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Tom Herman - unemployed/still counting UT buyout money

White_Rabbit said:
Not to dismiss lawdogg's point, hard to work with doesn't seem ideal, but I'd venture to guess a lot of the top tier coaches are pretty hard to work with.

I mean even KD, vanilla as ****, had his OC of 3 games liking tweets about firing him. Head poked into too many meetings apparently

Looking at his Texas days, Herman did have Tim Beck as his OC for several years until the last year. Todd Orlando was his DC from Houston until the last year at Texas too. I almost wonder if that was booster forced to fire the OC and DC. Looks like his OC at Houston was Major Applewhite, who ended up getting the HC job at Houston after Herman left
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Wasn't Orlando fired?
 
manhattanbuff said:
I find vague “difficult to work with” notions to be difficult to take seriously, especially since it is based on speculation and innuendo.
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"Difficult to work with" is one of those things you say when you don't get along with the guy but have no real reason you can put your finger on and it's mostly based on your feeling or vibe. I can pretty much guarantee you that people will be saying similar things about Saban, Dabo, Kirby or even successful coaches in other sports.

It's a results oriented business where personal feelings have to take a step back and some people don't get that.
 
Jens1893 said:
I don't think there is one person on this planet who will tell you that Pep Guardiola isn't "difficult to work with" as he's an obsessed psychopath who is extremely demanding but at the same time he delivers results and breaks record like nobody else.
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I disagree. There’s lots of folks who don’t have the first idea who Pep Guardiola is.
 
Jens1893 said:
I don't think there is one person on this planet who will tell you that Pep Guardiola isn't "difficult to work with" as he's an obsessed psychopath who is extremely demanding but at the same time he delivers results and breaks record like nobody else.
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Translated for American audiences, Bill Parcells was a gigantic prick, but he won Super Bowls and turned around a few horrendous franchises.
 
ahoelsken said:
Todd Orlando. I thought I read somewhere Herman ****-canned him before he went to USC.
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Yeah.. I said he was fired, I was just implying it may have been a decision forced by the Texas boosters rather than Herman being difficult to work with

Sounds like it was more because supporting players and standing against racism might be a problem for big wig Texas boosters, which doesn't seem surprising in the least either
 
I know this is a bit of an 'asked and answered' question from above, but I still do think it's a good idea to be wary of coaches who had a certain level of success somewhere and apply that level of success to what they should be able to do here.

Yes, Texas is a ****ing looney bin. Still, if you're not making bowl games 4 out of every 5 years, you're not achieving what the average coach should do in Austin. We can't assume that Herman would be able to recruit to Boulder, we can't assume he would be able to get us to a point where we have better talent than our opponent 75% of the time, which is just the norm for Texas.

Which is not to say I'm necessarily against Herman, I am just wary of him.

Honestly, my ideal coach is someone who has shown that he can win with less than ideal circumstances. Problem is, I don't who tf with that kind of qualification is going to come here.
 
Alfred91 said:
I know this is a bit of an 'asked and answered' question from above, but I still do think it's a good idea to be wary of coaches who had a certain level of success somewhere and apply that level of success to what they should be able to do here.

Yes, Texas is a ****ing looney bin. Still, if you're not making bowl games 4 out of every 5 years, you're not achieving what the average coach should do in Austin. We can't assume that Herman would be able to recruit to Boulder, we can't assume he would be able to get us to a point where we have better talent than our opponent 75% of the time, which is just the norm for Texas.

Which is not to say I'm necessarily against Herman, I am just wary of him.

Honestly, my ideal coach is someone who has shown that he can win with less than ideal circumstances. Problem is, I don't who tf with that kind of qualification is going to come here.
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Uh, Herman went to, and won a bowl game every season he was in Austin.
 
Alfred91 said:
I know this is a bit of an 'asked and answered' question from above, but I still do think it's a good idea to be wary of coaches who had a certain level of success somewhere and apply that level of success to what they should be able to do here.

Yes, Texas is a ****ing looney bin. Still, if you're not making bowl games 4 out of every 5 years, you're not achieving what the average coach should do in Austin. We can't assume that Herman would be able to recruit to Boulder, we can't assume he would be able to get us to a point where we have better talent than our opponent 75% of the time, which is just the norm for Texas.

Which is not to say I'm necessarily against Herman, I am just wary of him.

Honestly, my ideal coach is someone who has shown that he can win with less than ideal circumstances. Problem is, I don't who tf with that kind of qualification is going to come here.
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Why do you ignore Herman at Houston?
 
Jens1893 said:
Why do you ignore Herman at Houston?
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Like I said earlier, I'm not anti-Herman.

I'm just cautioning against the notion that "well, they were stupid to fire coach x at school y because we would love to have him duplicate his results there here".

We are not Texas. Sadly, tbh, we're not even Houston of 2014. Any coach, Herman or not, would be coming into a much worse situation than Herman's ever been in.
 
Alfred91 said:
That's my point though. He should. That's the baseline for average there.

What's our baseline? Can we find someone to raise our baseline?
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He’s the most successful coach Texas had since Mack and was fired partly for non-football related issues that not only wouldn’t be a problem at CU but would probably be welcomed. And he was great at Houston. This better be RG if this guy even takes RG’s call.
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Alfred91 said:
I know this is a bit of an 'asked and answered' question from above, but I still do think it's a good idea to be wary of coaches who had a certain level of success somewhere and apply that level of success to what they should be able to do here.

Yes, Texas is a ****ing looney bin. Still, if you're not making bowl games 4 out of every 5 years, you're not achieving what the average coach should do in Austin. We can't assume that Herman would be able to recruit to Boulder, we can't assume he would be able to get us to a point where we have better talent than our opponent 75% of the time, which is just the norm for Texas.

Which is not to say I'm necessarily against Herman, I am just wary of him.

Honestly, my ideal coach is someone who has shown that he can win with less than ideal circumstances. Problem is, I don't who tf with that kind of qualification is going to come here.
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Duplicating success is always the concern. Proven winners that have done it well at multiple stops are always in demand and would be nearly impossible for CU to land. Herman has an excellent track record at almost every stop, and has out performed his peers that bookended his time at Texas. Urban Meyer and Art Briles are probably the only unemployed coaches that are a sure thing to win (and get you on probation a few years later).

Herman and Mendenhall, who many have triangulated around, are pretty safe bets to do well, but not guaranteed. Landing either of them is a different matter.
 
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