Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025

[Duff Man]

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I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No thanks.

WTF?

 

[ahoelsken]

I mean I agree, we should probably go to Big Ten if they come calling purely because they are the better conference and trending up while Pac seems to be heading in the opposite direction. I didn't say we shouldn't, just that it would make me pause if the Pac 12 otherwise remained intact... and I think its crazy to think the administrative wouldn't pause as well or pushback considering they almost surely fancy themselves aligning with Pac schools... considering every other CU admit these days is from California... considering a large percentage of our alums and donors are from west coast. Brand matters, plain and simple for reasons beyond academics... and I don't know if its denial or just remembering a different era but we have been out of Big 12 for 10 years now and no one is hanging onto ****braska even though yeah its great to play them (which we could still do) every few years.

No offense, but this seems like "a get off my lawn" take from the older alums on here who think ****braska and the Big 8 glory days carry any significant weight in 2021. CU has changed and some old football rivalry isn't gonna play much into the decision if the other Pac schools aren't joining as well. That's my take and I'm sure others agree as well.

Money is what drives the bus here-Not culture fits, where the alumni are, what the other schools in this ****ing ****show of a conference do, what conference Nebraska is in, or anything else.

Under the current TV deals-Big 10 schools make over $20M a year more than we do. That in itself is a reason to join that league if an invitation ever came. Maybe think before your post next time, dude.

 

[Buffs35]

I mean I agree, we should probably go to Big Ten if they come calling purely because they are the better conference and trending up while Pac seems to be heading in the opposite direction. I didn't say we shouldn't, just that it would make me pause if the Pac 12 otherwise remained intact... and I think its crazy to think the administrative wouldn't pause as well or pushback considering they almost surely fancy themselves aligning with Pac schools... considering every other CU admit these days is from California... considering a large percentage of our alums and donors are from west coast. Brand matters, plain and simple for reasons beyond athletics... and I don't know if its denial or just remembering a different era but we have been out of Big 12 for 10 years now and no one is hanging onto ****braska even though yeah its great to play them (which we could still do) every few years.

No offense, but this seems like "a get off my lawn" take from the older alums on here who think ****braska and the Big 8 glory days carry any significant weight in 2021. CU has changed and some old football rivalry isn't gonna play much into the decision if the other Pac schools aren't joining as well. That's my take and I'm sure others agree as well.

The last time we mattered was the big 8,/big 12, so get off my lawn.

 

[Bison]

What do you want to bet ESPN brokers a deal to do a pro-rata revenue add to the ACC deal so WVU and OSU can be added to the conference thus dissolving the B12 to break the GoR? This whole deal has their dirty paws all over it. By orchestrating this move now they prevented any discussions that would have brought the OU and UT rights to the open market, potentially with another league. I do wonder if Fox has a cause for litigation for contractual interference, didn't they also have a deal with the Big 12 or did ESPN own all their rights?

Maybe a bag of peanuts because that would be what WVU would be getting if they joined the AAC instead of the ACC...LOL.

I'd say ESPN outbid FOX when it came to OU & UT since they were rumored for the B1G in the not too distant past. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure how it would be possible for FOX to litigate that. If a good number of P5 schools are going to be left out, the Feds could get involved so those P5 schools are going to have a home. There's always going to be the threat of being left out but that rarely happens.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

University of Houston President suggesting that the Coogs are getting some phone calls. Most of the UH fans replies have been hoping for a Pac-12 invite. Selfishly, I’d be good with that.

 

[cowe6453]

Money is what drives the bus here-Not culture fits, where the alumni are, what the other schools in this ****ing ****show of a conference do, what conference ****braska is in, or anything else.

Under the current TV deals-Big 10 schools make over $20M a year more than we do. That in itself is a reason to join that league if an invitation ever came. Maybe think before your post next time, dude.

Disagree, but don't think there's much I can do to convince you otherwise. *Some schools and conferences care about branding and saying otherwise would be admitting football and media deals have come to surpass any notion of an academic institution. Which might be the case, but I'm still skeptical we've reached that point. Worst case scenario, CU and Pac stand pat and wait for PAC - B1G merger in a few years. I just don't understand the thinking here that culture and fit mean nothing when were talking status quo vs. bolting just to get stomped for the sake of $40m or so over a few years.

 

[ahoelsken]

University of Houston President suggesting that the Coogs are getting some phone calls. Most of the UH fans replies have been hoping for a Pac-12 invite. Selfishly, I’d be good with that.

TT/OSU/Houston/and one of TCU, Rice, or Tulane makes sense to at least me.

 

[cowe6453]

Money is what drives the bus here-Not culture fits, where the alumni are, what the other schools in this ****ing ****show of a conference do, what conference ****braska is in, or anything else.

Under the current TV deals-Big 10 schools make over $20M a year more than we do. That in itself is a reason to join that league if an invitation ever came. Maybe think before your post next time, dude.

Also don't appreciate the condescending tone, dude. Serious question: is anyone on this board under 30??

 

[KCM]

My thinking: you take two schools from the Big 12.

Not because it makes you more money in the short-term (per school revenue may go down slightly), but because it would effectively kill the Big 12. Killing the Big 12 creates the “P4” (SEC (16 teams), B1G (14 teams), ACC (14 + ND) and PAC-14). That scenario is good for the PAC long-term because there are less P5 teams (the remaining 6 teams from the BIG 12 probably get split up between the AAC and the MWC)… and the PAC would still control all major markets in the west (plus the two schools they pick up)

 

[BUFFS14]

Also don't appreciate the condescending tone, dude. Serious question: is anyone on this board under 30??

Nope we are all 35

 

[cowe6453]

Nope we are all 35

I'll take your word for it.

 

[hokiehead]

My thinking: you take two schools from the Big 12.

Not because it makes you more money in the short-term (per school revenue may go down slightly), but because it would effectively kill the Big 12. Killing the Big 12 creates the “P4” (SEC (16 teams), B1G (14 teams), ACC (14 + ND) and PAC-14). That scenario is good for the PAC long-term because there are less P5 teams (the remaining 6 teams from the BIG 12 probably get split up between the AAC and the MWC)… and the PAC would still control all major markets in the west (plus the two schools they pick up)

I like your reasoning, but I think the XII is dead regardless of what happens to the leftovers. i.e., the Pac doesn't need to pick up any -- we're already down to P4.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

WTF?

Im not sure why I put virginity 2nd and car first. They actually went hand in hand.

 

[Darth Snow]

You move back here I'm leaving.

What a great trade!

 

[ahoelsken]

Disagree, but don't think there's much I can do to convince you otherwise. *Some schools and conferences care about branding and saying otherwise would be admitting football and media deals have come to surpass any notion of an academic institution. Which might be the case, but I'm still skeptical we've reached that point. Worst case scenario, CU and Pac stand pat and wait for PAC - B1G merger in a few years. I just don't understand the thinking here that culture and fit mean nothing when were talking status quo vs. bolting just to get stomped for the sake of $40m or so over a few years.

First thing-We've reached that moment. It happened 10 years ago. CU to the Pac 12? Money drove it. A&M to the SEC? same deal. Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC? Same thing now. Here's my point-If culture and fit meant something to anybody in positions of power, we're not having this conversation.

BTW-Its way more than $40M. Their schools make north of $50m between ESPN/FOX revenue, BTN revenue, and bowl payouts. If you don't think RG/Dr. Phil would make that move right now......you've got another thing coming.

 

[ahoelsken]

I like your reasoning, but I think the XII is dead regardless of what happens to the leftovers. i.e., the Pac doesn't need to pick up any -- we're already down to P4.

Agree with both you guys-One, the Big 12 is going to die as a result of this. Two, I'd take 3 Texas schools (let's say Houston, Tech, and Rice/TCU) and Oklahoma State. What's to say Houston doesn't have a ton of success as a Pac 12 member or Tech/OSU do better without their big brothers looking over them?

 

[SINKRATZ]

Im not sure why I put virginity 2nd and car first. They actually went hand in hand.

Tailpipes don’t count.

 

[cowe6453]

First thing-We've reached that moment. It happened 10 years ago. CU to the Pac 12? Money drove it. A&M to the SEC? same deal. Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC? Same thing now. Here's my point-If culture and fit meant something to anybody in positions of power, we're not having this conversation.

BTW-Its way more than $40M. Their schools make north of $50m between ESPN/FOX revenue, BTN revenue, and bowl payouts. If you don't think RG/Dr. Phil would make that move right now......you've got another thing coming.

First thing-We've reached that moment. It happened 10 years ago.

CU to the Pac 12?
- did it now? Had nothing to do with better academic culture that also happen to fit alumni base. Got it, all money.

Money drove it. A&M to the SEC? same deal.
- Uhh last I checked SEC is superior conference and not all that different than Big 12 and getting pushed around by big brother. All money though, got it.

Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC? Same thing now.
- This one I'll give you - was about money and superior conference. Unrelated: What exactly is Big 12 culture anyway other than being subservient to Oklahoma and Texas?

Here's my point-If culture and fit meant something to anybody in positions of power, we're not having this conversation.
- Let me ask you this: would Duke or UNC bolt for SEC purely for money??
NO, so maybe think before you post, dude and GTFO with this condescending BS.

BTW-Its way more than $40M. Their schools make north of $50m between ESPN/FOX revenue, BTN revenue, and bowl payouts. If you don't think RG/Dr. Phil would make that move right now......you've got another thing coming.
- It's not up to Rick George, dumb***

 

[ahoelsken]

Also don't appreciate the condescending tone, dude. Serious question: is anyone on this board under 30??

That's cool. When people start making dumb arguments like "We can't recruit if we join the Big 10" and use Nebraska (who doesn't have to schedule like we do because they're it out there) as a rationale for it...............I tend to get that way.

Its the same with the argument you're making-it just doesn't fly to me.

And you'll learn this the longer you're on here.....but this is allbuffs. Its what we do.

 

[Duff Man]

I am kinda shocked at how several posters think recruiting to the Big 10 would be a big issue.

 

[hokiehead]

First thing-We've reached that moment. It happened 10 years ago.

CU to the Pac 12?
- did it now? Had nothing to do with better academic culture that also happen to fit alumni base. Got it, all money.

Money drove it. A&M to the SEC? same deal.
- Uhh last I checked SEC is superior conference and not all that different than Big 12 and getting pushed around by big brother. All money though, got it.

Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC? Same thing now.
- This one I'll give you - was about money and superior conference. Unrelated: What exactly is Big 12 culture anyway other than being subservient to Oklahoma and Texas?

Here's my point-If culture and fit meant something to anybody in positions of power, we're not having this conversation.
- Let me ask you this: would Duke or UNC bolt for SEC purely for money??
NO, so maybe think before you post, dude and GTFO with this condescending BS.

BTW-Its way more than $40M. Their schools make north of $50m between ESPN/FOX revenue, BTN revenue, and bowl payouts. If you don't think RG/Dr. Phil would make that move right now......you've got another thing coming.
- It's not up to Rick George, dumb***

There's a lot of people on ACC boards, myself included, who think UNC is a legit flight risk to either SEC or B1G.

 

[Bear Fiend]

1. Car
2. Virginity
3. college degree
4. engagement
5. marriage
6. child
7. child

I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No thanks.

Your window for a bj has closed.

 

[cowe6453]

That's cool. When people start making dumb arguments like "We can't recruit if we join the Big 10" and use ****braska (who doesn't have to schedule like we do because they're it out there) as a rationale for it...............I tend to get that way.

Its the same with the argument you're making-it just doesn't fly to me.

And you'll learn this the longer you're on here.....but this is allbuffs. Its what we do.

I never made that argument and thought I was being respectful and thoughtful before you came at me.

But fair enough, I have thick skin and am okay being the contrarian to go against the AllBuffs 35+ view even if it means everyone turning on me.

At the end of the day, I love the Buffs and am okay if we go at it. Just remember we're on the same side.

 

[cowe6453]

There's a lot of people on ACC boards, myself included, who think UNC is a legit flight risk to either SEC or B1G.

Fair enough in this climate. But I think if it were truly about money, you'd see every blue blood bolting to the SEC.

 

[manhattanbuff]

I am kinda shocked at how several posters think recruiting to the Big 10 would be a big issue.

Going to the B1G would be a gift from the universe that Colorado probably doesn’t deserve. Our recruiting is already horrible. Recruiting players to what would be one of the best places in the conference will be made easier once we have the money to hire coaches who can do work on the trail.

 

[ahoelsken]

First thing-We've reached that moment. It happened 10 years ago.

CU to the Pac 12?
- did it now? Had nothing to do with better academic culture that also happen to fit alumni base. Got it, all money.

Money drove it. A&M to the SEC? same deal.
- Uhh last I checked SEC is superior conference and not all that different than Big 12 and getting pushed around by big brother. All money though, got it.

Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC? Same thing now.
- This one I'll give you - was about money and superior conference. Unrelated: What exactly is Big 12 culture anyway other than being subservient to Oklahoma and Texas?

Here's my point-If culture and fit meant something to anybody in positions of power, we're not having this conversation.
- Let me ask you this: would Duke or UNC bolt for SEC purely for money??
NO, so maybe think before you post, dude and GTFO with this condescending BS.

BTW-Its way more than $40M. Their schools make north of $50m between ESPN/FOX revenue, BTN revenue, and bowl payouts. If you don't think RG/Dr. Phil would make that move right now......you've got another thing coming.
- It's not up to Rick George, dumb***

1. What were we making with our 3rd tier TV stuff on FOX College Sports and the old Big 12 tv deals? There's no way its even close to what we make now as a Pac 12 member. So yeah-this move was about money over academic culture or alumni bases.

2. Aggie makes more off the SEC's tv deals now than they did when they left the Big 12. That was all about money, just like that "we're mad as hell and won't do a damn thing about it" statement A&M's president put out over the weekend. Last thing here-if they're done getting pushed around by big brother and wanted out, the Pac 12 would offer them membership tomorrow. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

3. In a roundabout way, we killed the Big 12 when we ended Nebraska football's glory years 20 years ago in November. If the Nubs had continued to win in the early 21st century like they did in the 90s, UT doesn't get the cache to pull the "bend the knee" kind of stuff they have over the last decade. (ESPN still thinks Nebraska is a bit of a brand-they did send GameDay/Fowler to Lincoln in 2019 for a 41 point loss to Ohio State that everybody outside of Lincoln knew was coming).

4. You bet they would-but the SEC doesn't want them. The ACC's TV deals are as bad as ours are. Thats why Wetzel/Thamel brought up some sort of partnership between the ACC and P12 even though that makes no geographic sense.

5. Just so you're clear as to the Dr. Phil I was referring to in my previous post-its this guy: https://www.colorado.edu/education/philip-p-distefano

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Going to the B1G would be a gift from the universe that Colorado probably doesn’t deserve. Our recruiting is already horrible. Recruiting players to what would be one of the best places in the conference will be made easier once we have the money to hire coaches who can do work on the trail.

We have been so beat down, it feels like this will always be the issue.

 

[ahoelsken]

'Perverted little tarts' comment isn't helping Baylor's image

Email correspondence from then-regent Neal "Buddy" Jones leaves no doubt about his attitude toward Baylor women who dared to take a drink in...

www.dallasnews.com

Add this to the ever-growing list of reasons not to invite Baylor to the Pac 12. The name Neal "Buddy" Jones is one we should remember from round one of this.

 

[Hank]

1. Car
2. Virginity
3. college degree
4. engagement
5. marriage
6. child
7. child

I dont see conference realignment even in the top 10.

In fact, Im pretty much totally opposed to moving to the B1G. Sure its more money. But thats it. From there it mostly a collection of forgotten potholes from the bygone Industrial Revolution that have a lot of republicans and no innovation or optimism. Like worse than the Big 8. I used to live there. No thanks.

You forgot “Gristly sesame chicken from K’s China.” I’d probably put that somewhere between virginity and college degree.

And where does the gravity bong go?

 

[cowe6453]

1. What were we making with our 3rd tier TV stuff on FOX College Sports and the old Big 12 tv deals? There's no way its even close to what we make now as a Pac 12 member. So yeah-this move was about money over academic culture or alumni bases.

2. Aggie makes more off the SEC's tv deals now than they did when they left the Big 12. That was all about money, just like that "we're mad as hell and won't do a damn thing about it" statement A&M's president put out over the weekend. Last thing here-if they're done getting pushed around by big brother and wanted out, the Pac 12 would offer them membership tomorrow. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

3. In a roundabout way, we killed the Big 12 when we ended ****braska football's glory years 20 years ago in November. If the Nubs had continued to win in the early 21st century like they did in the 90s, UT doesn't get the cache to pull the "bend the knee" kind of stuff they have over the last decade. (ESPN still thinks ****braska is a bit of a brand-they did send GameDay/Fowler to Lincoln in 2019 for a 41 point loss to Ohio State that everybody outside of Lincoln knew was coming).

4. You bet they would-but the SEC doesn't want them. The ACC's TV deals are as bad as ours are. Thats why Wetzel/Thamel brought up some sort of partnership between the ACC and P12 even though that makes no geographic sense.

5. Just so you're clear as to the Dr. Phil I was referring to in my previous post-its this guy: https://www.colorado.edu/education/philip-p-distefano

1. What were we making with our 3rd tier TV stuff on FOX College Sports and the old Big 12 tv deals? There's no way its even close to what we make now as a Pac 12 member. So yeah-this move was about money over academic culture or alumni bases.
- If that were the case Texas and OU would have left too. I get that it's easy to cherry pick to prove your point but I could just as easily do the same by picking schools that didn't bolt to conferences offering more money. Money is a huge consideration, but to say that's the ONLY reason A&M and CU left is just not correct.... otherwise every other $$ programs would have left too or conferences would have invited them. Of course, money plays a huge part and will continue to do so, but it's not the end all - is my point.

2. Aggie makes more off the SEC's tv deals now than they did when they left the Big 12. That was all about money, just like that "we're mad as hell and won't do a damn thing about it" statement A&M's president put out over the weekend. Last thing here-if they're done getting pushed around by big brother and wanted out, the Pac 12 would offer them membership tomorrow. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- see above. And LARRY SCOTT would, who is an idiot. Pac 12 still probably would but had to get the shot in at the expense of Larry Scott.

3. In a roundabout way, we killed the Big 12 when we ended ****braska football's glory years 20 years ago in November. If the Nubs had continued to win in the early 21st century like they did in the 90s, UT doesn't get the cache to pull the "bend the knee" kind of stuff they have over the last decade. (ESPN still thinks ****braska is a bit of a brand-they did send GameDay/Fowler to Lincoln in 2019 for a 41 point loss to Ohio State that everybody outside of Lincoln knew was coming).
- not sure what your point is here

4. You bet they would-but the SEC doesn't want them. The ACC's TV deals are as bad as ours are. That's why Wetzel/Thamel brought up some sort of partnership between the ACC and P12 even though that makes no geographic sense.
- The SEC doesn't want Duke and UNC?? LOL. I'm guessing you think they also don't want Clemson. I can tell you first hand many many people in ACC, including many Clemson fans, want nothing to do with the SEC and are perfectly content where they are. If it were truly about money, Clemson would be gone yesterday. Yet they seem intent on sticking around... hmm

5. I know. Still not up to him, dumb***.

In all seriousness, I'm just pushing back and tone seems harsher than it needs to be. Would prefer not fighting on internet board.