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Mel Tucker leaves CU for Michigan State

BuffUp said:
After sleeping on all this. This is what I am most disapointed in with ot all.

#1 for a team to come after a coach that is "happy in his job" out of the blue and in a contract with said job. I almost think mel contacted them with some interest??? when the msu job came open...... still slimy either way.

#2 a school and RG took a chance on a coach with no head coach experience, one would think that coach would honor at least part of what he started to prove his value and worth..... slimy either way..
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#1 seems obvious, he was at least receptive when they contacted him. There's no other real explanation for why Fickell didn't get the blockbuster offer--MSU obviously took Fickell's rejection seriously, but not Tucker's. There's a reason for that--Tucker's rejection wasn't serious and he and his agent let them know it.
 
slystone said:
great perspective on captain transfer portal

www.si.com

MSU's Overpaying for Tucker Shows a Broken System

A coaching search in disarray threw a king’s ransom at a coach with a career 5–7 record—and it's not a rare occurrence.
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There’s a little something for all sides in this article. If you want to pile on MT, you‘ve got agreement. If you want to critique the lack of market engagement for players, you’ve got agreement. If you want to bemoan the Power 2 + Clemson model, you’ve got a huckleberry.
 
bigbang2 said:
When Embree was fired after two seasons, there was no talk of morality. Now that a coach decides to take the money and leave, the fans are now talking about morality. I get it, fans will be fans.

Tucker made the right decision to take the higher paying job. CU is getting $3 million dollars in compensation. The guy was a 5-7 coach, still unproven. His recruiting class was not even top 6 in the pac 12. Why are fans angry. I can understand players getting angry. But as a fan, I am not. RG should find us a quality replacement to fend off players transferring.
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It’s the good faith tour he did on the radio and the donors he did on the day he accepted the job that has people pissed.
 
The sun rose today even if it's difficult to see due to all that snow. I'm so over tomorrow already but it's a good time to put yourself in the shoes of Tucker.

You are trying to develop leaders for tomorrow. Would declining that MSU offer have still sent the wrong message to his players? Think about if you worked at Runza for minimum wage and McDonald's offers you a pay increase for essentially the same job. You know the area around McDonald's and it's closer to home. Do you still turn down the offer and work at Runza's? I don't think so and staying might have led you to thinking WHAT IFs and your work performance at Runza's goes down and you end up losing the job anyway and that McDonald's is fully staffed.

You can't blame Tucker for taking that offer. We just need to find our football version of Tad Boyle and if that happens, I would be happy with where CU is at.
 
hokiehead said:
For perspective, I don't view Tucker's lies much different than an AD giving a "vote of confidence" to a struggling coach only to fire that coach days later. E.g. CU's AD reportedly gave FHCMM said vote of confidence two weeks before firing him.

It only differs by degree, from my perspective.

AFAIK, Tucker did nothing to violate his contract, which allowed for an early exit without notice. The issue is only about his public comments.
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And how did getting fired work out for FHCMM?
 
Jalapeno said:
The sun rose today even if it's difficult to see due to all that snow. I'm so over tomorrow already but it's a good time to put yourself in the shoes of Tucker.

You are trying to develop leaders for tomorrow. Would declining that MSU offer have still sent the wrong message to his players? Think about if you worked at Runza for minimum wage and McDonald's offers you a pay increase for essentially the same job. You know the area around McDonald's and it's closer to home. Do you still turn down the offer and work at Runza's? I don't think so and staying might have led you to thinking WHAT IFs and your work performance at Runza's goes down and you end up losing the job anyway and that McDonald's is fully staffed.

You can't blame Tucker for taking that offer. We just need to find our football version of Tad Boyle and if that happens, I would be happy with where CU is at.
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This is more like you had never had a job and Runza hires you under a contract to make 5,000 Runzas and you were the only Runza maker they have. Then McDonalds offers to double your pay to $13 an hour and you take it and leave your boss and all the Runza lovers high and dry.

Oh, and what the **** is a Runza?
 
Jalapeno said:
The sun rose today even if it's difficult to see due to all that snow. I'm so over tomorrow already but it's a good time to put yourself in the shoes of Tucker.

You are trying to develop leaders for tomorrow. Would declining that MSU offer have still sent the wrong message to his players? Think about if you worked at Runza for minimum wage and McDonald's offers you a pay increase for essentially the same job. You know the area around McDonald's and it's closer to home. Do you still turn down the offer and work at Runza's? I don't think so and staying might have led you to thinking WHAT IFs and your work performance at Runza's goes down and you end up losing the job anyway and that McDonald's is fully staffed.

You can't blame Tucker for taking that offer. We just need to find our football version of Tad Boyle and if that happens, I would be happy with where CU is at.
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It’s fine if you want to accept what happened and move on. That’s up to you, but the analogy you offered - that is the standard one being thrown around - is not remotely on point.

For one, no minimum wage employee signs a five year employment contract, promising his/her services well into the future in exchange for promise of protected pay that only one person in the state gets.

Second, no minimum wage employee suddenly leaving their employment has this degree of power to damage the entire business, in this case, one just tettering on the verge of viability.

Third, no minimum wage employee is the face of the business, having promised that he alone sees exactly what this business needs to become wildly successful; any such employee is NOT a paid minimum wage.

Your analogy skips over the glaring lies inducing reliance from what became, essentially, captive customers, who are told this employee is so capable of creating the greatest product this company has produced, that they should sign an exclusive contract with the company, binding them not just to purchasing only this company’s products BUT also living at that company HQ for the next 4-5 years. Anyone with that power, upon whom so many people have relied, to their detriment, is not paid minimum wage.

This analogy also leaps over the obvious point of all of our wailing and gnashing of teeth: MT KNEW that his choice would harm others, damage the very program he was “committed” to - at a precarious time in that “rebuild,” and would be an overt lie to those he enticed to join the program through assertions of “I love you, man,” and he chose more money for himself in the short term over the weight of his word, character, and pain of those he “cared” for.
 
The Monk said:
I've thought for a while the best way to maintain parity in the NCAA would be to cap coaching salaries. It's funny to see how mercenary coaches are while they at the same time complain about the transfer portal.

I get MT's decision, it's the nature of the game, but II feel like there's more honesty in the illegality of buying/paying players than there is having a dozen to teams drown out resources with buckets of cash.
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This isn't a bad idea.

Although I don't know if I'd cap coaching salaries as much as cap football budgets (with some sort of adjustment for distance traveled).

The excess money schools get from their sports revenues can be funneled into other sports, or, get this, back into the academic side.
 
The Monk said:
I've thought for a while the best way to maintain parity in the NCAA would be to cap coaching salaries. It's funny to see how mercenary coaches are while they at the same time complain about the transfer portal.

I get MT's decision, it's the nature of the game, but II feel like there's more honesty in the illegality of buying/paying players than there is having a dozen to teams drown out resources with buckets of cash.
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I have been thinking that since well before we got ass-****ed by Captain Transfer Portal (I like that, whoever came up with it).

You get something like $7 million for your whole coaching staff. You want to attract a coach by paying him $5 million? You got $2 million to fill out your staff. You want to pay your OC $1 million, find the money from the rest of the staff.

The "haves" will never go for it, because it takes away an advantage they have over "have nots", but it would also address a complaint players have against the NCAA, that coaches are making obscene amounts of money off their efforts. I mean, they still will be, but this at least addresses it.
 
Playing with the idea that while the players may not be released from their LOI, they should be allowed to after a cooling off period. I would be good with some formula that penalizes (in this case MSU) a maybe 2 for 1 scholarship loss for every player that leaves CU. For every one player that leaves CU, MSU loses two scholarships the next year.

There needs to be some serious consequences to the poaching institution when they do something this late in the process.
 
I just can't stop thinking of Tucker's podcast. How he had one great Buff after another come into the studio, kiss his ass, tell him how glad they were that he was here and how excited they were for him to build a winner. Everyone seemed to believe in him, and believe when he talked about honor and integrity and being genuine and being a leader and how seriously he took his responsibility to the student athletes. How important he thought it was to teach the players to be men...

And what a load of horse**** it all was.
 
Joe Theismann's Leg said:
I just can't stop thinking of Tucker's podcast. How he had one great Buff after another come into the studio, kiss his ass, tell him how glad they were that he was here and how excited they were for him to build a winner. Everyone seemed to believe in him, and believe when he talked about honor and integrity and being genuine and being a leader and how seriously he took his responsibility to the student athletes. How important he thought it was to teach the players to be men...

And what a load of horse**** it all was.
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It's just CoachSpeak. They all do it. It's part of the job. Wise sports fan would do well to remember to couch anything a coach says with the imaginary introductory phrase, "As long as I'm here".....Kinda sucks but that's the reality.
 
Jalapeno said:
The sun rose today even if it's difficult to see due to all that snow. I'm so over tomorrow already but it's a good time to put yourself in the shoes of Tucker.

You are trying to develop leaders for tomorrow. Would declining that MSU offer have still sent the wrong message to his players? Think about if you worked at Runza for minimum wage and McDonald's offers you a pay increase for essentially the same job. You know the area around McDonald's and it's closer to home. Do you still turn down the offer and work at Runza's? I don't think so and staying might have led you to thinking WHAT IFs and your work performance at Runza's goes down and you end up losing the job anyway and that McDonald's is fully staffed.

You can't blame Tucker for taking that offer. We just need to find our football version of Tad Boyle and if that happens, I would be happy with where CU is at.
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I'm so sick and tired of the "anyone would leave for a job that doubles their pay" talk that is being peddled. I venture to say that a CFB Head Coach is vastly different than ALL of our jobs. At my job, I don't convince high school kids, many of whom could go anywhere they want, to come work for me, tell them I'll be overseeing their development for 3-5 years to help them land the big high paying job at the next level. I also am not tasked with traveling around talking to rich people and casting my vision for the future of my company in hopes they buy into it and throw financial support my way to help further the vision I just peddled. I also don't tweet at my boss, my employees and the rich donors assuring them that I'm committed to them, then bounce.

I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of an opportunity. But there are better ways to do it then how "Coach Transfer Portal" handled the situation.
 
One thing is certain. CU MUST increase its football budget. The last time I saw their budget, we were pretty much at break even where revenue matched expenditures. The only income stream we have that can go up, in the short term, is donations. Most of us don’t have the resources to make much of an impact, but I have to believe there are donors that can.

Paying a P5 HC $2.5 million doesn’t cut it anymore. If CU wants to “compete for championships” like they say, we must greatly increase our AD budget. If we can’t do that, we will always be who we are.
 
now that we’ve had one day to take all this in, I’m actually so glad that he’s gone. While we had high hopes, the reality is that we have the best AD in the NCAA and we just lost a coach who couldn’t even qualify for a bowl game. Funny that tucker seemed to use the same story and press conference lines he used with us. Give him credit for being good at marketing himself but not so sure he’s earned credit for being a good football coach.
 
RuffBuff said:
I'm so sick and tired of the "anyone would leave for a job that doubles their pay" talk that is being peddled. I venture to say that a CFB Head Coach is vastly different than ALL of our jobs. At my job, I don't convince high school kids, many of whom could go anywhere they want, to come work for me, tell them I'll be overseeing their development for 3-5 years to help them land the big high paying job at the next level. I also am not tasked with traveling around talking to rich people and casting my vision for the future of my company in hopes they buy into it and throw financial support my way to help further the vision I just peddled. I also don't tweet at my boss, my employees and the rich donors assuring them that I'm committed to them, then bounce.

I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of an opportunity. But there are better ways to do it then how "Coach Transfer Portal" handled the situation.
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I’m so sick of people who will never see one million dollars talk about how they’d turn down $18 million more to take a job with more favorable conditions for his direct employees...
 
If Im a Sparty fan, I don't think I'm so comfortable with the hire. D'antonio sticks you for 4.3 million and leaves right before signing day. That stings. Then the AD is getting shut down left and right in the coaching search, looking like a bunch of chumps. The answer? Throw all your money at a first year head coach with a losing record in a down conference. Seems like a huge gamble that makes a troubled program even more potentially unstable. I think MT was a step up for us at least in recruiting, and if he proved himself to not be a good coach we would part ways with a more talented team. MSU is treating MT like a proven commodity, when they paid top dollar for a hope and a prayer. The Pac12 should be in panic mode right now meeting non-stop trying to figure out how to increase revenue. We are quickly being left in the dust.
 
Here4hottakes said:
If Im a Sparty fan, I don't think I'm so comfortable with the hire. D'antonio sticks you for 4.3 million and leaves right before signing day. That stings. Then the AD is getting shut down left and right in the coaching search, looking like a bunch of chumps. The answer? Throw all your money at a first year head coach with a losing record in a down conference. Seems like a huge gamble that makes a troubled program even more potentially unstable. I think MT was a step up for us at least in recruiting, and if he proved himself to not be a good coach we would part ways with a more talented team. MSU is treating MT like a proven commodity, when they paid top dollar for a hope and a prayer. The Pac12 should be in panic mode right now meeting non-stop trying to figure out how to increase revenue. We are quickly being left in the dust.
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The team improved throughout the year, but MSU's problems seem to be on the offensive side of the ball.

Tucker couldn't produce an offense worth jack **** and he had a veteran offensive line with a 5th year senior and the best wide receiver in college football. You should be worried.
 
RuffBuff said:
I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of an opportunity. But there are better ways to do it then how
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Tell that to Slick Rick too. Would we have won the 2001 Big 12 title with Slick Rick whose heart might not have been into being the CU head coach?

On a positive side, after Slick Rick left, we got Gary Barnett. That led us to one Big 12 title and four North division championships. Perhaps the next head coach will get us out of the funk CU football has been in since 2005.
 
Jalapeno said:
Tell that to Slick Rick too. Would we have won the 2001 Big 12 title with Slick Rick whose heart might not have been into being the CU head coach?

On a positive side, after Slick Rick left, we got Gary Barnett. That led us to one Big 12 title and four North division championships. Perhaps the next head coach will get us out of the funk CU football has been in since 2005.
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I was thinking about that last part earlier today. We've been suffering for about 15-20 years from all the scandals at that time and maybe this is that moment that brings the program into the light from the darkness. This was actually a positive press event for CU, in the national perspective CU was the victim here. I mean we had Chris Fowler speaking about the Buffs for 5 minutes yesterday. Front page of ESPN with multiple articles. Maybe this galvanizes the fan base and boosters to get behind the kids, which is exactly what the program needs to turn things around. Maybe This charges the coaches and front office to make a real change to get over the hump - they may have to or the program might die.

This is a pivotal pivotal moment for the program. Teetering.
 
buff4bcs1985 said:
This **** has broken me... I've been up 41 straight hours. I can't sleep, I haven't wanted to eat anything. I hate how much this has affected me...
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You'll get used to it.

I was spoiled going from Howard Schnellenberger to Jimmy Johnson and had Don Shula as a fixture. When I got to CU McCartney will still there. In that era between 1980 to 1995 I watched my teams play in numerous mNC games and a Super Bowl.

Since then its been a disaster. CU went from Mac to Neu. Neu to Barnett. Barnett to Hawkins. Hawkins to Embree. Embree to MacIntyre. MacIntyre to Tucker. And now Tucker to Vacant. I cant even name all the coaches the Dolphins or The U have had.

The tenures keep getting shorter. The piles of money keep getting higher. At some point the amateur athlete and the mission of education seem to stray.

Once children entered my life and I started taking them skiing, coaching them in their respective sports, etc my Saturdays became spoken for and it became easy to let go.
 
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