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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025

Seems pretty obvious that the “little” interest would be to put together an offer for Texas and another school (probably notre dame) but they aren’t and were never going to raid their long term conference ally in a fight against the SEC and ACC, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
If the B1G decides to raid the Pac 12 for 4-6 teams and CU isn't included, the only outcome would be for the leftovers and Big 12 scraps to form their own conference that probably wouldn't be P5 status (although I don't know who determines that), or all the leftovers just get relegated to G5 conferences like AAC and MWC.

If B1G takes the 4 Cali schools and Oregon and UW, is this a viable 14 team P5 (P4?) conference?

Washington State
Oregon State
Utah
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
TTU
WVU
TCU
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Actually, yes. If it involves both football and MBB. imo
 
Jalapeno said:


Not a surprise. Only remaining question is OU coming up with the cash unless a deal has been made with the SEC to have the SEC pay the Big 12 off then OU gets full SEC payouts about five years down the road. SEC and ESPN announced their new deal on December 10, 2020. SEC would have gotten a lump sum from ESPN much like the P12 did with their media partners to establish the P12N. I think any talk that TV does not have any sway over conferences can just die.

www.espn.com

SEC, ESPN strike 10-year deal starting in '24

The new SEC deal, which begins in 2024, provides ESPN and ABC up to 15 premier football games, including the SEC championship game and rivalry games such as Alabama-Auburn and Florida-Georgia.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Article from 2017 by ESPN: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...6/why-2023-next-big-date-conference-shuffling

This realignment really has ESPN's fingerprints on it.
 
MtnBuff said:
If we are stuck with the leftovers even adding a bunch of B12 leftovers we will be a conference that is much more similar in respect and money to the MWC than to the B1G.
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I think that "new" P12 would be better than the MWC but only because the P12 would have teams from Texas while the MWC has none.
 
Jalapeno said:


Not a surprise. Only remaining question is OU coming up with the cash unless a deal has been made with the SEC to have the SEC pay the Big 12 off then OU gets full SEC payouts about five years down the road. SEC and ESPN announced their new deal on December 10, 2020. SEC would have gotten a lump sum from ESPN much like the P12 did with their media partners to establish the P12N. I think any talk that TV does not have any sway over conferences can just die.

www.espn.com

SEC, ESPN strike 10-year deal starting in '24

The new SEC deal, which begins in 2024, provides ESPN and ABC up to 15 premier football games, including the SEC championship game and rivalry games such as Alabama-Auburn and Florida-Georgia.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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What do you want to bet ESPN brokers a deal to do a pro-rata revenue add to the ACC deal so WVU and OSU can be added to the conference thus dissolving the B12 to break the GoR? This whole deal has their dirty paws all over it. By orchestrating this move now they prevented any discussions that would have brought the OU and UT rights to the open market, potentially with another league. I do wonder if Fox has a cause for litigation for contractual interference, didn't they also have a deal with the Big 12 or did ESPN own all their rights?
 
SuperD said:
What do you want to bet ESPN brokers a deal to do a pro-rata revenue add to the ACC deal so WVU and OSU can be added to the conference thus dissolving the B12 to break the GoR? This whole deal has their dirty paws all over it. By orchestrating this move now they prevented any discussions that would have brought the OU and UT rights to the open market, potentially with another league. I do wonder if Fox has a cause for litigation for contractual interference, didn't they also have a deal with the Big 12 or did ESPN own all their rights?
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FOX does Big 12 games as well
 
SINKRATZ said:
Thanks for the response. I’m not misconstruing CU’s place at all - I firmly believe CU would be in the discussion with schools like Stanford, Cal, Iowa St, Utah WVU, Kansas, UVA, Georgia Tech etc as options after the USC, UCLA, UW, and Oregon’s. So how do we stack up against those schools?

1. Every school I mentioned aside from WVU is AAU, so no real advantage there.

2. I’ll take your word on the Chicago alumni numbers and how much that really matters. Most of our alumni are in the west coast and now we’re talking about leaving.

3. Old rivalries are a good reason. Is CU/NU more attractive than Iowa/NU is now? Probably so, but Cal/Stanford, Iowa/Iowa St are pretty attractive from a rivalry standpoint also.

4. Not sure what you mean with this one. Is this that we’re a good soldier within the conference? I can’t really speak to whether we are better in this regard than any of the other schools mentioned. None of them strike me as problematic. DiStefano was in a position in leadership within the conference and I wonder whether that’s a good or bad thing in hindsight. Would USC, UW, etc agree that CU did a good job with that responsibility? I don’t know. USC does have an AD who CU fired once upon a time, but hopefully that’s a non-issue.

5. I thought media market and geography wasn’t really that important. What does “bringing a big portion of the mountain time zone” really mean in practical terms?

6. Stanford built a new stadium, Cal completed a massive facilities project, Utah and Iowa State are in the middle of or have completed big facilities projects. It was great that CU got the champions center built but that doesn’t set us apart, it just eliminates a huge, glaring weakness.

I’m not down on CU at all, I’m trying to see how we might compare against other options to an outsider or the BIG 10 powers that be. Where do we really stand above the others?
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Those are all fair points and questions. You can ultimately question every positive for each institution against its peer group. There is a reason why they aren't in the top tier because they have a lot of warts.

I do think CU has enough positives that could outweigh its own warts in this scenario. We probably never find out but I think we've seen a lot of speculation that is involving CU, so at least media/fans think more positively about CU than a lot of its own alumni/fan base do.
 
onealcd said:
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This seems obvious to me. If there's to be a reshuffling among non-SEC P5 conferences, it will take place a year or two in the future. There's no obvious benefit to either the B10 or Pac12 in adding B12 castaways. The benefits of merging the upper tiers of the B10 and Pac12 are outweighed--at present--by historical allegiances and the nature of the academic institutions in those conferences as opposed to those in the SEC.
 
HighlandsBuff said:
One angle to the Stanford v. CU percentage of capacity debate that is peppered throughout the last few pages- Stanford tore down its old stadium (capacity 89,000) and built a new one with a capacity of a little over half (50k). That's a pretty serious thumb on the scale in terms of looking at things recently as a percentage of stadium capacity. It makes their attendance look better than it is. If you shrink the stadium to fit the size of the crowd, your percentage will look much better.

The obvious long term trend is that Stanford's in-person fan support is lagging badly. The combined region of the Bay Area + Metro Sacramento has twice the population of the state of Colorado. Stanford has been on a historically elevated level of football success and in the midst of it, tore down their stadium and built a smaller one. That says quite a bit. It's a pretty antiseptic place to watch a game, much like Levi's... no soul. My wife, who went to Stanford, is somewhat characteristic of Stanford fans. She follows the team, but doesn't build her life around making sure she sees the game (except Notre Dame, Cal, USC & UO), and we never go in person (we live in Colorado).

All of that said, Stanford is tremendous institution and a global brand, the most likely way I see them left out of continued inclusion in "big time" football is if they choose to do so, and that seems a distinct but less likely possibility. I'd love to see Cal get left out.
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Attendance has been falling at all programs including the SEC. people still buy tickets. They just dont turn out. Body bag games get thE worst attendance.
 
sweaty teets said:
An invite to the B1G would be a top five life event for me. Please make it so.
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  1. Car
  2. Virginity
  3. college degree
  4. engagement
  5. marriage
  6. child
  7. child

I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No thanks.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
  1. Car
  2. Virginity
  3. college degree
  4. engagement
  5. marriage
  6. child
  7. child

I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No thanks.
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For your family’s sake, I hope that list is chronological.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
  1. Car
  2. Virginity
  3. college degree
  4. engagement
  5. marriage
  6. child
  7. child

I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No thanks.
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You're probably against playing OOC games in Texas because there are a lot of Republicans there too. Jesus ****ing Christ.
 
ahoelsken said:
You're probably against playing OOC games in Texas because there are a lot of Republicans there too. Jesus ****ing Christ.
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**** you

STATES RANKED BY PERCENTAGE OF FBS SIGNEES​

StateFBS SigneesPlayersRatio
1. Florida38940,6061 in 104
2. Georgia24832,9791 in 133
3. Louisiana13220,0871 in 152
4. Hawaii224,2581 in 194
5. Utah358,6381 in 247
6. Alabama8922,8411 in 257
7. Mississippi8322,3001 in 269
8. Maryland/D.C.5515,6621 in 285
9. Ohio13544,4311 in 329
1o. Tennessee6723,0031 in 343
11. California289103,4741 in 358
12. Texas459164,5541 in 359
 
MiamiBuffs said:
  1. Car
  2. Virginity
  3. college degree
  4. engagement
  5. marriage
  6. child
  7. child

I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No
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Never mind joke already made.
 
ahoelsken said:
Get the **** out of here with this nonsense. Let's stop talking about culture fits and ****ty road trips. ****braska is more of a rival than pretty much anybody in the Pac 12 is for CU. If we get a B1G invite, we need to accept it-regardless of what USC or anybody else in the Pac 12 does.

Dodd mentions CU here-the idea that the B1G's push west includes LA, Seattle, and maybe Portland but not Denver (IDGAF about Phoenix) seems a little odd.

www.cbssports.com

College football realignment fallout: What's next with Texas, Oklahoma stating intent to leave Big 12 for SEC

Look for the Big Ten to make some moves -- quickly -- and TV networks to have their say
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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I mean I agree, we should probably go to Big Ten if they come calling purely because they are the better conference and trending up while Pac seems to be heading in the opposite direction. I didn't say we shouldn't, just that it would make me pause if the Pac 12 otherwise remained intact... and I think its crazy to think the administrative wouldn't pause as well or pushback considering they almost surely fancy themselves aligning with Pac schools... considering every other CU admit these days is from California... considering a large percentage of our alums and donors are from west coast. Brand matters, plain and simple for reasons beyond athletics... and I don't know if its denial or just remembering a different era but we have been out of Big 12 for 10 years now and no one is hanging onto Nebraska even though yeah its great to play them (which we could still do) every few years.

No offense, but this seems like "a get off my lawn" take from the older alums on here who think Nebraska and the Big 8 glory days carry any significant weight in 2021. CU has changed and some old football rivalry isn't gonna play much into the decision if the other Pac schools aren't joining as well. That's my take and I'm sure others agree as well.
 
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MiamiBuffs said:
**** you

STATES RANKED BY PERCENTAGE OF FBS SIGNEES​

StateFBS SigneesPlayersRatio
1. Florida38940,6061 in 104
2. Georgia24832,9791 in 133
3. Louisiana13220,0871 in 152
4. Hawaii224,2581 in 194
5. Utah358,6381 in 247
6. Alabama8922,8411 in 257
7. Mississippi8322,3001 in 269
8. Maryland/D.C.5515,6621 in 285
9. Ohio13544,4311 in 329
1o. Tennessee6723,0031 in 343
11. California289103,4741 in 358
12. Texas459164,5541 in 359
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Same statement applies for 75% of the states on that list. OOOOOOH let's not play Florida in a decade because I'm scared about having to interact with people who think differently than I do!
 
MiamiBuffs said:
**** you

STATES RANKED BY PERCENTAGE OF FBS SIGNEES​

StateFBS SigneesPlayersRatio
1. Florida38940,6061 in 104
2. Georgia24832,9791 in 133
3. Louisiana13220,0871 in 152
4. Hawaii224,2581 in 194
5. Utah358,6381 in 247
6. Alabama8922,8411 in 257
7. Mississippi8322,3001 in 269
8. Maryland/D.C.5515,6621 in 285
9. Ohio13544,4311 in 329
1o. Tennessee6723,0031 in 343
11. California289103,4741 in 358
12. Texas459164,5541 in 359
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Why should I care about density over volume? Particularly when I can focus on certain leagues like Trinity in CA to tap volume with the efficiency of density?
 
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