak said:
He was interviewed about the QB situation today and instead of speaking he just mouthed and pantomimed his answers to reporters. Not sure what his reasoning was, but it's just not a good look.
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He was handling this well after getting drafted but not recently.

Best to just not draw any attention and put his head down and work.

He said just last week he has seen the QB play in the league and knows he’s better. Seems he never learned
 
Buffnik said:
I don't get it, I guess. I took that as him being playful about not giving them a quote that would get him in trouble. How am I supposed to take it?
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Medford M. said:
Everything he says is dissected by the media, so he’s going to say what he really wants but not actually say it
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Fans can defend him all they want but it’s a bad look and doesn’t help him in any way, shape or form.

Maybe he doesn’t give a **** about the optics, but the optics are a major part of being QB1 in the league.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Fans can defend him all they want but it’s a bad look and doesn’t help him in any way, shape or form.

Maybe he doesn’t give a **** about the optics, but the optics are a major part of being QB1 in the league.
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I'm not sure if I am defending or criticizing or indifferent on this. I legitimately don't get what people are reacting so strongly to. Did he mouth something controversial or something?
 
Buffnik said:
I'm not sure if I am defending or criticizing or indifferent on this. I legitimately don't get what people are reacting so strongly to. Did he mouth something controversial or something?
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He is making an obvious point that whenever he says anything it gets twisted. He was trashed earlier this week or last week when he made his comments about how he thinks he can be starting QB in this league based on the QB play he has seen. I don't see that as remotely confrontational and would expect any QB in the league to say the same thing. But the hysteria gets dumped on him.

So today he decided to just mime his responses as a tongue and cheek response to the media so nothing can get twisted.

I personally just don't think that helps his image either.
 
Buffnik said:
I'm not sure if I am defending or criticizing or indifferent on this. I legitimately don't get what people are reacting so strongly to. Did he mouth something controversial or something?
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To me it’s for the same reason people remember

“What are we talking about? Practice?”

And

“I’m just here so I don’t get fined.”

It’s unprofessional conduct for someone making millions to play a game. Grow up and be a professional.
 
dio said:
He is making an obvious point that whenever he says anything it gets twisted. He was trashed earlier this week or last week when he made his comments about how he thinks he can be starting QB in this league based on the QB play he has seen. I don't see that as remotely confrontational and would expect any QB in the league to say the same thing. But the hysteria gets dumped on him.

So today he decided to just mime his responses as a tongue and cheek response to the media so nothing can get twisted.

I personally just don't think that helps his image either.
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So what we want from him is inauthentic, mundane, non-quotable quotes?

 
Gary Indiana said:
To me it’s for the same reason people remember

“What are we talking about? Practice?”

And

“I’m just here so I don’t get fined.”

It’s unprofessional conduct for someone making millions to play a game. Grow up and be a professional.
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I mean, I've seen some professional grown ups on this forum not deal with criticism well.
 
Buffnik said:
So what we want from him is inauthentic, mundane, non-quotable quotes?

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You’re stating this as if there are only two options.

He has to overcome the narrative that he’s a spoiled nepo baby who is seeing what it’s like to not have QB1 handed to him for the first time in his life. Showing that he can put the team ahead of himself would be a great start.
 
Gary Indiana said:
You’re stating this as if there are only two options.

He has to overcome the narrative that he’s a spoiled nepo baby who is seeing what it’s like to not have QB1 handed to him for the first time in his life. Showing that he can put the team ahead of himself would be a great start.
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And what's the third path in between cliche and being himself?
 
Buffnik said:
And what's the third path in between cliche and being himself?
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Being an adult and realizing that you’re not helping yourself or your team by continuing to answer these questions.

“Hey, I know you guys have a job to do with these questions, but the last thing I want to be is a distraction to my team as we try and put a winning team on the field. With that in mind, I don’t plan on answering any questions about my role until I earn a spot on the field. Right now I’m a backup quarterback and my role is to help our team prepare for Sunday.”
 
Gary Indiana said:
To me it’s for the same reason people remember

“What are we talking about? Practice?”

And

“I’m just here so I don’t get fined.”

It’s unprofessional conduct for someone making millions to play a game. Grow up and be a professional.
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Quoting a Hall of Famer and a soon to be Hall of Famer, is one way to construct an argument.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Being an adult and realizing that you’re not helping yourself or your team by continuing to answer these questions.

“Hey, I know you guys have a job to do with these questions, but the last thing I want to be is a distraction to my team as we try and put a winning team on the field. With that in mind, I don’t plan on answering any questions about my role until I earn a spot on the field. Right now I’m a backup quarterback and my role is to help our team prepare for Sunday.”
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Which is just a different way of saying, "I am just happy to be here and want to help the ball club. I will continue to work hard and, if the good lord's willing, I will be able to help the team get a win if I get my shot."

As I was driving back from lunch, the Jim Rome show was on. He actually went so far as to say that what Shedeur should have done is acknowledge that Gabriel is better than him. WTAF?
 
Gary Indiana said:
Being an adult and realizing that you’re not helping yourself or your team by continuing to answer these questions.

“Hey, I know you guys have a job to do with these questions, but the last thing I want to be is a distraction to my team as we try and put a winning team on the field. With that in mind, I don’t plan on answering any questions about my role until I earn a spot on the field. Right now I’m a backup quarterback and my role is to help our team prepare for Sunday.”
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Do you know the definition of cliche?
 
dio said:
He is making an obvious point that whenever he says anything it gets twisted. He was trashed earlier this week or last week when he made his comments about how he thinks he can be starting QB in this league based on the QB play he has seen. I don't see that as remotely confrontational and would expect any QB in the league to say the same thing. But the hysteria gets dumped on him.

So today he decided to just mime his responses as a tongue and cheek response to the media so nothing can get twisted.

I personally just don't think that helps his image either.
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The only thing that will help his image is playing and playing well.

The people who continually look to be critical of Shedeur are going to be critical no matter what he says, or doesn't say. If he were to tell the media that the sky is blue today and and the temperatures are comfortable they would look to accuse him of being sarcastic and hard to work with.

Shedeur has no control over his last name. His dad is a polarizing figure, much of that gets translated to his son. Shedeur grew up with the benefits of his dad's name and the negatives.

The tough thing is that his talent and ability is high enough that had he not carried a famous name he might be in a better position in the pros. Coming out of high school he was a legitimate high 3* prospect. In college he had his weaknesses as a QB but played well enough to justify being drafted much higher than he was.

His fall to the 5th round doesn't make a lot of sense, his burial on the depth chart doesn't look to make any sense either.

This particular bit of media exposure is a big nothing. It isn't going to change the minds of his critics or supporters.
 
Dude has a gazillion social media followers that he can monetize for a variety of things. He has that *because* he is his authentic self.

He can pretend to be something he is not: a sterilized corporate mouthpiece, which is what Gary obviously wants, or he can remain true to himself.

He may, or may not, ever become a starting NFL quarterback *no matter which path he chooses.* I don't believe his odds are meaningfully different either way.

But if he loses his authenticity, he loses the social (and monetary) value he *already* has. For what? To make a bunch of mediocre white guys feel better, and maybe, maybe make few million more?

Is that worth risking everything you *already* have?

AND give up being true to yourself in the process?

I mean, I understand that most mediocre white men in this country have sold their authentic self to the corporate gods in exchange for money and power, and that it hurts their own self image to see someone, a black man nonetheless, not bending the knee like they have, but I just return to:

He's gotten this far, which is basically set for life, by being true to himself, and now you're telling him to just sell his soul?

I think it says a lot about the people telling him to compromise who he is.
 
Buffnik said:
I'm not sure if I am defending or criticizing or indifferent on this. I legitimately don't get what people are reacting so strongly to. Did he mouth something controversial or something?
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Yeah. I mean, does any weird interview a pro, or even college, athlete gives shock anyone anymore? He looked a little immature but it wasn’t offensive and didn’t cross any lines.
 
skibum said:
Dude has a gazillion social media followers that he can monetize for a variety of things. He has that *because* he is his authentic self.

He can pretend to be something he is not: a sterilized corporate mouthpiece, which is what Gary obviously wants, or he can remain true to himself.

He may, or may not, ever become a starting NFL quarterback *no matter which path he chooses.* I don't believe his odds are meaningfully different either way.

But if he loses his authenticity, he loses the social (and monetary) value he *already* has. For what? To make a bunch of mediocre white guys feel better, and maybe, maybe make few million more?

Is that worth risking everything you *already* have?

AND give up being true to yourself in the process?

I mean, I understand that most mediocre white men in this country have sold their authentic self to the corporate gods in exchange for money and power, and that it hurts their own self image to see someone, a black man nonetheless, not bending the knee like they have, but I just return to:

He's gotten this far, which is basically set for life, by being true to himself, and now you're telling him to just sell his soul?

I think it says a lot about the people telling him to compromise who he is.
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Be real. He and Shilo got to where they are from a social media standpoint because they are Deion Sanders' kids. Deion built them a platform and they capitalized on marketing themselves (with help from other professionals). They didn't need to be fake or inauthentic to gain the popularity, like most influencers do, but it wasn't their authenticity that got them to this point.

Regardless, it's not even that deep. I just want him to become a starting NFL QB, and most of what he and his dad have said and done over the past year and a half have lowered those chances, quite significantly, even though they were just being their authentic selves.

"Mediocre white men" (not sure why you chose to go this direction) have to "play the corporate game" in order to climb the corporate ladder, and the same could be said about non-premium draft picks in the NFL. Maybe Shedeur ultimately doesn't care about becoming a starting NFL QB. In that case, more power to him.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I just want him to become a starting NFL QB, and most of what he and his dad have said and done over the past year and a half have lowered those chances, quite significantly, even though they were just being their authentic selves.
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This statement right here is exactly what my entire post is about.

Here's the deal: it's not about what *you* want.

It's about what he wants, and what he is willing to do, and is not willing to do, in order to get that.

If he is not willing to compromise who he is in order to achieve what he wants, I'm not to judge him negatively for that.

But you feel free to do so.

Again, I think our reactions say more about us than they say about him.
 
Shedeur’s market shrinks considerably if he is a long term back-up QB. He may be successful as something else in his life, but that’s not the point.
 
Earlier this week, Shedeur was asked about being a starter and he said yes, he thought he had the ability to be a starter and was better than some guys playing now. One view is that he was being honest and you want a player to have confidence that they have the ability to start. Joe Flacco answered somewhat similarly when asked about being a mentor, and he effectively said the same thing. That he wasn’t there to hold a clipboard. Alternative view was that he should just **** up and be a good little third stringer. Rex Ryan slammed him.

Now, he gets asked about the change in QBs, and he mimes to suggest I’m not touching that with a ten foot pole because last time you criticized me for being honest.

@Gary Indiana (and the Cleveland Browns organization) want him to go into coach speak with something along the lines like, “I’m here to support whomever the coaches select to start. It’s all about winning football games, and I’m here to help whether that serving on the scout team getting our starter ready or playing meaningful minutes.” Life would certainly be easier for Shedeur if he went this route.

I personally understood the reason for the response. I also know that a majority of the American population truly hates the Sanders family. And that is why they interview him. It’s for clicks.
 
Creebuzz said:
Earlier this week, Shedeur was asked about being a starter and he said yes, he thought he had the ability to be a starter and was better than some guys playing now. One view is that he was being honest and you want a player to have confidence that they have the ability to start. Joe Flacco answered somewhat similarly when asked about being a mentor, and he effectively said the same thing. That he wasn’t there to hold a clipboard. Alternative view was that he should just **** up and be a good little third stringer. Rex Ryan slammed him.

Now, he gets asked about the change in QBs, and he mimes to suggest I’m not touching that with a ten foot pole because last time you criticized me for being honest.

@Gary Indiana (and the Cleveland Browns organization) want him to go into coach speak with something along the lines like, “I’m here to support whomever the coaches select to start. It’s all about winning football games, and I’m here to help whether that serving on the scout team getting our starter ready or playing meaningful minutes.” Life would certainly be easier for Shedeur if he went this route.

I personally understood the reason for the response. I also know that a majority of the American population truly hates the Sanders family. And that is why they interview him. It’s for clicks.
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So there’s no middle ground between “I believe Shedeur should handle things in a more mature manner if he wants to be taken seriously” and “people truly hate the sanders family”?

I think Deion and Jr are great representatives of themselves and the university. Big fan of them. I think Shilo and Shedeur seem like arrogant assholes.
 
skibum said:
This statement right here is exactly what my entire post is about.

Here's the deal: it's not about what *you* want.

It's about what he wants, and what he is willing to do, and is not willing to do, in order to get that.

If he is not willing to compromise who he is in order to achieve what he wants, I'm not to judge him negatively for that.

But you feel free to do so.

Again, I think our reactions say more about us than they say about him.
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Which is why I ended my post with
The Alabaster Yak said:
Maybe Shedeur ultimately doesn't care about becoming a starting NFL QB. In that case, more power to him.
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