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Travis Hunter Appreciation Thread (Awards: HE12MAN, Walter Camp, Biletnikoff, Bednarik, Lott, Paul Hornung, AP PotY)

What the haters aren't going to focus on is that Prime is equitable and consistent with his praise of all of his players. He takes young men under his wing (Jimmy Horn, T. Brown, CSC), he finds NIL opportunities for his walk-ons (Charlie, Cam, YC), he celebrates his team and picks them up when they've made mistakes. It just so happens that his son is a top 5 all time CU Buff and people want to complain about nepotism.

Elway played for his dad, how many scouts, draft experts, gms were concerned about 'daddy'?
 
JMBuffs said:
What the haters aren't going to focus on is that Prime is equitable and consistent with his praise of all of his players. He takes young men under his wing (Jimmy Horn, T. Brown, CSC), he finds NIL opportunities for his walk-ons (Charlie, Cam, YC), he celebrates his team and picks them up when they've made mistakes. It just so happens that his son is a top 5 all time CU Buff and people want to complain about nepotism.

Elway played for his dad, how many scouts, draft experts, gms were concerned about 'daddy'?
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The fact that the record holder for almost every meaningful passing stat in CU history is about to be a potential top 10 pick, and we still have fans posting "daddy ball" is embarrassing, tbh.
 
JMBuffs said:
What the haters aren't going to focus on is that Prime is equitable and consistent with his praise of all of his players. He takes young men under his wing (Jimmy Horn, T. Brown, CSC), he finds NIL opportunities for his walk-ons (Charlie, Cam, YC), he celebrates his team and picks them up when they've made mistakes. It just so happens that his son is a top 5 all time CU Buff and people want to complain about nepotism.

Elway played for his dad, how many scouts, draft experts, gms were concerned about 'daddy'?
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I honestly had no idea that Elway played for his dad
 
Bread said:
I honestly had no idea that Elway played for his dad
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That's because, apparently he didn't. WTF! I had to fact check myself, I just looked it up and his dad, Jack, became the head coach the year after Elway left. My brain is blown...In my defense I was only 4 at the time and struggled to understand the intricacies of the West Coast offense.
 
FlaBuff said:
Just barely 35 then, are you?
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JMBuffs said:
That's because, apparently he didn't. WTF! I had to fact check myself, I just looked it up and his dad, Jack, became the head coach the year after Elway left. My brain is blown...In my defense I was only 4 at the time and struggled to understand the intricacies of the West Coast offense.
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@FlaBuff just 35 enough it seems
 
Bread said:
I honestly had no idea that Elway played for his dad
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He didn’t. He played for Rod Dowhower and Paul Wiggins at Stanford, Jack Elway coached at San Jose State until 1984.

Edit: didnt read the end of the thread.

Side note: Rod Dowhower ran the Bill Walsh offense at Stanford, as he took over for Walsh when he went to the niners. Rod Dowhower left after only one year to be the offensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos in 1980, as Red Miller wanted to modernize the offense. Unfortunately, the guy that the Broncos picked to run their shiny new Bill Walsh offense was Matt Robinson, who had played great as a backup for the Jets but who turned out to be a turnover machine as a permanent starter, which got Red Miller fired when Edgar Kaiser bought the team.
 
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The Alabaster Yak said:
The fact that the record holder for almost every meaningful passing stat in CU history is about to be a potential top 10 pick, and we still have fans posting "daddy ball" is embarrassing, tbh.
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Is that as embarrassing as continuing to talk about breaking records held by Sefo Liufau, Steven Montez, and Tyler Hansen?

I’m really just ****ing with you Yak, but if recency bias had a face, it’d be yours.
 
Best QB ins 25 years and we're all going to cry. Dude got some heisman votes and was up for a variety of national awards.

CU fans need to put on some blinders and get involved in the fun. I don't care what media whose spent the last 25 years ****ting on CU has to say, or fans of other programs who are pissed that we're doing it differently.

We are very quickly going to remember what it's like to not have an elite QB
 
Alfred91 said:
Is that as embarrassing as continuing to talk about breaking records held by Sefo Liufau, Steven Montez, and Tyler Hansen?

I’m really just ****ing with you Yak, but if recency bias had a face, it’d be yours.
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Recency bias? Is Shedeur not objectively the best passing QB CU has ever had, including Stewart, Hagan, Sal, Klatt, Detmer, Sefo, Hansen, Hawkins, etc? It’s not the most storied QB program, but he cleared all single season records and many career records in two seasons.

The broader point is that even from a statistical standpoint, he is among the program’s elite players, but he has meant so much more to CU’s program than people seem to want to give him credit for. Perhaps if this was 5 years from now and CU is a perennial CFP program and has a Natty, people would understand just how impactful he was in (re) building the program.

On the player Mt Rushmore of the program, he doesn’t quite make the cut, but he’s probably first 2-4 out from making it.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Recency bias? Is Shedeur not objectively the best passing QB CU has ever had, including Stewart, Hagan, Sal, Klatt, Detmer, Sefo, Hansen, Hawkins, etc? It’s not the most storied QB program, but he cleared all single season records and many career records in two seasons.

The broader point is that even from a statistical standpoint, he is among the program’s elite players, but he has meant so much more to CU’s program than people seem to want to give him credit for. Perhaps if this was 5 years from now and CU is a perennial CFP program and has a Natty, people would understand just how impactful he was in (re) building the program.

On the player Mt Rushmore of the program, he doesn’t quite make the cut, but he’s probably first 2-4 out from making it.
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Hagan is separate from all those other guys.
 
dio said:
Best QB ins 25 years and we're all going to cry. Dude got some heisman votes and was up for a variety of national awards.

CU fans need to put on some blinders and get involved in the fun. I don't care what media whose spent the last 25 years ****ting on CU has to say, or fans of other programs who are pissed that we're doing it differently.

We are very quickly going to remember what it's like to not have an elite QB
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It seems to me that there is more crying directed at those who just disagree with the process here, even though this represents a radical shift from what came before. It feels very MAGA-y in a way.

And, nobody is saying that players of the last 25 years deserve this, but they are saying that there could be some more consideration given to a number of very important Buffs players that did some pretty cool things as well. Like taking a team that was 1-10 to winning a National Championship in a six year span (at a time when the lack of NIL or the portal made that a hell of a lot harder to do). Like winning the Heisman while rushing for 2055 yards.

Like I said, I love Prime, and I love Travis and Shedeur, but there is a little lack of respect being shown to many great Buffs that came before. I consider a little humility to be an attractive trait.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Recency bias? Is Shedeur not objectively the best passing QB CU has ever had, including Stewart, Hagan, Sal, Klatt, Detmer, Sefo, Hansen, Hawkins, etc? It’s not the most storied QB program, but he cleared all single season records and many career records in two seasons.

The broader point is that even from a statistical standpoint, he is among the program’s elite players, but he has meant so much more to CU’s program than people seem to want to give him credit for. Perhaps if this was 5 years from now and CU is a perennial CFP program and has a Natty, people would understand just how impactful he was in (re) building the program.

On the player Mt Rushmore of the program, he doesn’t quite make the cut, but he’s probably first 2-4 out from making it.
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The Alabaster Yak said:
I got chastised a while back for suggesting he shouldn’t really count in the discussion of GOAT CU QBs if passing metrics were being used. There’s a reason he’s been a RB coach his entire career
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Let’s just agree to disagree before we get into all that. You can’t just say that passing is the only relevant statistic when CU didn’t ask their QBs to pass very much for the majority of the history of the program. Were they successful? Did they do what they were asked? Did they stand out from their peers? Much more relevant questions than if they threw for 400 yards on 35-50 passes.
 
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Alfred91 said:
Is that as embarrassing as continuing to talk about breaking records held by Sefo Liufau, Steven Montez, and Tyler Hansen?

I’m really just ****ing with you Yak, but if recency bias had a face, it’d be yours.
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Sefo was a great leader and a great battering ram in 2016, he was no where near SS2 in terms of impact. Not sure why you'd include Montez or Hansen in here, not even in the same realm.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I got chastised a while back for suggesting he shouldn’t really count in the discussion of GOAT CU QBs if passing metrics were being used. There’s a reason he’s been a RB coach his entire career
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I'm not chastizing you. If we look at winning and ****ing unbelievable athleticism, it's no comparison. The rest of those guys are stat padders in a different O. And Klatt and Detmer were in the early decline years.
 
NWD Buff said:
It seems to me that there is more crying directed at those who just disagree with the process here, even though this represents a radical shift from what came before. It feels very MAGA-y in a way.

And, nobody is saying that players of the last 25 years deserve this, but they are saying that there could be some more consideration given to a number of very important Buffs players that did some pretty cool things as well. Like taking a team that was 1-10 to winning a National Championship in a six year span (at a time when the lack of NIL or the portal made that a hell of a lot harder to do). Like winning the Heisman while rushing for 2055 yards.

Like I said, I love Prime, and I love Travis and Shedeur, but there is a little lack of respect being shown to many great Buffs that came before. I consider a little humility to be an attractive trait.
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Maybe CU should have retired Salaam's jersey before he passed away. Our institutions have a tendency to wait until people die before we truly celebrate them in the obvious way they should be celebrated (Pat Bowlen comes to mind as well). Maybe CU should have already retired Bienemy, Hagan and Figures' jerseys. Is that Prime's responsibility or is that laziness and oversight on the University, including Tharp, Bohn and Rick George? Showing respect to two modern day program GOATs doesn't mean there is a lack of respect being shown to the glory days players.
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Let’s just agree to disagree before we get into all that. You can’t just say that passing is the only relevant statistic when CU didn’t ask their QBs to pass very much for the majority of the history of the program. Were they successful? Did they do what they were asked? Did they stand out from their peers? Much more relevant questions than if they threw for 400 yards on 35-50 passes.
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That's fair, but it's also fair to look at the teams many of the old era greats played on compared to the the two teams Travis and Shedeur played on. It's a circular argument, but I still believe that the impact Shedeur has had on this program in totality is on the same level as anyone in program history.
 
Shedeur may very well deserve this someday upon reflection, but at least 5 years should go by for a person that did not win a Heisman

Travis deserves it, but I actually think the Spring Game is a lame place to do this because the Spring Game is about the NEW team.

Travis could fit somewhere this fall on his bye week.

Shedeur might fit in sometime in the future.

No need to rush this, no full judgement on IF Shedeur deserves this, just bad process
 
Robert Sorell said:
It seems more impactful to invite a guy back to honor him, after he's been gone for a while.
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Depends on how long "a while" is. I think the poor history of not honoring former players in a timely way is the root of the annoyance being expressed by program alums. I think Mason had been in the NFL over a decade before they got around to him. Salaam was honored posthumously, for crissakes.
 
Shedeur is the Chris Brown of QBs, without winning (or even playing for) a conference title, let alone a natty. 2 year transfer player. Outstanding #s. Some heisman votes. In talks for national awards.

Difference?
Brown - conference title, 8th in Heisman voting, 62-36
Sanders - no title (nor appearances), 8th in Heisman voting, Baylor win?, Unitas award

Both brought their team back from an 8 loss campaign, although only 1 of them was responsible for it.

Neither deserve their # retired, or both do. And if both do, then we're gonna need a lot more numbers.
 
ZandiBuff said:
Shedeur is the Chris Brown of QBs, without winning (or even playing for) a conference title, let alone a natty. 2 year transfer player. Outstanding #s. Some heisman votes. In talks for national awards.

Difference?
Brown - conference title, 8th in Heisman voting, 62-36
Sanders - no title (nor appearances), 8th in Heisman voting, Baylor win?, Unitas award

Both brought their team back from an 8 loss campaign, although only 1 of them was responsible for it.

Neither deserve their # retired, or both do. And if both do, then we're gonna need a lot more numbers.
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And if Brown had won the Doak Walker he would have qualified
 
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