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So far this summer I have seen only Colorado and Texas plates. I wonder if Texas would want you guys just to have another reason to infest our beautiful state a few times per year.
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So far this summer I have seen only Colorado and Texas plates. I wonder if Texas would want you guys just to have another reason to infest our beautiful state a few times per year.
It's good news for CSU to even be in the discussion. If they can make a case for themselves, all the better. I still think they're somewhere around 5th in a 2 man race, but this is the B12 we're talking about. Who knows what goes on in those guys' heads?
Is CSU really in "the" discussion? I follow conference realignment closely and only see the Rams even mentioned here.
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I've seen CSU mentioned.
From the mountain and pacific time zones, we usually see BYU, SDSU and Boise State listed as the most valuable G5s. That next tier is usually some order of Fresno State, CSU, New Mexico, UNLV and Nevada.
From there analysis usually comes down to whether the geography and politics work.
My suspicion is that at least one of the new Big 12 teams if they expand will be located on EST to pair as a travel partner with WVU. They might go that direction for both teams (Cincy and UCF would be my guess) in order to have something to offer the networks in the early time slot every week.
That'd save me about $500 month....
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david boren used to work for the CIA. he ain't afraid of Texas. i sorta like David Boren, Rhodes Scholar.....plus, he knows UT hoops is about to go on probation. CSU doesn't have a shot. as someone else posted....even when the Rammies are good they aren't a real media market. everyone knows this. he's jumping up Texas in this one....big time.
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Gotta agree with Hokie here. Outside of Buff and Ram boards and an occasional outlier article, CSU is not mentioned in any of the major discussions on national Sports sites and in Big 12 country. They are on the outside looking in at this point.
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What's CSU's mascot? Is that the school with the cool buffalo?
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B12 expansion: it definitely starts with Cincy. The 12th school would be interesting and would come down to UCF, BYU, Boise, Houston, Memphis and S Florida in close to that order. CSU is not in the discussion.
Pac 12 expansion: I don't see any interest in conferences going to 16 teams any more. I think that model doesn't work. I am intrigued by the ACC idea (if ND would agree to join for football) of 15 teams with three 5 team divisions. They would have to get approval for a championship game but I think the P5 conferences will get whatever they want. I really prefer 15 to 14. Scheduling is whacky with 14. 15 or 16 (4 team pods) allows you to get through the entire conference (home and home) in 4 years with a 9 game conf schedule pretty cleanly. 16 teams is just about impossible to add value with 4 teams without diluting the quality of the conference.
i would be interested in adding 3 teams, KU, OU and UT. I could also see a scenario where if the B1G takes UT that we could replace UT with NU who wants nothing to do with a conference member of UT. That is about the only teams that could be added by the PAC presidents. Mizzou would be another but they aren't leaving the SEC for the PAC. The problem is that it is almost impossible to get OU away from OSU and KU away from KSU with the way those schools are tied (one of the two share the same board of regents). I don't see the PAC presidents accepting a little sister whether it be Okla St, Texas Tech or KSt. They proved that when they rejected OU and OSU.
My preference is stay at 12. If you do expand, go to 15 with any combination of KU, OU, UT/NU. I don't want anybody else.
Pac 12 expansion: I don't see any interest in conferences going to 16 teams any more. I think that model doesn't work. I am intrigued by the ACC idea (if ND would agree to join for football) of 15 teams with three 5 team divisions. They would have to get approval for a championship game but I think the P5 conferences will get whatever they want. I really prefer 15 to 14. Scheduling is whacky with 14. 15 or 16 (4 team pods) allows you to get through the entire conference (home and home) in 4 years with a 9 game conf schedule pretty cleanly. 16 teams is just about impossible to add value with 4 teams without diluting the quality of the conference.
i would be interested in adding 3 teams, KU, OU and UT. I could also see a scenario where if the B1G takes UT that we could replace UT with NU who wants nothing to do with a conference member of UT. That is about the only teams that could be added by the PAC presidents. Mizzou would be another but they aren't leaving the SEC for the PAC. The problem is that it is almost impossible to get OU away from OSU and KU away from KSU with the way those schools are tied (one of the two share the same board of regents). I don't see the PAC presidents accepting a little sister whether it be Okla St, Texas Tech or KSt. They proved that when they rejected OU and OSU.
My preference is stay at 12. If you do expand, go to 15 with any combination of KU, OU, UT/NU. I don't want anybody else.
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The Big 12 are the bargain basement shoppers of conference expansion. It's clear that they aspire to pick a nobody instead of gun for a somebody.
If the Big 12 were serious about doing something other than rigging a vehicle for UT or OU to make it to the championships, they'd be more serious about retaliation.
Nothing would boost B12 credibility more than poaching from an other P5 conference as payback for drawing away ATM, Mizzou, Nebraska and CU (and Arky from the old SWC).
Deals that would really turn heads:
B12 strikes a deal to pull in 2 of these 3 SEC schools: LSU or Arky + Tennessee or Kentucky.
B1G schools: Iowa, Penn State (traveling partners for ISU & WVU).
ACC: Florida State & Miami
Make someone else grab Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Tulsa, some directional Florida school, BYU, CSU, Boise, ect.
All of the candidates being talked about for B12 expansion just seem like a limp dick approach that would only perpetuate the B12 joke.
If the Big 12 were serious about doing something other than rigging a vehicle for UT or OU to make it to the championships, they'd be more serious about retaliation.
Nothing would boost B12 credibility more than poaching from an other P5 conference as payback for drawing away ATM, Mizzou, Nebraska and CU (and Arky from the old SWC).
Deals that would really turn heads:
B12 strikes a deal to pull in 2 of these 3 SEC schools: LSU or Arky + Tennessee or Kentucky.
B1G schools: Iowa, Penn State (traveling partners for ISU & WVU).
ACC: Florida State & Miami
Make someone else grab Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Tulsa, some directional Florida school, BYU, CSU, Boise, ect.
All of the candidates being talked about for B12 expansion just seem like a limp dick approach that would only perpetuate the B12 joke.
Expansion / realignment chatter has definitely ramped up on the OU and Texas boards, particularly Landthieves, to the point where they are checking Flightware. OU fans seem to have a LOT of angst over the perception of the B12 and their crappy home schedule. Speculation is that the school thinks they've taken a big fundraising hit as result of those issues (though I'd think Occam's Razor would indicate that the more likely reason is their recent middling performance and the slump in the oil market). Cowherd made a statement today about the B12 getting divvied by the rest of the P4 leagues though I'd think its more likely he's just speculating given we're into the dog days of the sports season rather than he has actual sources. Finebaum retweeted it to stir the pot.
Cowherd is a d-bag sometimes but he is connected in the college football world. And the Big 12 being poached is honestly the most logical path, not saying it will happen though.
OU is pissed about the longhorn network. Think its been building for a while now. OU doesn't want expansion, they want out. UT is not the powerhouse they were in the 2000's, and their grip over the rest of the Big 12 is slipping.
So when the Big XII-ish disbands and the rest of the conferences go to 14 + teams, who gets Texas? And then when that (the one that takes Texas) conference disbands, I'm assuming we'll all go to 18 or more teams?
Texas is the Zsa Zsa Gabor of Athletic Departments.
Anytime before 2025, any team leaving the Big 12 has no media rights. This makes them mostly worthless to a new conference until we get in to the 2022-23 timeframe.
The Big 12 has bought themselves time to figure out the right path for expansion. They can watch to see if Cincy, CSU (puke, right?), BYU, or another school puts themselves in a position with the right investments and momentum to pull them in in the next few years.
The Big 12 has bought themselves time to figure out the right path for expansion. They can watch to see if Cincy, CSU (puke, right?), BYU, or another school puts themselves in a position with the right investments and momentum to pull them in in the next few years.
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Isn't that what lawyers are for?
I don't think that is true if more than half the conference gets poached.
The media rights issue can be dissolved with a 3/4 vote of the big 12 AD's.
so 6 of the 10 teams would need to vote for that. I know that Texas is "the big fish" but I would be perfectly fine adding TCU, TTU, OU, and OSU to the Pac-12. Let KU and KSU run to the Big 10 and boom 6 teams want out and Texas gets left to rot in Austin by itself.
Because I can't do math: WVU could go to the ACC and the SEC can have their choice of Baylor/Texas. to get the other two needed for the 3/4 vote.
so 6 of the 10 teams would need to vote for that. I know that Texas is "the big fish" but I would be perfectly fine adding TCU, TTU, OU, and OSU to the Pac-12. Let KU and KSU run to the Big 10 and boom 6 teams want out and Texas gets left to rot in Austin by itself.
Because I can't do math: WVU could go to the ACC and the SEC can have their choice of Baylor/Texas. to get the other two needed for the 3/4 vote.
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Is the Pac 12 still seriously thinking about expanding and bringing in Big XII teams?
I think its more of some big 12 teams wanting to be brought in by someone else.
I would doubt it unless another conference starts to infringe on the current markets (BYU and CSU) or the DirecTV deal doesn't go through with the new acquisition. The only other reason I can think of it a power play with the SEC to sort of say "We are the best conference with two of the biggest states for talent as well."
3/4 vote would be no less than 8 of 10.
Yep you are correct, forgive my early morning math error. Hadn't finished my coffee yet.