Belichick looks older than I thought....
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I don't think this is true. I think you hear a lot from a few that dislike him but this narrative doesn't match with his tenure in NE IMO.
hawg1
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All these issues are valid. I’m here to dial it in.
hawg1
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Here’s what I do like. He’s good on Manning Cast. Great football talk. And often good dry humor. I’ll miss him on that show.
True!
Probably also true!
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Drafts that Lombardi oversaw:
- Cleveland, 93-95: 0 all pro seasons, 0 pro bowl seasons
- key picks: Steve Everitt, Derrick Alexander, Eric Zeier
- Notable facts: his 1995 draft, 6 players produced a combined 0 seasons as a starter in the NFL
- Philadelphia, 97: 0 all pro seasons, 0 pro bowl seasons (11 picks!)
- Key picks: Duce Staley, Jon Harris, Koy Detmer(!)
- Notable Facts: 1st round pick DE Jon Harris, picked 3 picks before Trevor Pryce, played in only 24 games
- Oakland, 99-06: 8 all pro seasons (6 by Shane Lechler) 12 pro bowl seasons (8 by Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski)
- Key picks: Robert Gallery, Michael Huff, Fabian Washington, Lechler, Janikowski, Nnamdi Asomugha
- Notable facts: in his first 3 years, the Raiders won the afc west 3 times. In his last 4 years (with the team he’d built, they failed to win more than 5 games in a season)
- 2013 Cleveland: 0 all pro seasons, 0 pro bowl seasons
- Key picks: Barkevious Mingo, ???
- Notable facts: spent a draft pick on a player (Jamoris Slaughter) who never played a down in the NFL
- OVERALL: spent 105 draft picks and produced 4 players who produced a pro bowl season (2 of whom were special teamers) and 2 players who produced an all pro season (1 of whom was a punter)
What skills? What experience does he have raising NIL funds?
And how successful have they been?
I have serious doubts that BB is going to have success at UNC. But I thought it was best summed up by a line I heard the other day before he was hired: I want it to happen just because I want to see what happens. And here we are.
hawg1
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I did not say he would raise NIL funds. I said he would prioritize them. You can do your own research on other GM models. His past success is debatable if you use draft and Pro Bowl players as your metrics. He has experience. Whether it translates to success at UNC, in support of BB, will unfold. It might. It might not. I love watching it and seeing many get their panties twisted. It will play out.
BB is the new Prime cause there are more haters than lovers of that old grumpy ass. Nobody in the AFC liked him, and theres plenty of NFC teams that lost in the Super Bowl that hate him
He is the new car crash
Trogdor
Soy Boy
New Prime? jfc
brockbuff
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Quite a few people telling him good luck at his new job.
southcakalakey
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He’s in NYC for the Hei12man presentation. If true, it’s cool that he’s still representing and honoring Travis
He's going to FSU
Great hire for them
I dunno Hokie. "Learn and adapt" isn't the first phrase that comes to mind when I think about Bill.
I'm with Hokiehead on this one. I'm a long time Pats fan and yes, Brady was generational and it got tougher to win without him.
But the NFL (due to reverse draft order, salary caps, roster limits, etc) becomes a game of tight margins.
BB found a way to have the Patriots always good enough at every position to win. I think BB lost his lust for it near the end.
And that is the wildcard here. If he's lost his lust, he will collect a check and exit stage right building up the generational wealth nest egg.
If he goes after it, he will build a machine and they will out-evaluate and out-develop a ton of schools.
He will recruit with the promise of NFL development.
It's a little risky sure. So was CP with almost no head coaching experience at any level above Jackson State.
CP we knew would recruit well, but could he CEO?
BB we know can CEO, and I think in today's environment, he will sign guys, not recruit them. They won't have to like him.
And no, he's not that unlikeable unless he's kicking your ass.
Not like direct comparison to Prime, more like shiny new disruptive coach
Unless Tom Brady has an 18 year old son who will sign with UNC, and become generational 6 years before TB did, then BB will be a bust just like he was in the NFL without TB
The difference is at UNC, he can go find a QB a lot easier than you can when you have the 30-32nd draft pick year after year. He somehow found talent everywhere, without the top 10 picks. If he has the drive, he knows the game like few others. He will find guys and build a winner.
Guys like Saban are leaving the game because they are re-recruiting their guys every year to stay dominate.
It's a tough job for sure.
But if you are taking over a well-funded 2nd tier team like UNC has been, it can be a quick rebuild to get to the point where you have the problem Saban had.
BB will never stick around if he gets the team really good.
GRM
I'm a ****ty troll
I understand some people will never like BB. There are a number of reasons, but for a guy so with "zero personality...." and "universally disliked by players" how the heck did they go 6-3 in Superbowls? I doubt those players who got to play in the big game or won a ring would agree with you...
I guess one starts with Lombardi given no ability to make a decent draft pick, however have you every watched the NFL Film about the 95' Browns? "In Cleveland, he was known by media members as "The Voice of Doom'' or simply "Dr. Doom.'' His reluctance, even disdain, for talking to reporters remains legendary. His news conferences, if you want to call them that, are famous for the lengths Belichick will go to reveal absolutely nothing. He is a verbal minimalist who saves his true feelings for his children, his most trusted friends, his players, assistants and selected staff."
Wojciechowski: Look to Cleveland to understand Belichick
So much of who and what Bill Belichick is today as head coach of the fabulously successful Patriots can be retraced to who and what he was as head coach of the mostly unsuccessful Browns, Gene Wojciechowski writes.
Yet, when you look at the 95 Brown's staff he assembled during his failure, who does this:
"The Super Bowl trip that has forever eluded the Browns seemed near in large part to the talent Belichick amassed on his staff, one that included nine future NFL head coaches and general managers and three major college head coaches. Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli, Mike Tannenbaum, Thomas Dimitroff, Jim Schwartz, Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz and Eric Mangini are among the names." Baltimore won it the next year, or one after, correct?? Who does that then does a bunch more?
I knew one of those guys named above personally, and as he embarked on his new high profile job, we discussed his old job and breaking in, he just could not say enough great things about BB in terms of coaching, player evaluation, strategy, management ... he said "we were all just sponges."
NFL Network documentary on 1995 Browns reveals what might have been
Might team have become Super Bowl juggernaut with Bill Belichick's all-star coaching staff?
www.usatoday.com
Not that all those guys succeeded in their various roles, however Saban is I believe is considered the Godfather of modern college coaching. 3 guys on BB's coaching tree are still active coaching 3 P-64 teams. As of 2020, scouts/evaluators I guess still use his notes:
Bill Belichick's 1991 scouting notes still apply today
The thoughts penned early in his head-coaching career show that New England's boss has stuck to his convictions all these years later.
I agree with Hokie and others that this will be a great experiment. It will be interesting. How much fire BB has in the belly will matter, however I am confident that he can coach, will surround himself with good people, adjust accordingly, and has a deep roll-a-dex aka Coach Prime. Personally, I think BB is embarking on a final adventure back to those Brown's days where he maybe thought he could succeed but was uncertain in actually building something from the ground up. Probably, the idea of working with young athletes and the challenge of building out a school's football department is invigorating, rather than him putting something into place for his son. That takes a village, not a few coaches/guys.
P.S.--if he was not the AD's 1st choice, maybe the AD did not have the sway/vision that the BORs had in promoting UNC football. It will be a huge story win, lose or draw.
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Not generally a good place to be.
Is this an upgrade for him?