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Mel Tucker leaves CU for Michigan State

MiamiBuffs said:
You'll get used to it.

I was spoiled going from Howard Schnellenberger to Jimmy Johnson and had Don Shula as a fixture. When I got to CU McCartney will still there. In that era between 1980 to 1995 I watched my teams play in numerous mNC games and a Super Bowl.

Since then its been a disaster. CU went from Mac to Neu. Neu to Barnett. Barnett to Hawkins. Hawkins to Embree. Embree to MacIntyre. MacIntyre to Tucker. And now Tucker to Vacant. I cant even name all the coaches the Dolphins or The U have had.

The tenures keep getting shorter. The piles of money keep getting higher. At some point the amateur athlete and the mission of education seem to stray.

Once children entered my life and I started taking them skiing, coaching them in their respective sports, etc my Saturdays became spoken for and it became easy to let go.
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Props to you for supporting the Buffs and Dolphins which has struggled much more than not of late.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I’m so sick of people who will never see one million dollars talk about how they’d turn down $18 million more to take a job with more favorable conditions for his direct employees...
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Money has diminishing utility the more you make. Doubing one's salary from 50k to 100k makes a much larger impact than doubling from 2.7 million to 5 million. Money does buy happiness but only up until a certain point.
 
buffbuffpass said:
Money has diminishing utility the more you make. Doubing one's salary from 50k to 100k makes a much larger impact than doubling from 2.7 million to 5 million. Money does buy happiness but only up until a certain point.
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Nope. $18 million is generation changing money. He’s getting $5.5mm for six years with a mega AC budget. If it were just the extra $18 million, that’s one thing. A top 7 AC budget is a game changer in this sport.
 
Jalapeno said:
Tell that to Slick Rick too. Would we have won the 2001 Big 12 title with Slick Rick whose heart might not have been into being the CU head coach?

On a positive side, after Slick Rick left, we got Gary Barnett. That led us to one Big 12 title and four North division championships. Perhaps the next head coach will get us out of the funk CU football has been in since 2005.
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Let's hope. I'm hopeful. It still sucks to be jilted. Again, I don't blame anyone for bettering theirs and their families situation...but if you preach integrity, practice it in how you do things, otherwise your message rings hollow.
 
RuffBuff said:
Let's hope. I'm hopeful. It still sucks to be jilted. Again, I don't blame anyone for bettering theirs and their families situation...but if you preach integrity, practice it in how you do things, otherwise your message rings hollow.
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Just wait until Michigan State struggles at some point. It will be a big dumpster fire there. How did things turn out for Wake Forest with Bdzelik and CU with Boyle.

Bdzelik was able to get CU to build the basketball practice facility and Tucker might be leaving a similar outcome for football.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I’m so sick of people who will never see one million dollars talk about how they’d turn down $18 million more to take a job with more favorable conditions for his direct employees...
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I'm not sure though that the AC pay bump is necessarily him getting favorable conditions for his employees, or just making his job easier by getting better ACs.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I’m so sick of people who will never see one million dollars talk about how they’d turn down $18 million more to take a job with more favorable conditions for his direct employees...
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C'mon man. It's fair to say MSU's offer was so much of a raise that no one would refuse it (I disagree with it but it is fair to say). But let's not cast Tucker as some benevolent direct supervisor looking out for his direct reports. Most of his direct reports here will not be invited to join him. And then there are the players, a different type of direct reports, who he dicked over on his way out the door. (Again, it is fair to say "anyone would have done it," but we can't really argue whether he dicked over the players, especially the 2020 class.)

I think you may be trying to say that part of Tucker's motivation was more money to retain better direct reports. That's probably true and a different sentiment than "to take a job with more favorable conditions for his direct reports."
 
Jalapeno said:
Just wait until Michigan State struggles at some point. It will be a big dumpster fire there. How did things turn out for Wake Forest with Bdzelik and CU with Boyle.

Bdzelik was able to get CU to build the basketball practice facility and Tucker might be leaving a similar outcome for football.
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Like I said, I'm hopeful and honestly feel that CU will be fine in the long run. It still sucks how it went down.

For example, my first wife and biological mother to my children died in her sleep almost 6 years ago, leaving me with 12 day old twins still in the NICU and an almost 2 year old boy. I've since remarried to a wonderful woman who is an amazing wife and mother. Am I happy that my first love and my children's mother had to die in order for my life to look like it does today? Heck no. It sucked and I wish it didn't happen. Am I happy now? Yes!

Yesterday can suck and sting for quite a long time at the same time we can be hopeful for good things ahead.
 
azbuff said:
C'mon man. It's fair to say MSU's offer was so much of a raise that no one would refuse it (I disagree with it but it is fair to say). But let's not cast Tucker as some benevolent direct supervisor looking out for his direct reports. Most of his direct reports here will not be invited to join him. And then there are the players, a different type of direct reports, who he dicked over on his way out the door. (Again, it is fair to say "anyone would have done it," but we can't really argue whether he dicked over the players, especially the 2020 class.)

I think you may be trying to say that part of Tucker's motivation was more money to retain better direct reports. That's probably true and a different sentiment than "to take a job with more favorable conditions for his direct reports."
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I don’t view him benevolently. He wants to win. More money for assistants is a major correlation to success in this sport.
 
As with most jobs, there’s a good time to leave and a bad time to leave. Not everyone cares about leaving at the right time anymore, but many people still do. He might’ve been able to salvage relationships had he just stayed quiet and/or cooled on the fundraising trips or promises to 17-18 year olds in the last few days. You can choose to chase money, but act with some integrity on the way out.

Anyway, I’m sure he regrets how he handled it, as was evident with how poorly his introductory press conference went. I’m sure he’ll move on and be fine in the long run, as will the Buffs.
 
RuffBuff said:
Like I said, I'm hopeful and honestly feel that CU will be fine in the long run. It still sucks how it went down.

For example, my first wife and biological mother to my children died in her sleep almost 6 years ago, leaving me with 12 day old twins still in the NICU and an almost 2 year old boy. I've since remarried to a wonderful woman who is an amazing wife and mother. Am I happy that my first love and my children's mother had to die in order for my life to look like it does today? Heck no. It sucked and I wish it didn't happen. Am I happy now? Yes!

Yesterday can suck and sting for quite a long time at the same time we can be hopeful for good things ahead.
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Just an aside; every time I see your avatar I've wondered how you were doing. Apparently that's been six years - wow. Hard to imagine what you had to go through - really glad to hear you've survived an unspeakable tragedy and are happy now...
 
Jello Bear said:
Just an aside; every time I see your avatar I've wondered how you were doing. Apparently that's been six years - wow. Hard to imagine what you had to go through - really glad to hear you've survived an unspeakable tragedy and are happy now...
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Thank you so much. Grief is hard and it takes a lot of hard work to travel that journey. It never ends, but it changes. After tragedy and loss, it is possible to choose joy, happiness and life again.
 
CUwhit21 said:
As with most jobs, there’s a good time to leave and a bad time to leave. Not everyone cares about leaving at the right time anymore, but many people still do. He might’ve been able to salvage relationships had he just stayed quiet and/or cooled on the fundraising trips or promises to 17-18 year olds in the last few days. You can choose to chase money, but act with some integrity on the way out.

Anyway, I’m sure he regrets how he handled it, as was evident with how poorly his introductory press conference went. I’m sure he’ll move on and be fine in the long run, as will the Buffs.
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I think the press conference happened when he realized that with great reward comes great responsibility. He was diving in the Scrooge McDuck bank vault in his mind until reality hit that he's got a lot of work ahead of him. The expectations were raised more exponentially than the money.
 
Hate Saban even more now! Stay in your lane! May you get your a** rolled every year by Clemson and LSU! Karma!

Alabama HC Nick Saban "had a role" in Michigan State's sudden HC hiring process, writes Sam Cooper of Yahoo Sports.
 
HolyBuff said:
Hate Saban even more now! Stay in your lane! May you get your a** rolled every year by Clemson and LSU! Karma!

Alabama HC Nick Saban "had a role" in Michigan State's sudden HC hiring process, writes Sam Cooper of Yahoo Sports.
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I read the same thing. Douche! Now he’s pushing Sarkisian on the Buffs. Apparently being discussed now.
 
HolyBuff said:
Hate Saban even more now! Stay in your lane! May you get your a** rolled every year by Clemson and LSU! Karma!

Alabama HC Nick Saban "had a role" in Michigan State's sudden HC hiring process, writes Sam Cooper of Yahoo Sports.
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Saban is just butt-hurt that Alfano beat feet out of town, only to land at CU
 
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HolyBuff said:
Hate Saban even more now! Stay in your lane! May you get your a** rolled every year by Clemson and LSU! Karma!

Alabama HC Nick Saban "had a role" in Michigan State's sudden HC hiring process, writes Sam Cooper of Yahoo Sports.
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Why would Saban "stay in his lane?"
 
why does he need to be involved in another school's coaching search that doesn't directly involve his current coaching staff?? I get that Tucker was previously on his staff but damn!
 
HolyBuff said:
Hate Saban even more now! Stay in your lane! May you get your a** rolled every year by Clemson and LSU! Karma!

Alabama HC Nick Saban "had a role" in Michigan State's sudden HC hiring process, writes Sam Cooper of Yahoo Sports.
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Does Saban have a lane?

I thought he was the majority owner of the FBS, and that Dabo had a minority stake.
 
absinthe said:
The kind of crazy market created by a free labor pool
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Again, I disagree with this standard “free market” idiom, as it purposefully ignores one of the essential bases of a functioning “free market”: the binding nature of contracts. Everyone seems to skip over this part of the present problem.
A “free market” is only “free” when the parties have faith there is an ability to enforce mutual agreements; otherwise, we merely exist in some Hobbsean state of nature: i.e., “we should keep our covenants (so long as there is a common power to enforce them).”

The present system is cresting toward acceptability of unilateral breach of contracts, by those with so much money contract terms (and liquidated damages provisions) are meaningless to enforce the spirit of the agreement.
As in criminal law, we are moving toward the place where if you have enough money, you can get out of any liability.

Even the “free market” breaks down when contracts are meaningless.

Of course, all of this presumes that a “free market” is the point of the system, which it isn’t. The NFL, just for one example, operates under a strict collective bargaining agreement. It is not a “free market.” College athletics are strictly regulated as to movement of athletes, but not as to coaches.

Amazingly, there may be a simple solution to this lack of oversight or rules re movement of coaches, which derives from the essence of contract law (and was mentioned by RG): stop the accepted “norm” of granting other schools permission to talk to your coach about other jobs.

Absent that waiver, such conduct can be considered “tortious interference,” subject to actual, substantial damages.

If you truly desire a “free market,” people should be held to the obligations they are “free” to choose to enter into.
 
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