You just said we are where we are because of bad hires, not institutional limitations. I gave you a recent example of institutional limitations running off a good hire and you just 'whatever'd' me.
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So'oto pokes his finger at CU
- Thread starter mke1010
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Dude. Yes. I don’t know. That’s what Adam said. You can believe his source or not
No, I don’t see matching MSU making MT a top 10 paid coach in the sport an institutional limitation standing in the way of winning 6 games
Tucker 100% was institutional limitations. The unwillingness or inability of the institution to follow through on promises made when he was hired.
Hawkins was a fraud and a little due diligence by CU at the time should have exposed that. Embree was hired because he was cheap which is very much an institutional matter.
While Tucker’s hire wasn’t an institutional failure, not keeping him 100% was.
Hiring Tucker was not due to institutional limitations. Keeping him was at least partially due to it, but he also couldn’t win 6 games. Again, I am saying there are no excuses and nothing standing in the way of this program winning 6 games consistently. Winning 7-8+ there is a good argument, yes
All you had to say is that you don’t know!
I don’t doubt that Dorrell is telling people the spin, so the source could be telling the truth (i.e. yes, Dorrell told the source that So’oto left due to familial concerns). The source’s credibility sorta hinges on his source. In one scenario, the source is being used to launder AD disinformation. In the other scenario, the source is providing insight into So’oto’s words upon departure. My feeling is that it’s the former.
Embree wasn’t (only) hired because he was cheap. He was hired to appease all former Buffs.
Yes, this board will definitely feel it’s the former
Given So’oto’s rapid reply in dispelling the AD’s story, I don’t think it’s just about the board’s sentiment.
After he’s signed a contract with Cal, yeah, there’s motivation to make sure whatever excuse he gave Dorrell for bailing on the program and leaving him in the lurch is dispelled publicly.
Dorrell, to me, simply doesn’t seem like a guy who is going to erroneously throw a dude’s family under the bus, when the “real” reason is going to be made public within 24 hours.
Dorrell wasn’t throwing anyone’s family under the bus. He was attempting to make himself look better in the situation by labeling the departure as a family matter instead of being about Dorrell’s ineptitude.
My point is he doesn’t seem like the kind of person who is going to bring a guys’ family into the equation out of nowhere.
It’s a he said/she said and you believe So’oto. Good luck.
With the exception of Tucker they were all awful hires due to institutional limitations, and Tucker bailed the first chance he got when he saw the real limitations he would face.
Not saying the others were bad people or bad coaches but they were the options available under the limitations placed from above RGs level.
It was made clear that we wouldn't be flexible (compared to our competition) in terms of academics for recruits, we wouldn't be as flexible in terms of academic load, we wouldn't be competitive in terms of recruiting tactics (not talking about passing out bags but in other areas.)
Emree was absolutely due to institutional limitations. They wanted an alum and they wanted cheap. McIntyre was a guy acceptable because he ran and promised a "clean" program. KD was again an alum who they knew wouldn't ask to use the recruiting style that it takes to compete.
I don’t care to rehash why each coach was hired, but CU fans needs to stop acting like Hawkins and Embree (the two coaches that ran the program into the ground from an on field standpoint) were the only options that would have accepted the CUHC job under the same circumstances. They were terrible hires that spanned 7 seasons and a conference change during a time when the Pac 10/12 was the “speed” conference running innovative, Spread offenses and CU was slow and running pro style.
Also, I will reiterate once again, that my I am talking about institutional limitations standing in the way of 6 wins. That has never been the case and it isn’t the case now.
KD isn’t an alum, but I know what you meant.
So all CU needs to do to get to a baseline of six wins a season is do something they’ve been utterly incapable of for 15 of the last 20 years. Cool.
241Volcanos
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0 credibility to the guy who bolted after 2 months on the job. He obviously lied plenty to get CU gig in first place.
Make good hires, yes. Or, coaches who have been hired and gone 5-7 every year, just win one more game.
He was recruited to work at Colorado based upon his track record.
ahoelsken
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If ****ing Cal is paying him more than we are, then Yak is 100% right. Wilcox is lightyears ahead of Dorrell as a football coach. I don't think any sane poster would argue that. They're the one AD in the conference with more issues than we have though.
ahoelsken
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Dorrell having a replacement lined up already leads me to believe he pushed So'oto out.
White_Rabbit
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Wait
So'oto left?
So'oto left?
The position is a parallel move, not a step down.
Cal has one of the most over-achieving defenses in CFB. Given that, it's a significant step up for someone still learning their craft and building their resume.
Huh?
He just did! So’oto confirmed it. Around and around we go.
Which means that source heard it from Dorrell. So, one would have to believe everything Dorrell says on this. I think it is much more believable that he was being micro-managed by the DC, who has the Dorrell's backing.
Maybe the source was RG.