Do you really think people do not have a big issue with both situations? I would venture to say most people have a big problem with both.
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Bowl Games Thread
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Do you really think people do not have a big issue with both situations? I would venture to say most people have a big problem with both.
Speaking of hypocrisy: I assume your opinion means that every senior from CU who is either going to the combine or participating in the testing day at CU and wants to make sure he maximizes his draft and/or UFA chances should sit out this bowl game and focus on his event training? It's a life changing opportunity with life changing money, after all.
Didn't see one word around here about Herman
I certainly wouldn't be judging them if they made that decision. It's their life, not yours.
You may be right. Although having read the board enough over the years, there have been plenty of posts on the mercenary mentality of coaches.
Either way, do you realize your stance taken to its logical outcome could create a ****show, including regular season games? And those issues would not really harm the bluebloods, but rather the teams trying to make breakthroughs.
Absolutely. Until the NFL devalues players who do this, it could be an issue. However, 99% of legit NFL prospects still need to as many games to show out for NFL scouts. This conversation pertains to the 1%, not 6th-7th round or UDFA guys.
Absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I just cannot see this from the side of skipping the bowl and bailing on your team. Not going to say I am surprised but this is pretty crappy. Commitment to only one thing, himself. I get many people are this way, but I would not want them on my team.
When you start a season with a team you finish the season with that team.
Doesn't matter is you are a star or a seldom used back-up. If team accomplishments, team goals, and most importantly a team mentality and spirit don't matter to you go box, run track, or play tennis, do a sport in which success isn't measured by a group effort.
Those guys sweat and pain and hours on the practice field and lifting is what lets somebody like McCaffrey develop and show his skills to the pros. They matter.
Some of the most successful CEO's in the world make a point of knowing the names of and greeting the doormen of their buildings and the person who cleans their office. They understand that success is a factor of multiple efforts, not just their own.
Doesn't matter is you are a star or a seldom used back-up. If team accomplishments, team goals, and most importantly a team mentality and spirit don't matter to you go box, run track, or play tennis, do a sport in which success isn't measured by a group effort.
Those guys sweat and pain and hours on the practice field and lifting is what lets somebody like McCaffrey develop and show his skills to the pros. They matter.
Some of the most successful CEO's in the world make a point of knowing the names of and greeting the doormen of their buildings and the person who cleans their office. They understand that success is a factor of multiple efforts, not just their own.
I actually side with the players as well, but it does create a tricky situation for great players on ****ty teams going forward.
In a word, yes. Those "less talented" teammates did a lot to get them there. Me first is a losers mentality.
Every player that goes big time D1 has a dream of being a star and making it to the NFL. You guys can disagree with it, but calling these guys bad teammates, "not a warrior", questionable character, selfish, etc is such a basic fan thing to say. If they were your kid, you would be telling them to do the same thing, 100%.
What about his teammates who are going to get more touches without him there? Shouldn't we be happy for them?
Does anyone remember when Coach McCartney installed a whole new offense during bowl practices, and made Darian Hagan run it in his last game? He sacrificed the bowl to prepare for the next season. I think that was much worse than this.
Does anyone remember when Coach McCartney installed a whole new offense during bowl practices, and made Darian Hagan run it in his last game? He sacrificed the bowl to prepare for the next season. I think that was much worse than this.
Absolutely. If he gets seriously injured in the Alamo Bowl, his stock will slide at least 2-3 rounds. I'm not judging him either way. However, Chido and Thompson and the rest of our players are in positions to play in front among a national audience to increase their draft stock. Regardless of what CMac and Fournette do in their bowl games, they are already solidified as two of the top players in the draft and they don't have much to gain by playing.
I'm judging based on how I would judge a teammate. And I would feel that this was a selfish betrayal.
This column is pretty reasonable at presenting both sides. Like it or not, the CFP has turned most of the other bowl games into the equivalent of the NIT.
I don't agree but fair enough.
Randy.Watson
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How do people feel about Buff Bball players who skip the CBI in order to prepare for NBA combines? Or is that like wayy different?
Medford M.
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I would think his teammates probably support him 100%. This old school mentality that he's quitting on his team needs to go the way of the dodo. He wouldnt be skipping the game if it was the playoff.
Ski lost a ton of support from that decision. I was one of his biggest defenders and he lost me when he did that. Still appreciate a lot of the big moments and what he did as a CU basketball player, but I'm no longer really a fan of his.
What about if it was the Rose Bowl or another New Year's 6 game? I'd like to know the cutoff of when it's expected to be part of the team and battling with your teammates vs when you should abandon all that.
And, really, did the player from UGA who quit mid-season have it right all along? As soon as UGA had lost enough games that they were not going to make a playoff run, isn't quitting to avoid injury risk and get ready for the draft the smart thing to do?
Medford M.
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Think you meant Oklahoma, but I supported that decision too. There is no cutoff.
I'm siding with McCaffrey here although my love is with the college game and anything that takes away from it hurts. McCaffrey can do what he wants and bowls are nothing more than a glorified exhibition game now. Honestly, I think bowl games and their money sucking committees have needed an overhaul for a long time so maybe this will be an opportunity to find something better (not expanding the playoff).
Something else could come of this where schools can write up their scholarship contracts that state that a player must participate in all team specified activities (including bowl games), or the cost of their entire scholarship for that academic year will be owed in full...or something like that.
Something else could come of this where schools can write up their scholarship contracts that state that a player must participate in all team specified activities (including bowl games), or the cost of their entire scholarship for that academic year will be owed in full...or something like that.
If there is no cutoff, your argument about quitting on the team is complete bull****.
I think he should have talked to the coach and the team about sitting out, then kept quiet about it. Go to the game, suit up, let the opposing team game plan around you, and not play a down.
After the game you sit up there with Coach Shaw and explain why you didn't play, and let the media know that the reason you didn't reveal it beforehand was to avoid distracting your team with all this media hype around the decision to sit out.
Now- I can see both sides on the decision to sit out. I'd prefer he played if he was a Buff; but he's a Tree so I don't ****ing care either way.
After the game you sit up there with Coach Shaw and explain why you didn't play, and let the media know that the reason you didn't reveal it beforehand was to avoid distracting your team with all this media hype around the decision to sit out.
Now- I can see both sides on the decision to sit out. I'd prefer he played if he was a Buff; but he's a Tree so I don't ****ing care either way.
Medford M.
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How? I would have supported Clowney and Fournette had they sat out their entire junior seasons. Lattimore's career was destroyed his junior year. These surefire NFL guys going into year 3 run risks no matter what they decide. Play and potentially suffer injury, or sit the year to train and not have eyes on you against competition for a year.
Im all for taking as much mileage off the body as possible, and these kids dont owe anyone anything.
How? If you choose to sit out entire season(s), you are quitting on that team. Basically the definition of quitting.
Medford M.
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Scholarships are year to year. Fournette didnt owe LSU a third year. Y'all need to dtart looking out for the players. Its views like the ones stated in this thread bashing these decisions that are the reason players tried to unionize and get paid.