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the new world order for the pac refugees

Liver said:
so the evil deed is done. usc ****ed over the whole conference and themselves and here we are.

how is everyone going to turn out in the long run?

in no particular order, just covering all 12 lost souls...

1. usc. they will be fine. they have the resources, the support, and the footprint to be competitive. competitive, however, is not the standard. winning it all when you have added ohio state and michigan to your conference schedule has become a lot more difficult. and, the trojans appear to be very slow to respond to the way things are, as they are bleeding recruits. and, they cannot run the ball or play defense. they are screwed in the big.

2, oregon. in the age of pure mercenary drivers, the ducks will be ok. they will have to transition their game and play better defense and such, but lanning knows what they are getting into. this era was built for a nike team, although they are still going to have a hard time catching the leaders.

3. ucla. they are completely and totally and utterly ****ed for the foreseeable future. they do not invest in football; they are unable to compete in the current era. in the pac, if they had a couple guys, they could make noise. those days are now over. they are the cal or northwestern of the big.

4. washington. uw is basically going to be wisconsin or michigan state. once in awhile, the stars will align, and they will be in the mix. there are a lot more dragons in the big than there were in the pac.

5. utah. utah is foundationally built well. run the ball, play defense, and do not **** up. the b12 is weaker than the pac.utah will prosper.

6. arizona state. they have been stepping on their own swinging richards forever. cheat and correct. cheat and correct. they have a decent talent pool to draw from and their limited academics should be an advantage. they are going to underperform in the b12.

7. cal. they are completely totally and utterly ****ed. the whole landscape has seismically shifted and they have no answers. bless their hearts, they are vandy or northwestern at best if their programs survive. they do not have the will or the resources of their nocal partner-- this will end badly.

8. CU. it is of course a pivotal moment for our Buffs. we spent a long long time, even when we won some games, having a hard time balancing between what big time ball is and what our academic leaders perceive that it should be. we have more top end success than this new conference we are in. do we want it as much as some of the eager striving secondary or tertiary programs who are now our conference mates? i dunno.

9. Arizona. they fooooked. but are probably ok with it. it is a good bb league and they are adjacent to the elite club in that shorty pants game. so they will do what they. they are basically ucla with slightly more desire.

10. stanford. folks tend to forget. this is a small school with high academic requirements. their sports facilities are among the best, for every sport, across the board. the money is there but the culture and desire to win and their own perceptions of who they are will limit their upside. forever.

11. and 12. wsu and osu. they will be competitive at their new relegated level. the problem that they both have is they are now on the wrong side of the line. being relegated to the g5 sucks for them. thus, their fortunes and chances of punching their way up an out of this hell scape are not ideaL

**** YOU.

GO BUFFS.
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This is well done. I agree USC is in for an adjustment period, maybe just the # of guys leaving their program v. the guys that they brought in. Plus, the unknown at QB. There just seems to be a disconnect, and I'm not sure Lincoln Riley is in it for the long haul. Thereafter who comes in behind him? Certainly, it is a most prestigious football program in CA. I think they could bounce back, however CA have severe State Restrictions on HS football (specifically hindering development of Dline, Oline, and LB); and other schools have been raiding their skill players for a while. It could be a rough go in the B1G and a while before they get into the upper echelon of that division.

I agree that UCLA and Zona have serious problems given the bleak financial status of their athletic department finances. The media is exceptionally high on Zona and Brennan, but they lost a bunch. Their basketball tradition is established, but generally spotty in football. They never played in a Rose Bowl.

I think for UW, it is 50/50 or maybe 40/60 whether the Fisch experiment actually works. Fisch has a short track record.

I do think UW and OR will really lock up the Northwest, Northern CA and compete well for recruits/transfers in the west or who want back to the West Coast. So, I give them a shot.

Presently, OR has shots at recruits/transfers anywhere. Lanning looks great, but his tenure is short. If OR pops out, Lanning could be in line for an established SEC or B1G program. Certainly, Phil Knight would match or beat any salary. The consideration would be the impact of travel and moving to a place closer to more fertile recruit/portal grounds. In this scenario, it would be a competitive established program--Moore does not work at MI, Day loses ground at OSU, James Franklin term comes to an end at PSU, Brian Kelly leaves LSU, DeBoar flames out at Bama, then a few others in the SEC.
 
ahoelsken said:
I've got them losing to OSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin. They'll drop another game somewhere along the line.

Ducks won't make the CFP. These preseason top 25s that have them like at #3 are a joke.
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I got $1000 that says they won't lose 4 regular season games.
 
ahoelsken said:
My buddy is on the staff at OU, and they were glad when he left.

Combo of they're super high on the Arnold kid.....and Gabriel is so ****ing fragile.
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WTF are you talking about, fragile?! He played in 13, 12, 3(broken collarbone), 12 and 12 games. You just make **** up.
The Alabaster Yak said:
That’s fair. Oregon hasn’t played in many 20 degree snow games
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You realize Wisconsin now runs an air raid and Oregon is a power running team, right? How many snow games have the current UW players played in?
 
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CarolinaBuff said:
Speaking of which, how is he still eligible as a senior? He had the COVID year, and then was 2021 a redshirt season when he got hurt? But he put up impressive numbers for the Sooners. I still think Oregon makes the CFP. My bold (or not so bold) prediction for the season is that Michigan misses the CFP.
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JFC, the same reason as every other player who redshirted one year and got a free year in 2020. You have 5 to play 4, he redshirted in 2021, and 2020 didn't count for ANYONE. Do you count with your fingers?
 
GRM said:
Presently, OR has shots at recruits/transfers anywhere. Lanning looks great, but his tenure is short. If OR pops out, Lanning could be in line for an established SEC or B1G program. Certainly, Phil Knight would match or beat any salary.
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Rumor has it there's a side deal already with Knight to make sure he sees out the current contract. Similar to how Nick Saban had his mortgage paid by boosters for 20 years. Except a lot more. The buyout is also $20,000,000 and doesn't decrease.
 
Trogdor said:
You realize Wisconsin now runs an air raid and Oregon is a power running team, right? How many snow games have the current UW players played in?
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Yes, as evidenced by my previous post a few above the one you quoted.

Most of Wisconsin’s roster is still comprised of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Illinois, and Michigan guys, including the vast majority of their front seven and OL. So, yeah, most of them have.

I still think Oregon wins, and potentially by a decent margin. I’m just saying the weather in Madison in November can be no joke and something most Oregon players (or Lanning for that matter) have experienced.
 
Trogdor said:
WTF are you talking about, fragile?! He played in 13, 12, 3(broken collarbone), 12 and 12 games. You just make **** up.

You realize Wisconsin now runs an air raid and Oregon is a power running team, right? How many snow games have the current UW players played in?
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Dear ****ing Lord are you some sort of Oregon shill?
 
ahoelsken said:
Dear ****ing Lord are you some sort of Oregon shill?
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Season 2 Nbc GIF by The Office
 
MtnBuff said:
Love how a school that plays a little more than 2 miles from the San Francisco Bay is a part of the Atlantic Coast Conference.

At least the conference isn't showing that they don't know how to count.
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In addition to 4 ACC road games they also have a road game at Auburn so they'll definitely be racking up the miles
 
i like the under for oregon at 10.5 too. does this make me duck hater?
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Yes, as evidenced by my previous post a few above the one you quoted.

Most of Wisconsin’s roster is still comprised of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Illinois, and Michigan guys, including the vast majority of their front seven and OL. So, yeah, most of them have.

I still think Oregon wins, and potentially by a decent margin. I’m just saying the weather in Madison in November can be no joke and something most Oregon players (or Lanning for that matter) have experienced.
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It's such a played out narrative. Oregon plays in 105 degree temps in Arizona, they play in Pullman and SLC and Boulder, they play in windstorms and rain showers. But oh noes, it might be 20 instead of 45 in November!! My dad is from Superior. I worked at a hospital in Milwaukee for a couple months during winter. I understand Wisconsin weather. They're ****ing football players. If Wisconsin beats Oregon it won't be because it was cold or snowy.
 
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Trogdor said:
It's such a played out narrative. Oregon plays in 105 degree temps in Arizona, they play in Pullman and SLC and Boulder, they play in windstorms and rain showers. But oh noes, it might be 20 instead of 45 in November!! My dad is from Superior. I worked at a hospital in Milwaukee for a couple months during winter. I understand Wisconsin weather. They're ****ing football players. If Wisconsin beats Oregon it won't be because it was cold or snowy.
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Oregon plays and practices in cold and wet conditions frequently. Dry cold is far preferable to a wet cold. This argument that they will wither in the midwest winter is laughable. Especially since the B10 plays their game in the daytime by conference rule for that very reason.

What I do expect is that all 4 P12 schools will learn what real OL and DL lines play like and they go .500 in conference as their eyes get opened. I also expect the travel to be grind and all sports having a slight winning pct fall off because of it.
 
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I fully expect Oregon and UW to kick ass this year. The B1G is mid outside of OSU and Michigan.
 
Trogdor said:
WTF are you talking about, fragile?! He played in 13, 12, 3(broken collarbone), 12 and 12 games. You just make **** up
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Gabriel was in concussion protocol missed 2nd half of TCU and all of Texas in 2023. Also left 2024 BYU game concussion protocol.

DG plays with a lot of heart but those hits add up. So, i can see the fragile claim
 
Not Sure said:
I fully expect Oregon and UW to kick ass this year. The B1G is mid outside of OSU and Michigan.
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Wrong font? :ROFLMAO:

Both teams have new QBs. One has a new HC. Oregon replaces C, RG. UW lost 1/3 of their roster. I dont think either will be all that impressive.
 
the coldest i have ever been is in ****ing oregon. i spent a lot of time up there for work last year. it is windy, dark, and ****ing wet. i do not really understand how people live without any ****ing sunshine for months at a time without offing themselves.

so, yeah, i don't think midwest cold will be that bad for them. i do think the schedule is going to be a lot tougher for them then the pac has been. and, i think they are still not quite yet at the same level as michigan and ohio state.
 
also, uw is not on the same level as oregon--- new coach, etc. i think it is fair to surmise that oregon will likely out perform uw.

although, for all i care, everyone that isn't us can sleep with the fishes.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
Wrong font? :ROFLMAO:

Both teams have new QBs. One has a new HC. Oregon replaces C, RG. UW lost 1/3 of their roster. I dont think either will be all that impressive.
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Again, the B1G is mid. Outside of the two elite teams, UW and UO aren’t in any worse shape. Based on recent years recruiting, they are in much better shape than the rest of that league.
 
Mick Ronson said:
Gabriel was in concussion protocol missed 2nd half of TCU and all of Texas in 2023. Also left 2024 BYU game concussion protocol.

DG plays with a lot of heart but those hits add up. So, i can see the fragile claim
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Again, total nonsense. He's on pace to end up being top 5 in games played ever in CFB history. Is Justin Herbert "fragile" because he broke his collarbone?
 
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MiamiBuffs said:
Oregon plays and practices in cold and wet conditions frequently. Dry cold is far preferable to a wet cold. This argument that they will wither in the midwest winter is laughable. Especially since the B10 plays their game in the daytime by conference rule for that very reason.

What I do expect is that all 4 P12 schools will learn what real OL and DL lines play like and they go .500 in conference as their eyes get opened. I also expect the travel to be grind and all sports having a slight winning pct fall off because of it.
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First paragraph +1. Second paragraph wat? You think Oregon is going to lose 4 conference games in the regular season because of their lines? They have probably the 2nd or 3rd at worst combo of lines in the B1g. There are going to be 5+ guys drafted from those two units who will start next year. The DL depth specifically is absolutely insane.

Travel is going to suck, but is another 4 hours a week on a plane going to cause players to play worse enough to lose games? meh.
 
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