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So'oto pokes his finger at CU

The Alabaster Yak said:
Partially, but I’m sure doubling his salary and AC pool had something to do with it. We are also talking about winning 6 games. Institutional support is not standing in the way of that.
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You just said we are where we are because of bad hires, not institutional limitations. I gave you a recent example of institutional limitations running off a good hire and you just 'whatever'd' me.
 
Buffarino said:
You just said we are where we are because of bad hires, not institutional limitations. I gave you a recent example of institutional limitations running off a good hire and you just 'whatever'd' me.
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No, I don’t see matching MSU making MT a top 10 paid coach in the sport an institutional limitation standing in the way of winning 6 games
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Hawkins was not due to institutional limitations. Embree wasn’t either. Was MacIntyre? Tucker certainly wasn’t. The only one who likely was, is KD and that seems more like an AD who gave up.
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Tucker 100% was institutional limitations. The unwillingness or inability of the institution to follow through on promises made when he was hired.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Hawkins was not due to institutional limitations. Embree wasn’t either. Was MacIntyre? Tucker certainly wasn’t. The only one who likely was, is KD and that seems more like an AD who gave up.
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Hawkins was a fraud and a little due diligence by CU at the time should have exposed that. Embree was hired because he was cheap which is very much an institutional matter.

While Tucker’s hire wasn’t an institutional failure, not keeping him 100% was.
 
Buffarino said:
Tucker 100% was institutional limitations. The unwillingness or inability of the institution to follow through on promises made when he was hired.
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Hiring Tucker was not due to institutional limitations. Keeping him was at least partially due to it, but he also couldn’t win 6 games. Again, I am saying there are no excuses and nothing standing in the way of this program winning 6 games consistently. Winning 7-8+ there is a good argument, yes
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Dude. Yes. I don’t know. That’s what Adam said. You can believe his source or not
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All you had to say is that you don’t know!

I don’t doubt that Dorrell is telling people the spin, so the source could be telling the truth (i.e. yes, Dorrell told the source that So’oto left due to familial concerns). The source’s credibility sorta hinges on his source. In one scenario, the source is being used to launder AD disinformation. In the other scenario, the source is providing insight into So’oto’s words upon departure. My feeling is that it’s the former.
 
manhattanbuff said:
All you had to say is that you don’t know!

I don’t doubt that Dorrell is telling people the spin, so the source could be telling the truth (i.e. yes, Dorrell told the source that So’oto left due to familial concerns). The source’s credibility sorta hinges on his source. In one scenario, the source is being used to launder AD disinformation. In the other scenario, the source is providing insight into So’oto’s words upon departure. My feeling is that it’s the former.
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Yes, this board will definitely feel it’s the former
 
manhattanbuff said:
Given So’oto’s rapid reply in dispelling the AD’s story, I don’t think it’s just about the board’s sentiment.
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After he’s signed a contract with Cal, yeah, there’s motivation to make sure whatever excuse he gave Dorrell for bailing on the program and leaving him in the lurch is dispelled publicly.

Dorrell, to me, simply doesn’t seem like a guy who is going to erroneously throw a dude’s family under the bus, when the “real” reason is going to be made public within 24 hours.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
After he’s signed a contract with Cal, yeah, there’s motivation to make sure whatever excuse he gave Dorrell for bailing on the program and leaving him in the lurch is dispelled publicly.

Dorrell, to me, simply doesn’t seem like a guy who is going to erroneously throw a dude’s family under the bus, when the “real” reason is going to be made public within 24 hours.
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Dorrell wasn’t throwing anyone’s family under the bus. He was attempting to make himself look better in the situation by labeling the departure as a family matter instead of being about Dorrell’s ineptitude.
 
manhattanbuff said:
Dorrell wasn’t throwing anyone’s family under the bus. He was attempting to make himself look better in the situation by labeling the departure as a family matter instead of being about Dorrell’s ineptitude.
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My point is he doesn’t seem like the kind of person who is going to bring a guys’ family into the equation out of nowhere.

It’s a he said/she said and you believe So’oto. Good luck.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Because of a string of awful hires, not due to institutional limitations
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The Alabaster Yak said:
Hawkins was not due to institutional limitations. Embree wasn’t either. Was MacIntyre? Tucker certainly wasn’t. The only one who likely was, is KD and that seems more like an AD who gave up.
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With the exception of Tucker they were all awful hires due to institutional limitations, and Tucker bailed the first chance he got when he saw the real limitations he would face.

Not saying the others were bad people or bad coaches but they were the options available under the limitations placed from above RGs level.

It was made clear that we wouldn't be flexible (compared to our competition) in terms of academics for recruits, we wouldn't be as flexible in terms of academic load, we wouldn't be competitive in terms of recruiting tactics (not talking about passing out bags but in other areas.)

Emree was absolutely due to institutional limitations. They wanted an alum and they wanted cheap. McIntyre was a guy acceptable because he ran and promised a "clean" program. KD was again an alum who they knew wouldn't ask to use the recruiting style that it takes to compete.
 
what a clown show. if it wasn't so personal to us shrinking number of actual fans/boosters, it would a tragic-comedy of epic proportions.

this is not the house that Mac built.

absolute tire fire of a situation, self induced.
 
MtnBuff said:
With the exception of Tucker they were all awful hires due to institutional limitations, and Tucker bailed the first chance he got when he saw the real limitations he would face.

Not saying the others were bad people or bad coaches but they were the options available under the limitations placed from above RGs level.

It was made clear that we wouldn't be flexible (compared to our competition) in terms of academics for recruits, we wouldn't be as flexible in terms of academic load, we wouldn't be competitive in terms of recruiting tactics (not talking about passing out bags but in other areas.)

Emree was absolutely due to institutional limitations. They wanted an alum and they wanted cheap. McIntyre was a guy acceptable because he ran and promised a "clean" program. KD was again an alum who they knew wouldn't ask to use the recruiting style that it takes to compete.
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I don’t care to rehash why each coach was hired, but CU fans needs to stop acting like Hawkins and Embree (the two coaches that ran the program into the ground from an on field standpoint) were the only options that would have accepted the CUHC job under the same circumstances. They were terrible hires that spanned 7 seasons and a conference change during a time when the Pac 10/12 was the “speed” conference running innovative, Spread offenses and CU was slow and running pro style.

Also, I will reiterate once again, that my I am talking about institutional limitations standing in the way of 6 wins. That has never been the case and it isn’t the case now.
 
MtnBuff said:
With the exception of Tucker they were all awful hires due to institutional limitations, and Tucker bailed the first chance he got when he saw the real limitations he would face.

Not saying the others were bad people or bad coaches but they were the options available under the limitations placed from above RGs level.

It was made clear that we wouldn't be flexible (compared to our competition) in terms of academics for recruits, we wouldn't be as flexible in terms of academic load, we wouldn't be competitive in terms of recruiting tactics (not talking about passing out bags but in other areas.)

Emree was absolutely due to institutional limitations. They wanted an alum and they wanted cheap. McIntyre was a guy acceptable because he ran and promised a "clean" program. KD was again an alum who they knew wouldn't ask to use the recruiting style that it takes to compete.
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KD isn’t an alum, but I know what you meant.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
After he’s signed a contract with Cal, yeah, there’s motivation to make sure whatever excuse he gave Dorrell for bailing on the program and leaving him in the lurch is dispelled publicly.

Dorrell, to me, simply doesn’t seem like a guy who is going to erroneously throw a dude’s family under the bus, when the “real” reason is going to be made public within 24 hours.
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0 credibility to the guy who bolted after 2 months on the job. He obviously lied plenty to get CU gig in first place.
 
goalline said:
I think he was worried about how this would be perceived by future job opportunities. He was careful to say he was willing to go anywhere to further his career. His remarks correct Dorrell, but the motivation was to say he’s open to opportunities outside of California.
If he’s paid better as Yak says, I expect that was the actual reason.
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If ****ing Cal is paying him more than we are, then Yak is 100% right. Wilcox is lightyears ahead of Dorrell as a football coach. I don't think any sane poster would argue that. They're the one AD in the conference with more issues than we have though.
 
GawainBuff said:
I put my head down for long enough to allow the seed of my CU fandom to begin to regrow, then another weedwhacker comes by.
How many more blights can this program suffer through? A brand-new, well-regarded assistant coach chooses to go to CAL for a lesser position, within two months of joining our "program," such as it is.

I don't know how many times I can bounce off "rock bottom" before I just go splat instead.
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The position is a parallel move, not a step down.

Cal has one of the most over-achieving defenses in CFB. Given that, it's a significant step up for someone still learning their craft and building their resume.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
My point is he doesn’t seem like the kind of person who is going to bring a guys’ family into the equation out of nowhere.

It’s a he said/she said and you believe So’oto. Good luck.
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He just did! So’oto confirmed it. Around and around we go.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Fwiw, Adam said his trusted source told him So’oto did tell Dorrell it was family driven.
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Which means that source heard it from Dorrell. So, one would have to believe everything Dorrell says on this. I think it is much more believable that he was being micro-managed by the DC, who has the Dorrell's backing.
 
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