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2020-2021 Bowl Games Thread

How about none of the above.

College football does not need to, nor will it be helped by trying to imitate the NFL.

Other than the fact that a lot of people enjoy watching them lose and lose big did anyone really consider the ND-Alabama game a "playoff." Did ND even consider mention as potentially the best team in the nation this year.

Had ND won that game it would have been because Bama was missing a bunch of guys due to Covid or some other event. Nobody really thinks that ND was the best team over the course of this year. If they won it would nave been timing and dumb luck.

I'm not interested in a college champion based on timing and dumb luck.
There’s an argument that expanding the playoff would create more opportunity for more teams which will lead to blue chip recruits not being so focused on going to the 2-3 programs every year, and start spreading talent out, and subsequently creating more competitive balance.

The current system is broken
 
There’s an argument that expanding the playoff would create more opportunity for more teams which will lead to blue chip recruits not being so focused on going to the 2-3 programs every year, and start spreading talent out, and subsequently creating more competitive balance.

The current system is broken
That argument was made to justify moving from the old system to the current playoff system. It hasn't worked that way. No reason to believe that more of the same will produce different results.

Under the old system you had multiple top teams finish the season on a high note (Rose Bowl Champ, Orange Bowl Champ, Sugar Bowl Champ, etc.) then the discussion about who had the best overall season. While it wasn't a clean finish it provided a whole off-season of discussion and multiple teams with a positive ending.

Now two or three teams contend, everyone else gets crushed or is an also ran, and all the top recruits gravitate to Bama, Clemson, tOSU.

Leave the multi-round playoffs with multi-loss teams to the pros. Let college football be the special thing that it has been. We don't need the SEC #3 team in a playoff to determine who that years best team was.
 
That argument was made to justify moving from the old system to the current playoff system. It hasn't worked that way. No reason to believe that more of the same will produce different results.

Under the old system you had multiple top teams finish the season on a high note (Rose Bowl Champ, Orange Bowl Champ, Sugar Bowl Champ, etc.) then the discussion about who had the best overall season. While it wasn't a clean finish it provided a whole off-season of discussion and multiple teams with a positive ending.

Now two or three teams contend, everyone else gets crushed or is an also ran, and all the top recruits gravitate to Bama, Clemson, tOSU.

Leave the multi-round playoffs with multi-loss teams to the pros. Let college football be the special thing that it has been. We don't need the SEC #3 team in a playoff to determine who that years best team was.
you’re basically saying that because you can’t have the bcs system back, you’d rather watch Alabama, Clemson and tOSU compete for the natty every year, instead of try to create a system that promotes some kind of competitive balance
 
There’s an argument that expanding the playoff would create more opportunity for more teams which will lead to blue chip recruits not being so focused on going to the 2-3 programs every year, and start spreading talent out, and subsequently creating more competitive balance.

The current system is broken
seconded

Just go straight to 16 - not 8 for a decade first.

And I actually think it should just go to 32. That's roughly the number of bowls out there right now.

For the college/amateurism angle argument, that would mean we should abolish the NCAA BBall tourney and just have more Maui Internationals after the end of the conference championships in basketball.
 
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you’re basically saying that because you can’t have the bcs system back, you’d rather watch Alabama, Clemson and tOSU compete for the natty every year, instead of try to create a system that promotes some kind of competitive balance
No, I'm saying it doesn't do anything for me to watch Bama lay 50 on the second place team in the B12 in the name of a "playoff."

When we went to a two team Championship game it didn't promote competitive balance, going to four hasn't promoted competitive balance. The evidence works against your argument.

I'd much rather watch multiple games that mean something to the fans and the players than a bunch of meaningless blowouts in the name of a "playoff" looking for and "upset" which generally means that the team that was better all year gets eliminated by someone who shouldn't be in the discussion.

Again if you want playoffs go watch that thrilling match-up between Washington and Tampa Bay or New Orleans and Chicago.
 
No, I'm saying it doesn't do anything for me to watch Bama lay 50 on the second place team in the B12 in the name of a "playoff."

When we went to a two team Championship game it didn't promote competitive balance, going to four hasn't promoted competitive balance. The evidence works against your argument.

I'd much rather watch multiple games that mean something to the fans and the players than a bunch of meaningless blowouts in the name of a "playoff" looking for and "upset" which generally means that the team that was better all year gets eliminated by someone who shouldn't be in the discussion.

Again if you want playoffs go watch that thrilling match-up between Washington and Tampa Bay or New Orleans and Chicago.
You’re deliberately ignoring the argument of talent dispersion if more teams are relevant each year, which in this case, means playing in a playoff. This isn’t going to happen overnight, but the idea has merit. You’re advocating for something that doesn’t exist anymore and will never exist again.

What’s your solution?
 
You’re deliberately ignoring the argument of talent dispersion if more teams are relevant each year, which in this case, means playing in a playoff. This isn’t going to happen overnight, but the idea has merit. You’re advocating for something that doesn’t exist anymore and will never exist again.

What’s your solution?
I know that the solution is not to concentrate the focus and attention to the top few teams and that is what the playoff has done.

You are ignoring the fact that the playoff, which was argued to spread the talent, has actually led to it being more concentrated.

No we aren't going back to the old system but going to a bigger playoff will just result in a bigger farce and more concentration.

For top recruits which is the more interesting pitch if you are say Oklahoma.
A. We got our a**es kicked three years in a row and then this year got ignored. or
B. We were the Orange Bowl champ and finished ranked #4 but think we should have been higher.

The playoff has resulted in everyone but a couple of teams being pitch A.

I know you love playoffs and you have a right to your opinion but if your argument is that playoffs result in equaling the field the answer is no, the evidence points the other direction.

By the way those in favor of a bigger playoff try to use basketball as an argument, That tourney is now 68 teams. How many of the top 15 or 20 recruits end up anywhere but the top few programs. Most of the teams in the tourney don't bother to make travel plans past the first round, no need.
 
I know that the solution is not to concentrate the focus and attention to the top few teams and that is what the playoff has done.

You are ignoring the fact that the playoff, which was argued to spread the talent, has actually led to it being more concentrated.

No we aren't going back to the old system but going to a bigger playoff will just result in a bigger farce and more concentration.

For top recruits which is the more interesting pitch if you are say Oklahoma.
A. We got our a**es kicked three years in a row and then this year got ignored. or
B. We were the Orange Bowl champ and finished ranked #4 but think we should have been higher.

The playoff has resulted in everyone but a couple of teams being pitch A.

I know you love playoffs and you have a right to your opinion but if your argument is that playoffs result in equaling the field the answer is no, the evidence points the other direction.

By the way those in favor of a bigger playoff try to use basketball as an argument, That tourney is now 68 teams. How many of the top 15 or 20 recruits end up anywhere but the top few programs. Most of the teams in the tourney don't bother to make travel plans past the first round, no need.
Going from BCS to a very small, limited playoff where only a handful of teams have chance every year concentrated the talent. There is no evidence that suggests expanding to a larger playoff would continue that trend. In fact, most people believe it would have the opposite affect, but it wouldn’t happen over night.

I get it, you want the old system back yada yada yada. It’s not coming back. The current system sucks. What’s your solution?
 
There’s an argument that expanding the playoff would create more opportunity for more teams which will lead to blue chip recruits not being so focused on going to the 2-3 programs every year, and start spreading talent out, and subsequently creating more competitive balance.

The current system is broken
This!!👆👆
 
seconded

Just go straight to 16 - not 8 for a decade first.

And I actually think it should just go to 32. That's roughly the number of bowls out there right now.

For the college/amateurism angle argument, that would mean we should abolish the NCAA BBall tourney and just have more Maui Internationals after the end of the conference championships in basketball.
I’ve never understood why the playoffs and bowls need to be in the same discussion. If CU doesn’t make the playoffs I would still watch them in a bowl game.
Make it a 16 team playoff and select from the teams that don’t make the playoffs for the bowls. It would be a win win win.
 
As with ESPN talking heads, Klatt is part of the issue.
How so? The nature of his job forces him to talk about the playoff and top teams more than the middling and have nots, but of all the CFB media he has been the most consistent and outspoken that the current system is trash, the SEC and ACC are top heavy and mostly mediocre top to bottom, and he has routinely talked about the lack of parity needing to change.
 
How so? The nature of his job forces him to talk about the playoff and top teams more than the middling and have nots, but of all the CFB media he has been the most consistent and outspoken that the current system is trash, the SEC and ACC are top heavy and mostly mediocre top to bottom, and he has routinely talked about the lack of parity needing to change.

Nothing is stopping him or the network he works for from dialing back playoff talk. Nothing.
 
Nothing is stopping him or the network he works for from dialing back playoff talk. Nothing.
I mean, of course they’re going to talk about it. That’s the nature of the job covering the sport of CFB, but Joel’s been banging the table for the narrative to change for a while now.
 
I could be talked into 8 but 12-16 would be awful. Nothing beats the intensity of the college football season and the stress that losing one game could knock you out of winning the national championship.
 
I mean, of course they’re going to talk about it. That’s the nature of the job covering the sport of CFB, but Joel’s been banging the table for the narrative to change for a while now.

And that is why nothing will change. But hey, you go Joel!
 
I like to see expansion. If i were king, I'd expand it to 7. Number 1 team gets a bye. P5 conference champs get in so long as they are ranked in the top 10. The other spots are at-large.
 
I like to see expansion. If i were king, I'd expand it to 7. Number 1 team gets a bye. P5 conference champs get in so long as they are ranked in the top 10. The other spots are at-large.
Good idea. I actually think 6 with two bye weeks would be almost perfect. All P5 champs and best G5 team. Regular season is still important to get the bye week but allows the perfect amount of competition. Not as perfect as P5 consolidation where the big 12 splits into the other four and you essentially have an 8 team playoff with the conference championships and then the playoff, but close.
 
Nothing is stopping him or the network he works for from dialing back playoff talk. Nothing.
I am actually surprised that ESPN doesn't push their people to talk more about the other games.

The playoff games are going to get their audience. The network puts out a substantial amount of money to have those games filling those time slots.

I would think they would want to drive added viewership to the other games. It wouldn't detract from their playoff audience and it would make those games more valuable
 
Going from BCS to a very small, limited playoff where only a handful of teams have chance every year concentrated the talent. There is no evidence that suggests expanding to a larger playoff would continue that trend. In fact, most people believe it would have the opposite affect, but it wouldn’t happen over night.

I get it, you want the old system back yada yada yada. It’s not coming back. The current system sucks. What’s your solution?
Most people meaning your adamant stance.

The evidence so far is that expanding a playoff hasn't spread the talent. Basketball has shown us that an expanded tourney doesn't spread the talent.

Your opinion doesn't equal most people. It may equal some people but those are the ones who want a bigger playoff.

What the evidence also shows is that an expanded playoff makes early season games less relevant. Start adding two and three loss teams and quickly those big OOC match-ups cease to be elimination games,

Even with four this year having Notre Dame in the bracket was an absolute joke considering that they had just lost to another team in the bracket.
 
Nothing is stopping him or the network he works for from dialing back playoff talk. Nothing.
That's like saying before the playoff that the networks should talk more about the Las Vegas bowl rather than the Rose Bowl.
 
It is a media-driven issue.
I honestly don’t understand your stance on this. I get it’s convenient to blame the networks and analysts for talking about the playoff so much, but as soon as it was created, it became all that mattered.

Now that we live in the CFP world, what’s the next step? How do we create some semblance of parity and competitive balance going forward? And no, Joel Klatt and others toning down the CFP conversation and ramping up the “other bowls” conversation ain’t it.
 
I honestly don’t understand your stance on this. I get it’s convenient to blame the networks and analysts for talking about the playoff so much, but as soon as it was created, it became all that mattered.

Now that we live in the CFP world, what’s the next step? How do we create some semblance of parity and competitive balance going forward? And no, Joel Klatt and others toning down the CFP conversation and ramping up the “other bowls” conversation ain’t it.

Why are you a CU fan if the CFP is all that matters?

(Hint: that mindset is most definitely the problem)
 
Why are you a CU fan if the CFP is all that matters?

(Hint: that mindset is most definitely the problem)
It’s all that matters from a national relevancy of within the sport. I’m a CU fan because I have emotional ties to a program and school and immense pride in it.
 
It’s all that matters from a national relevancy of within the sport. I’m a CU fan because I have emotional ties to a program and school and immense pride in it.

College football has always had an intense regional aspect to it. The media people complaining about the CFP largely benefited from that regional aspect for decades and are now killing it in the name of "only the CFP matters." To say it is not the media's fault is really misguided IMO.
 
I’ve never understood why the playoffs and bowls need to be in the same discussion. If CU doesn’t make the playoffs I would still watch them in a bowl game.
Make it a 16 team playoff and select from the teams that don’t make the playoffs for the bowls. It would be a win win win.
Bowls have to be a part of playoff solution.
 
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