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Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs

NW Buff said:
The final 4 are Texas, Ohio state, ND and PSU. I’ll need move evidence before I agree that this is anything other than the normal cyclical nature of cfb.
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There’s no such thing as cyclical nature of CFB in the modern, CFP era. It’s been Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State as the primary winners/contenders every year. LSU had a super team in 2019 (on the back of a transfer QB) and Michigan paid all their veteran players to come back for one more season to win it all last year.

And honestly, the fact that Penn State, Texas and ND are in the semis while Alabama didn’t even make the playoff, Clemson wasn’t competitive, and Georgia was outclassed should tell you that there is parity happening.

We were also one play from Arizona State being in the semi finals instead of Texas. SMU in year one of being a P4 program went 11-3. Indiana, weak schedule or not, went 11-1 solely based on the portal and NIL. CU went from 1-11 to 9-3 in two years because of the portal and NIL.

I’m not sure how anyone can take a holistic look at the landscape of college football right now and say that portal and NIL haven’t brought more parity than we’ve seen in decades, if not ever, to this sport
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
There’s no such thing as cyclical nature of CFB in the modern, CFP era. It’s been Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State as the primary winners/contenders every year. LSU had a super team in 2019 (on the back of a transfer QB) and Michigan paid all their veteran players to come back for one more season to win it all last year.

And honestly, the fact that Penn State, Texas and ND are in the semis while Alabama didn’t even make the playoff, Clemson wasn’t competitive, and Georgia was outclassed should tell you that there is parity happening.

We were also one play from Arizona State being in the semi finals instead of Texas. SMU in year one of being a P4 program went 11-3. Indiana, weak schedule or not, went 11-1 solely based on the portal and NIL. CU went from 1-11 to 9-3 in two years because of the portal and NIL.

I’m not sure how anyone can take a holistic look at the landscape of college football right now and say that portal and NIL haven’t brought more parity than we’ve seen in decades, if not ever, to this sport
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When I was younger, psu and nd were routinely in the national championship discussion. Texas less so but still a blue blood.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
There’s no such thing as cyclical nature of CFB in the modern, CFP era. It’s been Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State as the primary winners/contenders every year. LSU had a super team in 2019 (on the back of a transfer QB) and Michigan paid all their veteran players to come back for one more season to win it all last year.

And honestly, the fact that Penn State, Texas and ND are in the semis while Alabama didn’t even make the playoff, Clemson wasn’t competitive, and Georgia was outclassed should tell you that there is parity happening.

We were also one play from Arizona State being in the semi finals instead of Texas. SMU in year one of being a P4 program went 11-3. Indiana, weak schedule or not, went 11-1 solely based on the portal and NIL. CU went from 1-11 to 9-3 in two years because of the portal and NIL.

I’m not sure how anyone can take a holistic look at the landscape of college football right now and say that portal and NIL haven’t brought more parity than we’ve seen in decades, if not ever, to this sport
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Some teams have pulled themselves up to middle class. And are more competitive, indeed. And the bluebloods remain the bluebloods. Both can be true.

This final four could have happened in the 60s. Or 90s. This final four group has been around a long time, fairly consistently.

Clemson made the best short-term run to the upper echelon, but it didn’t seem to stick. Maybe UGA sticks. Or not.

All in all, more teams are competitive, games are generally close, upsets happen, road games remain tough in many conferences. It’s a good product IMO.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
There’s no such thing as cyclical nature of CFB in the modern, CFP era. It’s been Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State as the primary winners/contenders every year. LSU had a super team in 2019 (on the back of a transfer QB) and Michigan paid all their veteran players to come back for one more season to win it all last year.

And honestly, the fact that Penn State, Texas and ND are in the semis while Alabama didn’t even make the playoff, Clemson wasn’t competitive, and Georgia was outclassed should tell you that there is parity happening.

We were also one play from Arizona State being in the semi finals instead of Texas. SMU in year one of being a P4 program went 11-3. Indiana, weak schedule or not, went 11-1 solely based on the portal and NIL. CU went from 1-11 to 9-3 in two years because of the portal and NIL.

I’m not sure how anyone can take a holistic look at the landscape of college football right now and say that portal and NIL haven’t brought more parity than we’ve seen in decades, if not ever, to this sport
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The unlimited transfer rules mean that talented players aren't tied to a team where they are stuck on the bench behind another talented player (or a guy who is a coaches favorite or who doesn't fit the system,) and guys who outperform their expectations coming out of high school aren't stuck at a place that is below their ability.

What doesn't get talked about as much but could end up be another levelling factor is NIL. The ability to make some money while going to school is likely to keep some more guys in college who would otherwise be going pro hoping to get drafted in later rounds or be a UDFA. It goes from risking losing money by staying to the college money being a sure thing compared to what they "might" make if they manage to make a roster or a practice squad.

There are some really good college players who don't project well into the NFL, now they have a reason to stay. This isn't going to impact guys who project to go in the first 3-4 rounds but for the next level of player it can keep them on a college roster.
 
hawg1 said:
Some teams have pulled themselves up to middle class. And are more competitive, indeed. And the bluebloods remain the bluebloods. Both can be true.

This final four could have happened in the 60s. Or 90s. This final four group has been around a long time, fairly consistently.

Clemson made the best short-term run to the upper echelon, but it didn’t seem to stick. Maybe UGA sticks. Or not.

All in all, more teams are competitive, games are generally close, upsets happen, road games remain tough in many conferences. It’s a good product IMO.
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Soooo there’s more parity today?
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Soooo there’s more parity today?
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There was undoubtedly more parity this year but at the same time it's just 1 year of parity and it remains to be seen if this year was an anomaly or a trend. We just had a season where 3 of the 4 CFP teams from 2023 didn't make a 12-team playoff and 2 of those teams won 6 and 7 games in the regular season.

Next year will be pivotal for a number of coaches who will likely be out of a job if they don't make the CFP or improve dramatically: Brian Kelly, Napier, DeBoer, Lincoln Riley, Norvell, Venables, Gundy, Doeren.
 
hawg1 said:
Yes. In the middle class. Assuredly. And the bluebloods remain bluebloods.
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But do we see the bluebloods remain bluebloods in the same way as they have or do we see some much more pronounced variations in results.

Alabama is always going to have some advantages. They have name recognition, they don't have to worry about funding NIL, they have a rich recruiting pipeline.

Still most people would not have expected them to be a 3 loss team, especially with 2 of those losses to Vandy and a 6-6 Oklahoma (by the way another traditional power that has quickly fallen.)

Normally even in decline an Alabama (or an Oklahoma) would have a slow decline simply because they have 3 years worth of quality talent waiting on the bench, guys who don't want to have to sit for a year to play, two years if transferring in conference.

Instead Sabin retires (and Riley goes to USC) and we see an outflow of talent from both teams that is impossible to ignore, or to overcome.

And I didn't even go to the situation with Florida State, another school that may not be a blueblood but isn't far off and went from a pre-season top 10 to not qualifying for a bottom level bowl.

The richest programs are still going to have significant advantages. Money for coaching, facilities, NIL, recruiting, high visibility, tradition, and more but so far the changes in the rules have certainly leveled the playing field, reduced the advantages of the bluebloods, and allowed for teams to build (and decline) much faster than before.
 
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MtnBuff said:
But do we see the bluebloods remain bluebloods in the same way as they have or do we see some much more pronounced variations in results.

Alabama is always going to have some advantages. They have name recognition, they don't have to worry about funding NIL, they have a rich recruiting pipeline.

Still most people would not have expected them to be a 3 loss team, especially with 2 of those losses to Vandy and a 6-6 Oklahoma (by the way another traditional power that has quickly fallen.)

Normally even in decline an Alabama (or an Oklahoma) would have a slow decline simply because they have 3 years worth of quality talent waiting on the bench, guys who don't want to have to sit for a year to play, two years if transferring in conference.

Instead Sabin retires (and Riley goes to USC) and we see an outflow of talent from both teams that is impossible to ignore, or to overcome.

And I didn't even go to the situation with Florida State, another school that may not be a blueblood but isn't far off and went from a pre-season top 10 to not qualifying for a bottom level bowl.

The richest programs are still going to have significant advantages. Money for coaching, facilities, NIL, recruiting, high visibility, tradition, and more but so far the changes in the rules have certainly leveled the playing field, reduced the advantages of the bluebloods, and allowed for teams to build (and decline) much faster than before.
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Good points.
 
MtnBuff said:
But do we see the bluebloods remain bluebloods in the same way as they have or do we see some much more pronounced variations in results.

Alabama is always going to have some advantages. They have name recognition, they don't have to worry about funding NIL, they have a rich recruiting pipeline.

Still most people would not have expected them to be a 3 loss team, especially with 2 of those losses to Vandy and a 6-6 Oklahoma (by the way another traditional power that has quickly fallen.)

Normally even in decline an Alabama (or an Oklahoma) would have a slow decline simply because they have 3 years worth of quality talent waiting on the bench, guys who don't want to have to sit for a year to play, two years if transferring in conference.

Instead Sabin retires (and Riley goes to USC) and we see an outflow of talent from both teams that is impossible to ignore, or to overcome.

And I didn't even go to the situation with Florida State, another school that may not be a blueblood but isn't far off and went from a pre-season top 10 to not qualifying for a bottom level bowl.

The richest programs are still going to have significant advantages. Money for coaching, facilities, NIL, recruiting, high visibility, tradition, and more but so far the changes in the rules have certainly leveled the playing field, reduced the advantages of the bluebloods, and allowed for teams to build (and decline) much faster than before.
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If you ask Alabama people, they'll tell you they're absolutely falling behind in NIL.
 
Eliminating conference championship games is a first step to eliminating conferences.

64-team league. 8 divisions of 8 teams. 14-game regular season. 16-team playoff. I’m more convinced than ever that this is where we will eventually end up.
 
atlbuff said:
I agree there is more parity today, no doubt. I think people forget what Alabama was prior to Saban and UGA was prior to Richt/ Kirby. They were good but not what they have been, and yes, they were paying their players during that time.
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Bama has really cycled between great and mediocre. Bear Bryant = dominant. Ray Perkins and Bill Curry = mediocre. Gene Stallings = dominant. DuBose, Franchione, and Shula = mediocre. Saban = dominant. DeBoer = ???

Now, the fact that they can go from mediocre to dominant with the right coach, and they're never downright bad, tells you that they're a blue blood, imo. But honestly, they're behind OSU, imo. OSU is never even mediocre, it seems.
 
Alfred91 said:
Bama has really cycled between great and mediocre. Bear Bryant = dominant. Ray Perkins and Bill Curry = mediocre. Gene Stallings = dominant. DuBose, Franchione, and Shula = mediocre. Saban = dominant. DeBoer = ???

Now, the fact that they can go from mediocre to dominant with the right coach, and they're never downright bad, tells you that they're a blue blood, imo. But honestly, they're behind OSU, imo. OSU is never even mediocre, it seems.
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Cooper and Bruce were their mediocre coaches based on their history
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
There’s no such thing as cyclical nature of CFB in the modern, CFP era. It’s been Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State as the primary winners/contenders every year. LSU had a super team in 2019 (on the back of a transfer QB) and Michigan paid all their veteran players to come back for one more season to win it all last year.

And honestly, the fact that Penn State, Texas and ND are in the semis while Alabama didn’t even make the playoff, Clemson wasn’t competitive, and Georgia was outclassed should tell you that there is parity happening.

We were also one play from Arizona State being in the semi finals instead of Texas. SMU in year one of being a P4 program went 11-3. Indiana, weak schedule or not, went 11-1 solely based on the portal and NIL. CU went from 1-11 to 9-3 in two years because of the portal and NIL.

I’m not sure how anyone can take a holistic look at the landscape of college football right now and say that portal and NIL haven’t brought more parity than we’ve seen in decades, if not ever, to this sport
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You are so ****ing stupid.
 
Michael Jackson Popcorn GIF


What a Sunday treat!
 
I know On.3 is not the best news source and Urban Meyer is not the most liked individual (he is not one of my favorites either, he is still an OSU guy, a team I hate), but I found his comments in these articles interesting. In the 1st he talks about ND in glowing terms given the differences in admissions, schooling and culture compared to other places giving huge props to their players and coaches. I forgot that he was an assistant at ND.

In the other, the headline says he proclaims the SEC dominance over, which he does, but reading it I had to take a double take because he also takes a round about shot at the B1G concerning how behind the conference was in 2012 (he was OSU coach 2012-18), and giving them props on how "the upper echelon" now competes compared to where they were back then. I would of liked a follow up question/comment regarding his thoughts on the lower echelon B1G teams, you can read into it somewhat but I think he would agree they are smaller, slower etc... I do not think that he anointed the B1G as the powerhouse.

www.on3.com

Urban Meyer admits he got emotional watching Notre Dame 'put it all over an SEC team'

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www.on3.com www.on3.com

https://www.on3.com/news/urban-meyer-declares-sec-dominance-of-college-football-is-over/

This was his quote on the B1G:

“I was part of the SEC bandwagon as well. I coached in that conference and top to bottom, it wasn’t even close when I got to the Big Ten in 2012. Even (my wife) Shelley, who watched the games, said, ‘What is this? … The speed on the field doesn’t even look the same.’ And it wasn’t,” Meyer said. “You can say what you want, in 2012, the Big Ten was not a good conference, relative to the SEC. Not even close."

A big part of his discussion was the "eye test." Per the media, I've been hearing for months now that OSU has the most talented roster by a significant margin, so that is not a surprise. I'm not sold on Allar at QB, but Penn St. looks probably next best talented team in the CFP, definitely if Abdul Carter is a go. Urban did not throw shade at any other conference. To my knowledge, Urban's Prime comments have mostly been positive.

Sidenote: before reading these articles, yesterday some friends and I chatted about who we wanted to win the CFP: 4 CU, 2 SC & 2 guys from Texas. Surprisingly it was unanimous as all of us are pulling for ND. We all went to school during the CU glory days 88-94 (2 to USC, 2 to Texas schools), so I guess our hatred over ND has softened over the years. I do hope that CU can schedule them sometime in the future. If we don't schedule the hated kNU, then ND from time-to-time, it would be an enjoyable game to watch.
 
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4BienemyTDs said:
Why no punt returner?
Fair catch then 1 more play
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What has the highest liklihood of succeeding:

One play from your own 15 or so, and you'll have to score a touchdown

-Or-

Send 11 and try and block the punt, setting up a game tying field goal?


I'm guessing the second choice has a higher liklihood of success. Even a deflection or shank at least gets you a true hail mary shot, which again has better odds than one play from your own 15.
 
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