Maybe thru prayer, they will undo the rapes?
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Baylor Rape HQ - (major lawsuit settled)
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Can't undo rapes.
What they can do is at least let them know that by reporting them and cooperating with law enforcement (sometimes when law enforcement didn't want to) they will make the university a safer place.
The question for Baylor is will they finally start putting the safety of these women and the general public ahead of winning games? Will they make significant changes (other than throwing Briles under the bus) and change the entire attitude of the program.
The awareness that they could be looking at some large financial judgements could help Baylor in their decision making process. The prospect of much larger judgements in the future due to a failure to change priorities should be a bigger incentive.
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The appreciation for Baylor BOR's announcements is starting to wear off for me today. While it's never too late to do the right thing by releasing Briles, I remain incredibly angry about the whole situation. People suck sometimes.
Deleted member 807
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This sporting news piece resonates with me.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...al-assault-ken-starr/unyiugczrfoqze53cpkwdair
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...al-assault-ken-starr/unyiugczrfoqze53cpkwdair
Solid, solid story. Will be interesting if others in the national media see it the same way.
I heard a very well respected local sports writer, who is a vocal Baylor alum, give his take on it the other day. Very much what you would expect to hear. Briles is a good guy. Does tons for charity. So many good players who do the right thing and lead productive lives in society. Only a small percentage are a problem. No acknowledgment of the system that Briles created and fed. No acknowledgment of all the young women who's lives have been changed forever and the institution that looked the other way. Infuriating.
And when prayer doesn't work, there's always coercion and blaming the victim.
I don't distinguish between those things
Not knocking the faithful here, just the institutions who use it as a shield.
Just like any religion the Baptist are made up a bunch of sinners. Most of these people use the church to guide them to a better path in life, it provides them with a moral compass.
Unfortunately there are always some people who will twist and distort anything good to satisfy their own greed and desire for power. This looks to be the case here.
That still doesn't let the institution off the hook. Churches have a responsibility to meet a higher standard because of the position of trust they hold in peoples lives. The institutions affiliated with them share this higher standard.
Baylor failed to meet that higher standard and needs to be made an example of if for no other reason than to provide an incentive for others to make decisions that uphold those standards.
Where is the church in all this?
At the temple, minding the money tables.
Actually a very good question.
Baylor is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Churches. Unlike the Catholic Church (Notre Dame, Boston College, etc.) or the Mormon Church (BYU) the Baptist do not have a strong hierarchy governing their churches, power is localized within the local churches who are expected to follow a general set of guidelines agree upon in conventions but there really is no strong central authority.
Deleted member 807
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Notnert427's post on the TTU scout board is the best thing to come out of Lubbock since Chiaverini.
http://www.scout.com/college/texas-...413-the-house-that-rape-built/183684967?s=188
Read the whole thing. Behind the spoiler a cut about Baylor hiding behind private school status.
http://www.scout.com/college/texas-...413-the-house-that-rape-built/183684967?s=188
Read the whole thing. Behind the spoiler a cut about Baylor hiding behind private school status.
Baylor football before Briles had been a laughingstock for decades. They were a perennial cellar-dweller and had no real hope of becoming anything more. Then, almost overnight, things changed under Briles. Suddenly, Baylor started reeling in blue-chip recruits under dubious circumstances involving street agents, recruits with newfound piles of cash and new trucks, etc. Talent already on the roster was retained in the face of repeated incidents. Drug incidents began to pile up, with Baylor continually citing university-administered passed drug tests by players who would promptly have another drug incident. Josh Gordon became an addict as a result, which is an issue he's still struggling mightily with despite being five years removed from Baylor. Moreover, Baylor became the landing spot for athletes kicked out of other schools. Enter talents like Phil Taylor, Lache Seastrunk, Darryl Stonum, Mike Orakpo, Sam Ukwuachu, and Shawn Oakman, none of whom would have ever come to Baylor otherwise. All were welcomed with open arms at Baylor despite their known issues. Half of these players have since been charged with assaults, and two of them raped women while at Baylor. All told, there have been eleven rapes reported against Briles' football players. Twelve assaults. Twenty-five total arrests. And that's just the incidents that have gone public, despite Baylor's best efforts.
Privacy, Please
Privacy has been wielded by Baylor as the ultimate trump card. As a private university, Baylor was not subject to the same standards as its public peers. This is a loophole that needs to be closed, as it was abused to great effect here to prolong the discovery of what was really going on behind the scenes. As a result of this, it has been suggested that if private schools wish to enjoy the spoils of playing alongside public schools in collegiate athletics, they should have to play by the same rules in terms of transparency, and that certainly seems to be an idea worth exploring further. However, Baylor regents bristled at the very idea of transparency here, snapping at reporters that "you need to respect the fact that Baylor is a private institution". Such a statement is a pompous taunt from behind the wall of "privacy", as if Baylor is somehow above reproach and anyone who dares question it is completely out of line. This is a frightening bit of insight into the mindset that allowed the appalling crimes to occur in the first place. Outside the Lines is the one who finally brought this story into the mainstream, but even they had to circumvent the obfuscation by demanding the records of the Waco police department. This uncovered some previously hidden crimes in addition to exposing law enforcement corruption that went as far as to delete records from the database of crimes committed by Baylor athletes.
Baylor's effort to conflate the PH report with the Board-crafted "Findings of Fact" appears to have been a largely successful one. In their release, they do a masterful job presenting it as if it came from Pepper Hamilton, and put the link to it atop the page. It's the shiny object to distract everyone from the footnote at the bottom of the page that indicates that the "Findings of Fact" report was actually prepared by the Board. There have been precious few calls for details, and I've seen multiple media outlets call it a "full report" when it's anything but. The "Findings of Fact" does not name any offenders. It largely avoids referencing incidents, and does not list how many incidents there were. It instead offers vague, non-specific "failures", as it calls them, because "failure" implies that everything was just a giant series of mistakes instead of institutional intent to conceal crimes. As if "oopsie daisy, we accidentally retaliated against a rape victim" serves as a valid explanation or worthwhile apology.
Baylor again managed to hide behind privacy here, citing that Federal Law prevents them from releasing details of the cases. This is simply not the case. First of all, we have at least one victim on record that has publicly waived her FERPA rights in the hope of getting justice, so there is nothing preventing them from releasing those details apart from the fact that they simply don't want to. Moreover, details absolutely can be released without violating anyone's rights if the names are simply redacted accordingly or if the victims are referenced in unidentifiable fashion such as "victim A" to preserve anonymity. Let's also acknowledge that virtually no one is interested in the horrific, explicit minutiae of each incident, as people simply wish to know what crimes occurred and how many of them there actually were. Frankly, the victims are owed that much at the very least.
Privacy, Please
Privacy has been wielded by Baylor as the ultimate trump card. As a private university, Baylor was not subject to the same standards as its public peers. This is a loophole that needs to be closed, as it was abused to great effect here to prolong the discovery of what was really going on behind the scenes. As a result of this, it has been suggested that if private schools wish to enjoy the spoils of playing alongside public schools in collegiate athletics, they should have to play by the same rules in terms of transparency, and that certainly seems to be an idea worth exploring further. However, Baylor regents bristled at the very idea of transparency here, snapping at reporters that "you need to respect the fact that Baylor is a private institution". Such a statement is a pompous taunt from behind the wall of "privacy", as if Baylor is somehow above reproach and anyone who dares question it is completely out of line. This is a frightening bit of insight into the mindset that allowed the appalling crimes to occur in the first place. Outside the Lines is the one who finally brought this story into the mainstream, but even they had to circumvent the obfuscation by demanding the records of the Waco police department. This uncovered some previously hidden crimes in addition to exposing law enforcement corruption that went as far as to delete records from the database of crimes committed by Baylor athletes.
Baylor's effort to conflate the PH report with the Board-crafted "Findings of Fact" appears to have been a largely successful one. In their release, they do a masterful job presenting it as if it came from Pepper Hamilton, and put the link to it atop the page. It's the shiny object to distract everyone from the footnote at the bottom of the page that indicates that the "Findings of Fact" report was actually prepared by the Board. There have been precious few calls for details, and I've seen multiple media outlets call it a "full report" when it's anything but. The "Findings of Fact" does not name any offenders. It largely avoids referencing incidents, and does not list how many incidents there were. It instead offers vague, non-specific "failures", as it calls them, because "failure" implies that everything was just a giant series of mistakes instead of institutional intent to conceal crimes. As if "oopsie daisy, we accidentally retaliated against a rape victim" serves as a valid explanation or worthwhile apology.
Baylor again managed to hide behind privacy here, citing that Federal Law prevents them from releasing details of the cases. This is simply not the case. First of all, we have at least one victim on record that has publicly waived her FERPA rights in the hope of getting justice, so there is nothing preventing them from releasing those details apart from the fact that they simply don't want to. Moreover, details absolutely can be released without violating anyone's rights if the names are simply redacted accordingly or if the victims are referenced in unidentifiable fashion such as "victim A" to preserve anonymity. Let's also acknowledge that virtually no one is interested in the horrific, explicit minutiae of each incident, as people simply wish to know what crimes occurred and how many of them there actually were. Frankly, the victims are owed that much at the very least.
Idot Buff
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I also liked this bit from the Scout article..
A perusal of Baylor's fan forums offers a downright disturbing window into the fanbase. Admittedly, internet forums often feature the lowest common denominator of fan by giving any yahoo an anonymous voice, but the backwards morality is immediately evident. One fan wrote of being "devastated" and "physically ill", which seems like an appropriate reaction to the situation until you open the thread and learn that the fan is "devastated" that Baylor fired Briles and "physically ill" that Baylor "caved to the liberal media". A moderator of the forum, who in theory is supposed to be a rational voice, had a thread entitled "I read the report, but don't see why we fired Briles".
A perusal of Baylor's fan forums offers a downright disturbing window into the fanbase. Admittedly, internet forums often feature the lowest common denominator of fan by giving any yahoo an anonymous voice, but the backwards morality is immediately evident. One fan wrote of being "devastated" and "physically ill", which seems like an appropriate reaction to the situation until you open the thread and learn that the fan is "devastated" that Baylor fired Briles and "physically ill" that Baylor "caved to the liberal media". A moderator of the forum, who in theory is supposed to be a rational voice, had a thread entitled "I read the report, but don't see why we fired Briles".
Yes. Go to the link and read the whole thing. It's kind of Skiddy to produce the sample, but read the whole thing.
Solid piece there, I never knew that about Lebby but don't color me shocked.
Love me some spirituality. Really starting to hate me some religion.
I am religious, maybe not as good as I could be but I don't flaunt it to people that aren't. To each their own.
But the religion of winning....
If you profess to be a Christian school with Christian values, you are rightly, in my opinion, held to a higher standard. You are accountable to God. Baylor leadership must reassess their values and mission. One thing that disturbs me is that they've ignored the warning signs for years and now judgement is at hand, I suppose. What's the saying? "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Or something.
sorry for coming off the top rope, DBT, but your statement is so offensive to me (which isn't to say that I'm offended).
What the **** are you talking about?
The standard, across all organizations, is to treat people with dignity and respect. It bothers me greatly when Christians think they have some sort of monopoly on that idea. It's a shared responsibility regardless of your creed.
It's even more laughable when you consider that (anecdotally) self-proclaimed Christian organizations seem the most likely to fall short of that basic standard of dignity and respect. Higher standard? Whatever. I'll be happy when we all (Christian and otherwise) strive to meet the basic standard.
This notion that somehow Christians are special just blows my mind. Especially in the face of all evidence...
What the **** are you talking about?
The standard, across all organizations, is to treat people with dignity and respect. It bothers me greatly when Christians think they have some sort of monopoly on that idea. It's a shared responsibility regardless of your creed.
It's even more laughable when you consider that (anecdotally) self-proclaimed Christian organizations seem the most likely to fall short of that basic standard of dignity and respect. Higher standard? Whatever. I'll be happy when we all (Christian and otherwise) strive to meet the basic standard.
This notion that somehow Christians are special just blows my mind. Especially in the face of all evidence...
I think it goes beyond ignoring the warning signs. They encouraged the program being run in this manner and even stepped in to intimidate female students who tried to rock the boat by reporting they were raped.
DBT, from your perspective I would assume that this isn't just allowing evil to fester through a lack of diligence or even turning a blind eye to evil, it is actively engaging in it.
In the case of **** bailer, though, they do present themselves as living by a higher moral standard and offer that as a core thing they teach their students. I don't agree with DBT that this demands they actually behave at a higher standard (the standard is the standard on a thing as basic as punishing rapists and protecting victims), but I do think the level of hypocrisy is much greater with an organization that preaches at the world the way **** bailer does.
Exactly my point. They are incredible hypocrites, hiding behind the idea they are morally superior. But they don't have a higher standard. They have the same standard, and they've failed to live up to it, while pretending they have a higher standard.
EDIT: I think the reason I found DBT's post so frustrating, is that he was preaching the same moral superiority that Baylor does. To me it's incredibly annoying that Christians believe they are the only ones with a moral code.
I personally think that Christianity abdicated its claim to a higher morality when they they inserted this bit about Jesus absolving one's sins through forgiveness. Even while you're committing the sin, this get-out-of-jail-free-card gives the sinner the moral flexibility to bypass the cognitive process it takes to actually decide to stop hurting oneself or others.
Or to report a rape.