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24-25 MBB Team

ZandiBuff said:
I fully expect my mind to be blown repeatedly by the play of Hammond.
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Will it be blown by the bring the ball up court and pick it up 30 feet out with no options play or the try to thread the pass across the lane and 8 sets of legs pass play? Or maybe the drive the lane, get caught in the air and force a bad pass/get unmercifully rejected at the rim play?
 
Da Lama said:
Will it be blown by the bring the ball up court and pick it up 30 feet out with no options play or the try to thread the pass across the lane and 8 sets of legs pass play? Or maybe the drive the lane, get caught in the air and force a bad pass/get unmercifully rejected at the rim play?
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Oh, I have a feeling we will be longing for the days of those things happening.
 
Before this gets too out of hand, I think it's worth pointing out that Julian is a solid player. Serviceable, certainly, at the high major level. He has exceeded all expectations since when he arrived. He has been the cornerstone of many important and joyous wins. He's been a good Buff. More to the point, as a senior who's been with this program for his entire career, he's earned some level of deference when it comes to roster construction.

The issue I have is not with Julian himself, it's that he's the only considered option at that position. Past him, we're relying on players either new to the program or coming off injury issues with limited D1 experience to run the point. That has, historically, led to poor results in this system. Further, Julian has not demonstrated the leadership we've come to expect from successful point guards at this program -- not necessarily his fault, as he's been asked to play behind 1-2 other PGs since his arrival in Boulder, but reality, nonetheless. It's an open concern and one that, again, has not historically been a harbinger of success with Tad's program.

Given the ramp-up in quality of play, that broader context leads me to believe we will struggle, *not* Julian himself.

My real question now is, what's next? I take it as a given that '24-'25 will be a struggle, and banking that scholarship may be an acknowledgment of the same. If the narrative arcs of Tad's program have been built on the development of his point guards, then, more importantly, *who* is next?
 
RumblinBuff said:
Before this gets too out of hand, I think it's worth pointing out that Julian is a solid player. Serviceable, certainly, at the high major level. He has exceeded all expectations since when he arrived. He has been the cornerstone of many important and joyous wins. He's been a good Buff. More to the point, as a senior who's been with this program for his entire career, he's earned some level of deference when it comes to roster construction.

The issue I have is not with Julian himself, it's that he's the only considered option at that position. Past him, we're relying on players either new to the program or coming off injury issues with limited D1 experience to run the point. That has, historically, led to poor results in this system. Further, Julian has not demonstrated the leadership we've come to expect from successful point guards at this program -- not necessarily his fault, as he's been asked to play behind 1-2 other PGs since his arrival in Boulder, but reality, nonetheless. It's an open concern and one that, again, has not historically been a harbinger of success with Tad's program.

Given the ramp-up in quality of play, that broader context leads me to believe we will struggle, *not* Julian himself.

My real question now is, what's next? I take it as a given that '24-'25 will be a struggle, and banking that scholarship may be an acknowledgment of the same. If the narrative arcs of Tad's program have been built on the development of his point guards, then, more importantly, *who* is next?
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Well said! I’m also fine with having a slight down year after a career year we had last year with the huge caveat of its building towards 25-26. Losing 3 draft picks does that to all non-blue bloods.

IE Dak, Anderson, Diop, develop into really productive players like Da Silva fresh to soph jump. To your point though what are our prospects in 25-26 if we don’t have a point guard that develops this year to really become a stud in 25-26.

My worry is that if Baskin, Malone, Andrej, and Hammond, are our best players this year in a down year then we really don’t have anything to build towards in 25–26.
 
RumblinBuff said:
Before this gets too out of hand, I think it's worth pointing out that Julian is a solid player. Serviceable, certainly, at the high major level. He has exceeded all expectations since when he arrived. He has been the cornerstone of many important and joyous wins. He's been a good Buff. More to the point, as a senior who's been with this program for his entire career, he's earned some level of deference when it comes to roster construction.

The issue I have is not with Julian himself, it's that he's the only considered option at that position. Past him, we're relying on players either new to the program or coming off injury issues with limited D1 experience to run the point. That has, historically, led to poor results in this system. Further, Julian has not demonstrated the leadership we've come to expect from successful point guards at this program -- not necessarily his fault, as he's been asked to play behind 1-2 other PGs since his arrival in Boulder, but reality, nonetheless. It's an open concern and one that, again, has not historically been a harbinger of success with Tad's program.

Given the ramp-up in quality of play, that broader context leads me to believe we will struggle, *not* Julian himself.

My real question now is, what's next? I take it as a given that '24-'25 will be a struggle, and banking that scholarship may be an acknowledgment of the same. If the narrative arcs of Tad's program have been built on the development of his point guards, then, more importantly, *who* is next?
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Tad really seems to think he's got someone waiting in the wings or coming in with this class. Or he's giving up on true PG just to spite @Goose
 
Darth Snow said:
Tad really seems to think he's got someone waiting in the wings or coming in with this class. Or he's giving up on true PG just to spite @Goose
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Not every big conference basketball team can offer a PG the keys to the team--without question, Tad will be able to do that in 2025. If it's a freshman, we just need to hope it's a McKinley level player and leader rather than a KJ level who needed some time to dominate.
 
Da Lama said:
Will it be blown by the bring the ball up court and pick it up 30 feet out with no options play or the try to thread the pass across the lane and 8 sets of legs pass play? Or maybe the drive the lane, get caught in the air and force a bad pass/get unmercifully rejected at the rim play?
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At least expectations are not at the very high end of mt everest
 
Buffsbball said:
Well said! I’m also fine with having a slight down year after a career year we had last year with the huge caveat of its building towards 25-26. Losing 3 draft picks does that to all non-blue bloods.

IE Dak, Anderson, Diop, develop into really productive players like Da Silva fresh to soph jump. To your point though what are our prospects in 25-26 if we don’t have a point guard that develops this year to really become a stud in 25-26.

My worry is that if Baskin, Malone, Andrej, and Hammond, are our best players this year in a down year then we really don’t have anything to build towards in 25–26.
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I understand Tad's success is historic on the greater Buffs bball timeline. At the same time it can be true to ask for more than a predictable 4 year cycle of 1-2 strong years followed by 1-2 very painful years of rebuilding. You'd think Tad would figure out some smoothing of the recruiting curve at this point with his roster evals.
 
jumped ship said:
I understand Tad's success is historic on the greater Buffs bball timeline. At the same time it can be true to ask for more than a predictable 4 year cycle of 1-2 strong years followed by 1-2 very painful years of rebuilding. You'd think Tad would figure out some smoothing of the recruiting curve at this point with his roster evals.
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This happens to *literally* every team in the country. Some teams might go from top-5 to top-25, we just happen to go from solid tourney team to a 15/16-win team this year. He's only had 1 losing season in 14 years and 4 seasons with less than 20 wins. That's damn impressive for CU (and for most of D1). This year will hurt more tho with the move to the B12.
 
pmoney52 said:
This happens to *literally* every team in the country. Some teams might go from top-5 to top-25, we just happen to go from solid tourney team to a 15/16-win team this year. He's only had 1 losing season in 14 years and 4 seasons with less than 20 wins. That's damn impressive for CU (and for most of D1). This year will hurt more tho with the move to the B12.
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I agree, expectations might be too high but I think Tad is capable of stringing together a 3 year tourney run. You also can't ignore how bad our OOC has been in some years which has boosted our total record.
 
pmoney52 said:
This happens to *literally* every team in the country. Some teams might go from top-5 to top-25, we just happen to go from solid tourney team to a 15/16-win team this year. He's only had 1 losing season in 14 years and 4 seasons with less than 20 wins. That's damn impressive for CU (and for most of D1). This year will hurt more tho with the move to the B12.
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Crazy thing is in the Big 12 with Maui Invitational in our OOC 16 wins is probably close to on the bubble..There's always an 18-15 team from Big East of Big 12 on the bubble. Like Villanova last year or Okie Light two years ago. It's going to be so nice to finish 8th in conference at 21-12 ala TCU last year and be solidly in as a 9.

That's the other things our fans need to do is readjust us consistently boned for being in the Pac-12. Tad's had 4-21 win teams at CU not in the tourney. Name another power conference coach in America that has happened to. He's also had 4 teams finish top 5 in conference standings in a 12 team power conference and not make it to the tournament.

Who else has had that happen? It won't in the Big-12 and that's going to be great!
 
Buffsbball said:
Crazy thing is in the Big 12 with Maui Invitational in our OOC 16 wins is probably close to on the bubble..There's always an 18-15 team from Big East of Big 12 on the bubble. Like Villanova last year or Okie Light two years ago. It's going to be so nice to finish 8th in conference at 21-12 ala TCU last year and be solidly in as a 9.

That's the other things our fans need to do is readjust us consistently boned for being in the Pac-12. Tad's had 4-21 win teams at CU not in the tourney. Name another power conference coach in America that has happened to. He's also had 4 teams finish top 5 in conference standings in a 12 team power conference and not make it to the tournament.

Who else has had that happen? It won't in the Big-12 and that's going to be great!
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As long as we can win 21 games in the new conference.
 
Tony G. said:
damn, they might need to raise our tickets more than 15% to be competitive.
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I dont think NIL is paid by ticket prices directly, but... that is an interesting ROI conversation

17 home games with an average attendance of 7,500,

but a capacity of 11,000, or 3,500 empty seats per game or ~60,000 per year (opportunity)

Assuming you can get on average $15/seat for the extra seats, there is close to $1mil that you could spend on talent if it packs the stadium.


... Well, crap, finances still don't work...
 
GoBuffs!! said:
I dont think NIL is paid by ticket prices directly, but... that is an interesting ROI conversation

17 home games with an average attendance of 7,500,

but a capacity of 11,000, or 3,500 empty seats per game or ~60,000 per year (opportunity)

Assuming you can get on average $15/seat for the extra seats, there is close to $1mil that you could spend on talent if it packs the stadium.


... Well, crap, finances still don't work...
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More of a joke than anything, but looking at your numbers the missing piece is the revenue from food/beer, etc.
Then of course the additional revenue from getting to the NCAA tournament.
I was frustrated last year when they couldn't match the $1M for Knect. They had an open scholarship and a 3 big name players and a 1 year opportunity to make possibly the biggest impact for CU basketball of all time. It wouldn't make sense to outbid anyone this year for a similar player, but all the stars were aligned last year to make a huge run.
 
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