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Unbelievable. The VSP care eye health claims among P12Conf employees must've shot up after all the eyerolling going on.
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Sir Larry Scott.. (P12 considering buying out Larry Scott)
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Unbelievable. The VSP care eye health claims among P12Conf employees must've shot up after all the eyerolling going on.
Or the reality of being a Pac-12 school versus a Big 12 school is starting to hit and sink in?
AT&T U-Verse dropping distribution, leading to only 17.5M households remaining is not good. It is unsustainable. Larry Scott's ego and love for the "other sports" is going to put this conference so far behind the other 4... It is going to take a long time to fix if he is allowed to negotiate the next media deal.
He has to go before 2024. He should be gone before then, but he absolutely has to be gone by then.
He has to go before 2024. He should be gone before then, but he absolutely has to be gone by then.
7 networks to serve those 17.5M households. Amazing that SEC and B1G can served 60M-80M households with 1 channel and a backup app.
Pac-12 needs to just sell out to Fox Sports. Become Fox's pet network like the SEC and ESPN. Tap into that national distribution and their digital platform. This isn't rocket science.
I think you have to look at the conference's presidents and chancellors a significant source of the issue with the Pac-12. Football & basketball, which pays the bills, are not anywhere near as prioritized in the Pac-12 versus the Big 12.
Bingo.
They can argue its a "culture" issue all they want, but they are wrong. Fans in the west care about their teams. The Pac-12 does a poor job of distributing content about their teams, especially relevant to the sports that are king.
You want rabid football fans? Then give the fans football content. This isn't hard.
This. Then Larry could serve out the term of his contract simonizing Joel Klatt's car.
Still baffled why I can’t just pay $9.99/month to get the Pac-12 channel.
And also baffled why they don’t have an app in Apple TV or Roku
And also baffled why they don’t have an app in Apple TV or Roku
Well Larry is getting paid good money to take the heat that should be going to the conference presidents and chancellors. As much as we have all slammed Larry Scott on the TV distribution money, I think he might have gotten us a pretty good deal for a conference that appears to value Olympic sports over football & basketball. Just think what kind of money he could bring to the Pac-12 if the presidents & chancellors really cared about football & basketball. I also think that CU & Utah fans are now starting to realize what the Pac-10 fans have concluded about their administrations years before both schools joined the Pac-12. I believe the rabid Pac-12 fans are there; it's just that they are not going to waste their time watching inferior P5 football & basketball.
The big question that needs to be asked is did the Pac-10 fans raise enough of a stink in the past but fell on deaf ears in the ivory towers?
Because streaming access was tied to the carriage fees they got from the cable companies. Made it so you had to be a subscriber to a carrier to access the online content. Really poorly played by Scott and the Pac-12. If your vision is to own 100% of your content and have flexibility, why do deals that tie up your content with restrictions that limit your flexibility even more than peers who sold off half their ownership? It makes no sense. This is not a cohesive strategy and it's kind of stupid if I'm going to be blunt about it.
The question is did Larry Scott really have a choice if he was to get a nice deal for the Pac-12 when it comes to the contracts?
We are stuck like this until the next media rights deal. We are like three to four years away before we start to hear rumblings about how the next Pac-12 media rights deal is going to be like or going all in with a $9.99 monthly subscription plan like CUAviator and myself want.
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The most forward-thinking, athletics-supportive, business-savvy of the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors. Let that sink in.Chairman of PAC-12 CEOs
Not only that, but he signed the cable deals first but gave them a most favored nations clause that made it so he couldn't offer DirecTV at a lower price without matching that price for the cable companies. He doesn't know what he's doing, and he's getting paid $5 million a year to do it.
Chairman of PAC-12 CEOs
Is this the most punchable faces thread?
Quite the indictment of the Pac-12 as a whole.
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I side the presidents were asleep at the wheel. I meant drunk. Piss faced drunk.
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I really hope not. IMHO there is nothing attractive about going to Las Vegas unless you just want to get drunk and lose money. It's can be quite expensive and really crowded with nothing outside of the Strip, Old Town, and Hoover dam to visit (I could be quite biased but that's all I have experienced when going). The Bay Area and LA area at least have a lot of other attractants to make a weekend out of it and make the flight and lodging costs go further.
Much cheaper for folks to fly into Vegas typically, than the bay area. Obviously if you are trying to return home on Sunday or you are flying during a convention that can change. Vegas also has a HUGE variety of lodging options from reasonable to outrageous. It may not have as many tourist attractions per say, it has more access to stage performances. Whether that be music, comedy, dance, drama, dance, etc.
I get the complain that it is a party town. Just think the ease in which people in our conference could get to Vegas makes it an ideal location. It is why the basketball tournament works so well.
I'm probably not going to go to a conference championship in San Fran in December. It's expensive and the weather sucks. I will be going to conference championships in Vegas, and I'm be taking my wife too.
Why should I agree to pay you to carry your channel AND then let you go out and set up a direct to customer streaming product that competes against me?
By the way in addition to mailing you a check every month for your content I’m also managing a call center for you, installing hardware, doing marketing, billing, upgrades, and handling your customer service issues when things don’t work. Which you would have to hire people for along with tech support teams. I already have scale. You don’t.
B1G and others sell their non-televised content through their "plus" app. I pretty much agree with you on televised content in that your partners will want and pay more for exclusivity, although anything can be negotiated (you just get lower rates in a deal if you don't give exclusivity). The big mistake was creating 7 networks and not having any "plus" content that could be sold in a subscription app, though.
Ask yourself this question: how many people do you need to pay you $9.99 a month to make exactly the same amount of money that you’re making currently piggybacking on someone else’s backbone? Now think about how many people you’re going to need to make more money and grow the business (since current revenue has been deemed here as unacceptable). Weigh that against, what is the total possible maximum number of realistic potential subscribers if you hit full saturation? Then, how much staffing and spending is it going to take to achieve any of the above (increasing your cost)? Lastly, how many years of losing money (the schools paying for your existence as you ramp up versus you giving them revenue) would be acceptable? 2 years? 5 years?
Would you get money from people buying a sports bundle that get them the big 10 network along with the pac 12 network or the ACC network along with the pac 12 network? People that had no interest in the pac 12 network would pay you something because of bundling.
The debate is can we make more standalone? Or more bundled with something else? I think we’re way too niche to ever have broad enough appeal to stand alone. We need partners.
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I assume that I'm typical of the type of subscriber who evaluates sports programming at my various service provider options and is willing to pay more for college sports programming.
I have a college conference I care a lot more about (Pac-12, but for this exercise it could be any of them), but I am a much happier consumer if I can get a bundle of PACN, BTN, SECN and ACCN that costs less than if I had to buy each of those individually. At where they'd be priced individually, I'd probably only pay for PACN. Assuming that I'm a "normal" consumer on this, considering the market for the other conferences outside our footprint for most of the nation's population and college sports fans -- the Pac-12 gets brutalized on distribution if it's not part of a bundle.
They also have a backup channel in many markets as well so all games get seen by as many folks as possible.
That's what I think as well. That there is a limited potential market for individual networks. But bundled together they become more compelling.
Two years ago I got frustrated with the cost of DirecTV. And then I noticed that the Sony Vue service had a lot of what I wanted for 1/4 the price and no bloat. I was not a Sunday Ticket subscriber so the decision was a no brainer. Vue ultimately cut a couple of channels and it became clear they were not going to add the P12N as Sling had. So I downloaded the app on my amazon device and I switched to Sling with the click of a button.
How awesome is that? Anywhere I can get good wifi I can stream Sling.