My concern would be his general lack of experience. Two years as a position coach and two years as a coordinator at a P5 program. Obviously very highly thought of to rise that quickly, but he is definitely high risk/high reward.
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The 2021-2022 Coaching Carousel
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They are back to the level that Helfrich had them at for all but his last year. 7 conference wins being the norm. Recruited really well.Cristobal didn’t elevate Oregon.
Look at what they did this year in losing to Stanford, which was a BAD team. Getting pummeled twice by Utah and also winning some really close games vs Fresno State, Cal and UCLA. I think this is a top 10 talent team that played like a #25 team.
I don't believe he's elevated them to national CFB playoffs level. Cristobal seems like a good coach and great recruiter. But I don't see that he has shown that he's elite. Since you added about 112 laughing faces, please make your case. Did you watch them get embarrassed?
He is a good coach, he is not elite. My prediction is that he will last 4-5 yrs at Miami and he Miami will show only slight improvement
UtahaluminTX
Well-Known Member
Big time programs don't hire someone who has never been the HC before. We all know Ducks are not blue bloods - clearly their fan base isn't exactly on to that factoid yet. Also, compared to the earth shaking USC hire this was bottom of page 10 news. I guess the pope (Urban) didn't answer Phil's call.
Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Ohio State aren't elite?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Clemson?
Utah?
You said he did not elevate them. That means he didn’t improve them at all.
1) He had them in two NY6 bowls in 2 of the 4 years he was in charge.
2) He had them as an elite national recruiting power (Top 5) whereas they were mostly a teens to 20s recruiting team prior.
3) He took over a program that was mismanaged by Willie Taggert and Mark Helfrich the prior two seasons.
The Oregon program that Dan Lanning is taking over is much better than the program Mario Cristobal received. Their upside is also higher, especially since they’re already versed in the type of recruiting structure that Lanning will continue.
I laughed a lot because you made a blanket exaggerated statement. No need to reply.
They also just bowed their heads and accepted all of it.Very few coaches could hold that together. The egos in those coaching meetings.
BYU fan hack your account?
Agree but that is a big if.
a recruiting standpoint he seems to be able to sell the vision to highly ranked players.
I just have never been particularly impressed with how his teams play. They seem sloppy and undisciplined.
We will see. I’m not a buyer but I wouldn’t sell either.
By Elevate, I was comparing them to what Oregon fans were used to with Chip Kelly and every year under Helfrich except the disaster 1 year. They were only down 1 year under Helfrich and had an improvement year under Taggert (made a bowl). Nobody is screaming about what a great job Taggert did!
Cristobal's best season was actually year 2 when he went 8-1 in conference. Year 3 and Year 4 were not as good. Doesn't scream superstar.
Oregon was NEVER ONCE a top 5 recruiting power. In fact, they were not in the top 20 when he resigned!
He absolutely took over a program that was mismanaged by Willie Taggert and Mark Helfrich. But Helfrich's record was pretty much identical to Cristobal's except for ONE SEASON (the one where it fell apart). Nobody was calling him a superstar back then.
The program he got from Taggert was not in that bad of shape. They'd been recruiting top 20 for a long time. Yes, he improved recruiting. He also improved them back to the level that was standard under Helfrich, but not as good as under Chip Kelly. Numbers are there.
And NOBODY is going to claim that the PAC12 is tougher today than it was 5, 10, or 15 years ago. Competition is poor at the moment.
He made them better, he's a solid coach for sure. But he didn't "elevate them" to a serious national power and I think his Miami contract is paying him as though he did. That's big money and I have many coaches that I think are better. We will see.
Trogdor
Soy Boy
When a guy like Chris Petersen can't hack it anymore, there's perhaps literally nobody who fits the mold that the west coast programs all want. If a dude leaves in 3-4 for a bigger/better job, it's probably because he was winning. Kalen DeBoer is from South Dakota. Chip is from New Hampshire. Justin Wilcox doesn't exactly scream west coast coaching legend at this point.
Trogdor
Soy Boy
Right. He was the 4th coach in 20 years to win a Rose Bowl at Oregon.Cristobal didn’t elevate Oregon.
I say this is still risky, and USC will overtake Oregon in the PAC12 by locking in LA and Riley is a far better coach hire.
Trogdor
Soy Boy
Yeah, Lanning is a risk, but Wilcox? Come on. What has he proven as a head coach, that he wins 3 conference games a year? His experience as a head coach is as a loser. So the only reason Oregon should hire him is "he was a Duck"? This "logic" bouncing around that Lanning is bad hire because he had success blows my mind. I guess Oregon should have poached Karl Dorrell instead.
Trogdor
Soy Boy
Durrrr like when Ohio St hired Ryan Day, or Oklahoma hired Lincoln Riley or Bob Stoops, or Clemson hired Dabo Swinney?
Additionally, you're outright making **** up. I haven't spoken to a single Duck fan who believes Lanning will be here in 5 years without some kind of godfather offer, if he wins. USC with Riley > Oregon with Lanning. If you have to lie as part of your **** talking, well see the above image.
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Trogdor
Soy Boy
Every single one of Cristobal's classes at Oregon(until this one fell apart) was higher ranked/rated than every single one of Chip's at Oregon.
Yep. They can fill 2/3 of a class good enough to win the ACC without having to leave Dade & Broward.
You could certainly be right.
Two questions remain:
1. Will the U be able to turn the kids that are now going to Alabama, Georgia, etc. (NIL will play an interesting role here)
2. Is Cristobal a good football coach? I think his teams underperformed their recruiting ranking.
I don’t dislike the guy but I still think he is unproven.
Rob DeVere
Well-Known Member
Coming from a "know-it-all-see-how-smart-I-am" hack like you, I consider that a REAL compliment!
Serious question, Does Miami still have the boosters to compete with the SEC NIL $$?
My feeling is that the high flying, party, hookers and blow crowd that funded the U during the eighties heyday has dried up.
What are your thoughts?
Once again, Canzano proves that he knows nothing until he knows something (which is 5 min after everyone knows it)