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Alamo Bowl - Colorado vs. BYU—Dec 28— 5:30 PM—ABC

These are weaknesses. You have to expect it to be there in the NFL. You would be a fool to not expect it otherwise. You love 2 for his elusiveness but sometimes you gotta take the initial sack or throw the ball out of bounds when the play is blown up. At some point, you just gotta recognize this as a part of his game. That's what scouting reports are for

#1 not sure of your thoughts on on this: The thing I noticed as SS's games progressed is SS either does not always recognize the hot/quick route or frequently checks out, thinking that he can get something better. SS just seems a tad slow executing those short passes. Honing the ability to do that could be a quick NFL fix and will help him a ton at the next level. I like that SS does not always check-down which some young QBs get in the habit of doing. SS is an awesome downfield (long crossing routes) and vertical passer, who I believe can be coached up. He will need a good/great coaching staff--finishing school. I don't think him being drafted in Top-5 and anointed QB1 on draft day playing for a franchise in tough straights is optimal, but the draft will determine that. Whoever takes needs to be somewhat patient, so he can develop or enhance some parts of his skill set.
 
He has Shedeur, the best pocket passer in football. He has Travis Hunter. The best player and 3 other NFL quality WRs and a massive drop off after that.
I truly hope CP learned this lesson based on the results in the past two years. Your skill talents means nothing when you don't have trench. You will always be killed by good teams. Always.
 
The Giants have a ****ty OL as well, as will just about any team drafting in the top 3.
The Giants OL is superior to ours. They have a star LT. They have another good tackle. The starters aren't bad. Their depth is horrible but it's still better than what 2 has right now. The worst OL in the NFL is still an massive upgrade over what we have given the levels of course. Shedeur is the first QB since Matt Ryan where he's going to have a position group that's massively better in the NFL than in college in respects to the level.

Ryan had a horrendous WR core and 2 has a horrendous OL and TE room. He has some kids with legit talent like Seaton and Cash but the rest is just G5 level at best, slightly better than last year. Even if you want to praise our 2nd half of the season pass pro, our run blocking in that same span including yesterday been horrendous. 29 broke 3 tackles for 2 damn yards. Every single time they ran, it was 4 on 5 and they were still getting stopped on running plays. How are we so unproductive against a light box? This should be an easy 20 to 30 yards if you are a pro back. RBs live for light boxes. OL live for it. UCF game was the only game where we treated light boxes like we were suppose to and they had some Dawgs on that defense.

Next year, we gotta address the interior OL outside of Cash and Cash has to improve as a run blocker. While Houston isn't more than a band aid, he's Penei Sewell for us. The gap between him and the next RT is massive. Thank goodness for Smitty coming.
 
I truly hope CP learned this lesson based on the results in the past two years. Your skill talents means nothing when you don't have trench. You will always be killed by good teams. Always.
I think Prime knows that. Everyone does. He talks about it every game, every practice, every media session. Saying this in gist because we are pissed doesn't change the fact that yes he knows it.

That said, it's a lot harder to win with a pocket passer in college. All of that processor and IQ just don't hold as much water as your supporting cast ain't NFL smart. They can't play at your level here. The NFL is where all that **** he does well translates. College, you can win with Tim Tebow. You don't need to tremendous pocket passer. Your supporting cast is only so smart. The only team i can remember watching in college and being like, they are NFL smart was Andrew Lucks Stanford team his senior year. Even then, they had physical limitations that NFL teams don't have.
 
You can't run that with FCS level TEs and a bad run blocking crew and expect to win games. He has Shedeur, the best pocket passer in football. He has Travis Hunter. The best player and 3 other NFL quality WRs and a massive drop off after that.

I saw Tcal video. What do you want Pat to do? Lose games playing his previous style which works in the NFL as you have quality players at every position or play to his strengths?

For even Tcal, there was a lot of stuff JSU ran that we simply couldn't because we couldn't execute it in practice much less the game.

We are still a work in progress. It's taking the trenches longer to catch up but they are getting better, but BYU killed them and Utah should have been a warning for us. We couldn't really do anything against Utah either. Just like this game, it was just big plays. The difference is, BYU offensive line is massively better than Utah this year. Fano couldn't make up the difference for his OL.
We have FCs level tight ends because of how we utilize them, its a choice. At some point you have to start looking at schemes/coaching and stop making the O-Line the scapegoat
 
The Giants OL is superior to ours. They have a star LT. They have another good tackle. The starters aren't bad. Their depth is horrible but it's still better than what 2 has right now. The worst OL in the NFL is still an massive upgrade over what we have given the levels of course. Shedeur is the first QB since Matt Ryan where he's going to have a position group that's massively better in the NFL than in college in respects to the level.

Ryan had a horrendous WR core and 2 has a horrendous OL and TE room. He has some kids with legit talent like Seaton and Cash but the rest is just G5 level at best, slightly better than last year. Even if you want to praise our 2nd half of the season pass pro, our run blocking in that same span including yesterday been horrendous. 29 broke 3 tackles for 2 damn yards. Every single time they ran, it was 4 on 5 and they were still getting stopped on running plays. How are we so unproductive against a light box? This should be an easy 20 to 30 yards if you are a pro back. RBs live for light boxes. OL live for it. UCF game was the only game where we treated light boxes like we were suppose to and they had some Dawgs on that defense.

Next year, we gotta address the interior OL outside of Cash and Cash has to improve as a run blocker. While Houston isn't more than a band aid, he's Penei Sewell for us. The gap between him and the next RT is massive. Thank goodness for Smitty coming.
I would hope every NFL OL is better than CU’s OL….

It’s all relative. The Giants OL is trash for NFL standards and they have to face Micah Parsons and other high end NFL pass rushers every week that are better than anyone Shedeur saw in college.
 
We have FCs level tight ends because of how we utilize them, it’s a choice. At some point you have to start looking at schemes/coaching and stop making the O-Line the scapegoat
Eh, our TE situation sucks because we want them to actually be NFL in line TEs and that’s not what the position is in high school and most college programs.
 
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Don't run 4 wide and pass when it's 4th and 1 when we have 29 who can get some short yardage? Did they even practice that?


I didn't see Tcal video and I don't need to, I have been saying this ever since the beginning of the season, you can check my conversation history. I pointed this out way before Tcal, it's very obvious.
Tcal went through JSU offense. You will notice they ran even more concepts than us but if you can't block the man in front of you, you are going to be limited in run block.

He also went through Pat old offenses. He's not going to run **** like that with Salter or Juju. Different games. The quality of certain positions can only go so low in the NFL. In college, it's hilarious the gap between teams. We are one of those teams where we have top end guys but we still lack the quality depth and that's what winning programs have an abundance of
 
Tcal went through JSU offense. You will notice they ran even more concepts than us but if you can't block the man in front of you, you are going to be limited in run block.

He also went through Pat old offenses. He's not going to run **** like that with Salter or Juju. Different games. The quality of certain positions can only go so low in the NFL. In college, it's hilarious the gap between teams. We are one of those teams where we have top end guys but we still lack the quality depth and that's what winning programs have an abundance of
I will watch his video today. I stopped following him a while ago because he talked too much about Indiana. My time in football is limited and I have zero interest in other teams.
 
I would hope every NFL OL is better than CU’s OL….

It’s all relative. The Giants OL is trash for NFL standards and they have to face Micah Parsons and other high end NFL pass rushers every week that are better than anyone Shedeur saw in college.
There is no NFL equivalent to CU TE or OL unit. Just like there was no NFL equivalent to BC WR core. Some units are just much worse in contrast regardless of level. No NFL WR core can be as bad as BCs was when Ryan was there. Same for our OL and TE.
 
Who recruited the last two rounds of TE and OL and is using it as a scapegoat?

Have we done what we need to develop a pipeline going into year 3 where you’d expect to start reaping those benefits
 
Tcal went through JSU offense. You will notice they ran even more concepts than us but if you can't block the man in front of you, you are going to be limited in run block.

He also went through Pat old offenses. He's not going to run **** like that with Salter or Juju. Different games. The quality of certain positions can only go so low in the NFL. In college, it's hilarious the gap between teams. We are one of those teams where we have top end guys but we still lack the quality depth and that's what winning programs have an abundance of
And just to clarify, I am not saying Pat's offense will work for us. I don't know how many creativity he has.

I'm just saying this is Shedeur scheme. Maybe Pat called the play, maybe he tailored for Shedeur, in the end of day, this is Shedeur offense, I don't think anyone can deny this. This is not opinion, this is fact based on film.

I'm very interested in the offensive scheme we run next year. I feel like Salter and Juju needs different style of offense. But one thing I know is, we will be killed by all good teams in big12 again if we can't run the ball.
 
The reason why the NFL is so hard for most QBs is they are going from having a stacked OL, WR core, RB room, and just being allowed to do what they do and then they gotta go to where it's balanced. No team is that much worse than the next, it's hard every damn week.

Rarely you get a guy like Shedeur Sanders or Matt Ryan where their situation had some major blemishes and they generally overcame them. Most guys were on stacked squads offensively.
 
Then just put in a extra OLineman
Then that’s one less person for the defense to account for (insert joke about not having to account for our TEs anyways).

They have to decide what they want the identity of the offense to be moving forward. If they want to continue the 10 and 11 personnel as their base offensive sets, then they need to go all in with the Air Raid stuff. If they want to move more toward a traditional Pat Shurmur offense, tailored to the shotgun and college rules/concepts, then they have to change their recruiting. Based on the TEs they have signed from college and HS, I would say the latter is where they’re going.
 
You can't run that with FCS level TEs and a bad run blocking crew and expect to win games. He has Shedeur, the best pocket passer in football. He has Travis Hunter. The best player and 3 other NFL quality WRs and a massive drop off after that.

I saw Tcal video. What do you want Pat to do? Lose games playing his previous style which works in the NFL as you have quality players at every position or play to his strengths?

For even Tcal, there was a lot of stuff JSU ran that we simply couldn't because we couldn't execute it in practice much less the game.

We are still a work in progress. It's taking the trenches longer to catch up but they are getting better, but BYU killed them and Utah should have been a warning for us. We couldn't really do anything against Utah either. Just like this game, it was just big plays. The difference is, BYU offensive line is massively better than Utah this year. Fano couldn't make up the difference for his OL.
This constant defense of PS' offense when it's an absolute dog pile of **** with no creativity and ignores any successful concepts that other schools use is baffling.
 
You can't run that with FCS level TEs and a bad run blocking crew and expect to win games. He has Shedeur, the best pocket passer in football. He has Travis Hunter. The best player and 3 other NFL quality WRs and a massive drop off after that.

I saw Tcal video. What do you want Pat to do? Lose games playing his previous style which works in the NFL as you have quality players at every position or play to his strengths?

For even Tcal, there was a lot of stuff JSU ran that we simply couldn't because we couldn't execute it in practice much less the game.

We are still a work in progress. It's taking the trenches longer to catch up but they are getting better, but BYU killed them and Utah should have been a warning for us. We couldn't really do anything against Utah either. Just like this game, it was just big plays. The difference is, BYU offensive line is massively better than Utah this year. Fano couldn't make up the difference for his OL.

#1, you are correct. This offense was dictated by the talent we had at certain positions, and lack of talent or developing talent/youth at other positions. This year on O, CU played to its strengths with 9 wins--very exciting, not always pretty, and not balanced. I don't understand why the PS is always being criticized ... even for games we won. This is PS's offense for this year, however the roster was not even built to run a "PS zone run, heavy personnel set . . ." Throw in a 1st round (top-5 QB) and they get to dictate some things, even if daddy is not the coach--SS and TH were the best players on the field for CU.

I'm sure if CU had a Graham at TE, Gurode and Rogers on the interior, a Drumm at FB and 3 NFL backs (Cortland Johnson played a few years as a swiss army knife 3rd down guy), then something resembling an old PS offense may have partly emerged. Yet this year, it would have been hard to shackle our QB/ignore the talent at WR throwing the ball 20-25 times a game.

Also, one cannot really second guess the talent/roster build that Prime & CO brought in, having less than 2 years to do it. Certainly, we hit on a few guys and missed on others. A 100% revamp of an Oline in one off-season is a tough task. In the end, we flipped a 1-11 roster into a 4 win team, then a 9 win team, which is a lightning pace.
 
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Who recruited the last two rounds of TE and OL and is using it as a scapegoat?

Have we done what we need to develop a pipeline going into year 3 where you’d expect to start reaping those benefits
They missed on their portal guys in year 2. Year 1 coaches on offense are gone outside of Flea or moved position groups. We can hammer Brett, Flea, and Phil as they didn't land good players in the portal. Phil missed on the portal guys, we need to see improvement. Brett completely missed with Matayer. That's on him. He also failed to sign a prep TE or land Cole Taylor who played well for West Virginia this year. That cost us some games, likely including this one.

As for Flea, he's in a tough situation. His room significantly got worse compared to last year. To me, we need to really evaluate Flea.

Brett, only been the TE coach for a year and he recruited well as a WR coach.

Phil's HS recruiting is his saving grace as well as the castoff signing of Phillip Houston. Mayers, Benson, Kirkland, Walker, and Johnson all flopped. Owens is still growing. He didn't bring in Harden or Brown, those were the previous guy, guys. I believe in Phil just due to the improvement I've seen from them outside of yesterday. I honestly think Utah should have been a warning for us. We struggled on offense that game. It was mainly big time plays. We couldn't get the offense in a rhythm at all but BYU whoop us on the ground and special teams and Utah got stomped in those areas.

We been what we have been all year. One deminsional and the crazy thing, this was the best I've seen our passing game in all 4 years watching Shedeur. A testament to his growth but we did a good job recruiting at WR. Even the depth was tremendous to a degree.
 
This constant defense of PS' offense when it's an absolute dog pile of **** with no creativity and ignores any successful concepts that other schools use is baffling.
Every time we tried a creative play, the OL screwed up and blew it from the start. I don't know how that's on PS. We were more creative than people think, but teams are selling out to stop the pass and the run blocking is horrendous. We are handcuffed
 
I was concerned when CP was excited to have Jeremiah Brown back from portal. He is not even a good depth pieces by CP's standard.
 
Then that’s one less person for the defense to account for (insert joke about not having to account for our TEs anyways).

They have to decide what they want the identity of the offense to be moving forward. If they want to continue the 10 and 11 personnel as their base offensive sets, then they need to go all in with the Air Raid stuff. If they want to move more toward a traditional Pat Shurmur offense, tailored to the shotgun and college rules/concepts, then they have to change their recruiting. Based on the TEs they have signed from college and HS, I would say the latter is where they’re going.
That's all I'm saying. Something needs to change going forward. The run game has to be some sort of threat. Also, the RB's we have currently do not fit with the air raid, imo
 
Colorado’s OL next year will be better than it was this year.
Colorado’s DL next year will be better than it was this year.
It's going to be better just due to our HS recruits like Smitty and Gooden. The guys we got in the portal type what Phil does as well so that's an upgrade as well.

We aren't losing much on the DL. Chidozie will hurt but we are gaining a potential 1st rounder in Oatis. We are deep on the EDGE. Still think we need a run stopping EDGE with size.

LB position is bothersome. We saw that without NHG, we are in trouble there. We need at least 2 more LBs in the portal outside of Hughes.
 
That's all I'm saying. Something needs to change going forward. The run game has to be some sort of threat. Also, the RB's we have currently do not fit with the air raid, imo
Losing Edwards was massive. Last year OL was worse and we did better just due to the quality of the backs
 
My impression is they moved into media and party mode. Heisman, flying out 50 teammates, fancy plane to SA, big secret Santa, normal bowl festivities, incoming freshman at practice (maybe normal also).

I'm not even sure all that is wrong to do, but the team was not in focused and not in football mode.

We have seen lots, maybe even a plurality, of CFB teams in bowl games with the same problem.

I'm bummed because bowls have been so rare for CU, but also not going to sweat it much.
I was assured that no team can just be up for every game.
 
Then that’s one less person for the defense to account for (insert joke about not having to account for our TEs anyways).

They have to decide what they want the identity of the offense to be moving forward. If they want to continue the 10 and 11 personnel as their base offensive sets, then they need to go all in with the Air Raid stuff. If they want to move more toward a traditional Pat Shurmur offense, tailored to the shotgun and college rules/concepts, then they have to change their recruiting. Based on the TEs they have signed from college and HS, I would say the latter is where they’re going.
I’m telling you, the offense we’ll see next year will be MUCH different than this year. This was 100000000% SS2s offense. This has been explicitly explained to Juju and Salter.
 
Losing Edwards was massive. Last year OL was worse and we did better just due to the quality of the backs
Agreed, Edwards is the type of back you need for the offense we were running. Like Yak said they need to go all in on a identity. Outside of Wr, it seems like we want pro-style players for an offense that isn't pro style.
 
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