ahoelsken
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Chatman being hired already and So'oto winding up at Cal make me think Dorrell pushed him out.
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So'oto pokes his finger at CU
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Yes I know what you said. I’m wondering in what world So’oto being pushed out after being hired two months ago makes any sense
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Maybe it’s not that crazy, what’s more likely?
1) So’oto left after just 2 months on the job for practically a demotion at Cal, then Dorrell lied about the reason he left and managed to find a replacement just days later, or
2) Something happened very early that caused Dorrell to want him out and told him to start looking for a new landing spot and when he did the school would say it was for “family reasons”. So’oto takes the Cal gig, and is pissed about being dumped so gives a little f**k you to CU on his way out knowing Dorrell won’t retaliate. This would also help explain why a replacement was found so quickly.
Just spitballing and either one seems possible.
Plausible
The timing seems odd that they both found replacements so quickly so could fit this theory. Although, I’m sure this probably all went down a while ago
Sure, there are a bunch of scenarios you can conjure up in your head. I guess I just don’t see any evidence of that being the case aside from Dorrell moving fast with the new hire, which can be explained fairly easily in that he was probably the runner up to So’oto in the interview process.
ASU would like to have a word.
And Pitt, and UCF, and Minnesota, and…
Wait, what does CU emphasize?
Correct. That’s losing to AF at home.
A little bit of a reach, but I think CU's 1 hope for an athletic turnaround in the next 10 years is Tad and BB. Much like Duke used it's BB sucess to build a better FB team (what, 8 - 10 years ago? It didn't really last).
We are the only school with 2 NBA head coaches, and if Tad would stoop to using that fact in recruiting, and ask his alums to push the CU program, we could possibly build a Final Four team. Bring in a top big man next year, and we might be there..
That type of performance would put CU in a different light and could help all our sports.
A bit of a reach, and I'm not betting on the idea, but we just don't have much else at this point.
We are the only school with 2 NBA head coaches, and if Tad would stoop to using that fact in recruiting, and ask his alums to push the CU program, we could possibly build a Final Four team. Bring in a top big man next year, and we might be there..
That type of performance would put CU in a different light and could help all our sports.
A bit of a reach, and I'm not betting on the idea, but we just don't have much else at this point.
Trusted source = Chandler.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Moving fast and the fact that he took an OLB job at Cal (he didn’t go to some blue chip program or take a DC job), and the bungled messaging about why he left - it seems more plausible that CU would make up that story in an attempt to disguise a firing versus lying to save face with a coach who wasn’t going along with the story.
I just don’t think the “he was pushed out” theory is all that far fetched given what we know. It’s only because we’re talking about a dysfunctional CU AD that option 1 is even plausible.
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And/or Arizona
I’d add to that theory that perhaps VS wanted to take liberties in recruiting that KD did not. Hence the irreconcilable differences.
Obviously just speculation but I’m trying to imagine how else the relationship could sour so quickly.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Yeah it would have to have been something pretty eye opening for Dorrell for that theory to be plausible so no idea what it could be - but yeah, it’s unlikely KD just decided it was a bad fit after 2 months in the offseason.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Is OLB coach at Cal such a step up from DL at CU that he would bail on an employer after 2 months? There’s got to be more to it. Either he was pushed out, or was shocked by how bad things are in Boulder that he was looking for anyway out.
I can’t imagine that Cal is any less restrictive in terms of academic requirements than us. I
I can see how a guy like S’oto and guy like Dorrell would butt heads.
I don’t think that any job on the CU football staff has been seen as being a very good job for a long time, and not just on Karl’s watch. The CU football program is an “any old port in a storm” type of deal IMO. And this is no overall slam on the Ath Dept. The other CU sports don’t seem to have the permanent problems that football has.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
You’d be hard pressed to argue that OLB coach at Cal is a clear step up from DL at CU. Neither is a high profile gig, and neither seems worth jumping ship after 2 months for. I also find it unlikely that a coach who was not pushed out, and instead bailed on the coach who hired him 2 months prior would feel the need to send a parting shot on Twitter in his way out the door.
I kind of agree, but a gig with Wilcox at Cal just seems like it’s probably more stable and at least less nerve wracking than a stint at CU, with its revolving HC issues, etc. In any event, people vote with their feet. Not sure why VS got his dander up over the “family” comment, but whatever……Jobs in the CU program are just not that desirable unless they’re obvious moves upward in responsibilities or money.
Cal under Wilcox has gone 26-28 with 2 winning seasons in 5 years. They’ve finished 5th in the P12 North three times, 4th once and 2nd once. Their attendance, fan and administration support is among the worst in the country and certainly bottom 2-3 in the Pac 12. Cal under Wilcox is has been about the same as CU under Dorrell/Tucker and MacIntyre.
It’s interesting to see people view Cal as a better place to be than CU
It’s interesting to see people view Cal as a better place to be than CU
Every fan base tends to view their program in a vacuum. Knowing all the little issues add up. Not saying CU doesn't have major issues, but CU's issues aren't just unique. Cal's issues are far ranging and much more so than CU's from what I know. I have no problem saying CU is in a better place as a football program and AD than Cal. About the only thing I would point to for Cal is Wilcox.
Do you know something I don't or is this a book/cover situation?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Wilcox seems to flirt with open jobs every offseason too, so I’m not sure how long he is for Cal one way or the other.
VS being pushed out is total speculation on my part but a lot of the circumstances don’t align with a guy just leaving on his own IMO.
His agent does seem to throw out his name every year. Which is weird as he just signed a fairly long contract extension so he will be there for a while unless a blue blood poaches him.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
And before him Dykes was doing that every year too - Cal has a way of finding coaches with wandering eyes.