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Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs

hokiehead said:
I guess my biggest issue with this entire discussion is some are noticing "hey, what they're doing is permissible by the rules and advantageous for those other teams". And then instead of the next thought being "maybe we should do that too!", instead it's "we should change the rules to stop them from doing something we could do if we wanted".
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Because it's ****ing bull****. People want to see games between good teams, not games that solely exist for their coaches to trigger their win bonus and pad their overall records.
 
Jens1893 said:
Because it's ****ing bull****. People want to see games between good teams, not games that solely exist for their coaches to trigger their win bonus and pad their overall records.
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And if the SEC wants to do it and it's legal let them, but absolutely don't reward them for it.
 
Jens1893 said:
Because it's ****ing bull****. People want to see games between good teams, not games that solely exist for their coaches to trigger their win bonus and pad their overall records.
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Many chose to up their schedules in prep for this format. That’s not for the fans, good games against good opponents for good fans. They did that to get to the new money offered by the playoff. Now that’s been dampened by the Committee.
 
Jens1893 said:
Because it's ****ing bull****. People want to see games between good teams, not games that solely exist for their coaches to trigger their win bonus and pad their overall records.
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I think this is the most honest point made yet on that side of the discussion. Thanks for keeping it real, Jens.
 
MtnBuff said:
And if the SEC wants to do it and it's legal let them, but absolutely don't reward them for it.
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That's true. Imagine the NFC East saying "no, guys, we don't want that 17th regular season game against an AFC opponent, we'll just schedule a game against a college team on a bye for that weekend" and thereby inflating their records and gaining more playoff spots.
 
Jens1893 said:
That's true. Imagine the NFC East saying "no, guys, we don't want that 17th regular season game against an AFC opponent, we'll just schedule a game against a college team on a bye for that weekend" and thereby inflating their records and gaining more playoff spots.
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Yes, some played a 9th conference game. So what? Their schedule was weaker than some than played 8. And they got rewarded for it. That’s a playoff model that awards wins against mid opponents. Look, it happened this year. Let’s see if changes are made.
 
The SEC hasn't gone to 9 conference games because ESPN isn't willing to pay for the extra content. That aside, the late season FCS/lower level G5 game is a crap weekend for the SEC. People tend to forget that some ACC teams do it too.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
This conversation is being had in the context of the SEC, B1G, ACC and Big 12 playing 8/9 conference games and you’re one example back is Army??

Goodnight, hokie
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I 100% was under the impression this discussion was about FBS teams eligible for the CFP and not limited to Power'ish conferences. I absolutely did not intend to be disingenuous in that regard.
 
hokiehead said:
In the context of the thread title and discussion, I did assume (reasonably?) that's what you were discussing.

But, ok. Help me out. If not the CFP/MNC, to my reckoning, the only two meaningful things college football teams compete for are conference championships and revenue. Maybe there's something else you have in mind, because I don't see how 8 vs 9 game schedules help with either. I'm listening though.
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This is the bowl game thread, not the playoff thread, so I’m confused on why you’re limiting this conversation to the CFP. We’ve talked about the advantages that bowl games provide to teams for years on this site. I think it’s obvious how fewer conference games help teams improve their records.

Also, are ignoring my point that 8 fewer losses in a conference has the effect of raising the collective SOS of that conference.

Are you trolling us right now or digging in because you want to be right? I’m not sure why you’re doubling down on what feels like a silly and unfounded claim.
 
Uncle Ken said:
This is the bowl game thread, not the playoff thread, so I’m confused on why you’re limiting this conversation to the CFP. We’ve talked about the advantages that bowl games provide to teams for years on this site. I think it’s obvious how fewer conference games help teams improve their records.

Also, are ignoring my point that 8 fewer losses in a conference has the effect of raising the collective SOS of that conference.

Are you trolling us right now or digging in because you want to be right? I’m not sure why you’re doubling down on what feels like a silly and unfounded claim.
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Title of thread says playoffs. Been discussed.
 
hokiehead said:
Source? Army would be very interested to learn this.

I'm not saying it's not a factor, but I think it's going too far to state that as certain fact.
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Is Army in a P4 conference? This is a bad faith argument.

EDIT: Yak got there first.
 
Uncle Ken said:
This is the bowl game thread, not the playoff thread, so I’m confused on why you’re limiting this conversation to the CFO. We’ve talked about the advantages that bowl games provide to teams for years on this site.

Also, are ignoring my point that 8 fewer losses in a conference has the effect of raising the collective SOS of that conference.

Are you trolling us right now or digging in because you want to be right? I’m not sure why you’re doubling down on what feels like a silly and unfounded claim.
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RE the bolded.

Those 8 fewer less opposite-of-more losses may raise the overall conference SOS, but in most cases would hurt the SOS of the top teams in that conference.

I hate this is coming across as potentially trolling. Not what I am about and not what I wanted. I 100% believe my points are relevant and valid. Clearly I'm not communicating well, and I thank you for making that apparent to me.

Please be specific what claim I'm making that you find silly and unfounded.

RE the italicized. My mistake, I thought this thread was also scoped to the CFP. I'm still interested in how you think 8 game schedules give teams a meaningful advantage not related to CFP selection.
 
hokiehead said:
RE the bolded.

Those 8 fewer less opposite-of-more losses may raise the overall conference SOS, but in most cases would hurt the SOS of the top teams in that conference.

I hate this is coming across as potentially trolling. Not what I am about and not what I wanted. I 100% believe my points are relevant and valid. Clearly I'm not communicating well, and I thank you for making that apparent to me.

RE the italicized. My mistake, I thought this thread was also scoped to the CFP. I'm still interested in how you think 8 game schedules give teams a meaningful advantage not related to CFP selection.
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8 conference game teams ALWAYS have a lower SoS. That seems to be the argument. It’s flat out wrong.
 
hawg1 said:
Not at all. Just pointing out the title of thus thread and that it was discussed last night. That’s not gaslighting, at all.
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The title of the thread (as it reads on my browser) is:

Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs​


So why would we be limited to discussing the playoffs? It seems like a pretty good place to discuss bowl games too (which Hokie has been unwilling to do).
 
Uncle Ken said:
The title of the thread (as it reads on my browser) is:

Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs​


So why would we be limited to discussing the playoffs? It seems like a pretty good place to discuss bowl games too (which Hokie has been unwilling to do).
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I see your point, now.
 
I think rewatching all of Purdue's games this season would be more exciting than following the thread at this point. If I want to read an academic article I go on Scihub.
 
hawg1 said:
8 conference game teams ALWAYS have a lower SoS. That seems to be the argument. It’s flat out wrong.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that, but regardless, it's simple to fact check.

You got a bunch of 8 conf game SEC teams with the best SOS. Then we see what looks like" a proportionate mix of 8s and 9s after that. The ACC isn't getting an obvious advantage.

Of tangential interest to this discussion are the SOS rankings of schools that were discussed as bubble teams;
7 Tennessee
11 Alabama
16 Clemson
31 Indiana
34 SMU
36 Ole Miss
57 Miami
81 Boise St

*I'm not doing the math tonight. Small probability Im sufficiently motivated tomorrow to look at it.

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hokiehead said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that, but regardless, it's simple to fact check.

You got a bunch of 8 conf game SEC teams with the best SOS. Then we see what looks like" a proportionate mix of 8s and 9s after that. The ACC isn't getting an obvious advantage.

Of tangential interest to this discussion are the SOS rankings of schools that were discussed as bubble teams;
7 Tennessee
11 Alabama
16 Clemson
31 Indiana
34 SMU
36 Ole Miss
57 Miami
81 Boise St

*I'm not doing the math tonight. Small probability Im sufficiently motivated tomorrow to look at it.

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Hard for some.
 
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