hawg1
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Are we sure we know how the Stanford players feel? I get they understand it and support it. Something will come out.
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Bowl Games Thread
- Thread starter cmgoods
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not true anymore.
You are trying to make this an all or nothing debate.
I actually support the players doing whatever they want to do. If you want to sit out your junior season, do it. If you decide to play a third year, then your "there is no cutoff" argument sounds like BS. You take the good with the bad if you are playing on scholarship. And just because it may be a completely understandable decision to skip games or seasons, does not mean the player is not quitting on their team. Acting in their self-interest is okay by me, just do not act like there are absolutely no negative ramifications from the decision to sit.
I don't know how Stanford players feel. I'm saying how I'd feel.
bigskybuff
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Why do I think if Davis Webb had come here, he would have done the same thing to us. Really hate this trend but with our society the way it is, no surprise.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
Betting 99.9% of the negative ramifications come from fans such as yourself. If Im an NFL GM, Im rather happy Im getting a guy completely healthy with extra mileage on him.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
Our society? God forbid some dudes decide putting themselves through meaningless pain and injury for your enjoyment isn't in their best interests.
Thanks for proving my point by making it an all or nothing argument. I can't imagine all coaches and teammates are ecstatic with decisions like this one either.
Why do I care if a NFL GM is happy?
Sitting out an entire year is completely different that this.
When a guys sits out the year he is not a part of the team that season to start with, he hasn't relied on others to make him look good, he hasn't shared in the hard work, in the joys and the disappointments. He hasn't been there and then all the sudden tell his teammates "Love you but yeh, I'm more important than this team.
If a guy decides to sit out a year there is nothing dishonest about that, I would fully support it. Sometimes I wish more guys would do so just to give themselves a chance to heal up and decide if continuing to play is worth the toll the game is taking on their bodies.
Once the season starts and a guy is a part of a team it's a different deal. He owes something to his teammates. You can argue that he doesn't owe the school anything but don't forget that the school did give him an opportunity to play on scholly and had he never played a down he would have gotten that scholly paid. He also had the support of the fans, same fans who made his opportunity possible.
When a guys sits out the year he is not a part of the team that season to start with, he hasn't relied on others to make him look good, he hasn't shared in the hard work, in the joys and the disappointments. He hasn't been there and then all the sudden tell his teammates "Love you but yeh, I'm more important than this team.
If a guy decides to sit out a year there is nothing dishonest about that, I would fully support it. Sometimes I wish more guys would do so just to give themselves a chance to heal up and decide if continuing to play is worth the toll the game is taking on their bodies.
Once the season starts and a guy is a part of a team it's a different deal. He owes something to his teammates. You can argue that he doesn't owe the school anything but don't forget that the school did give him an opportunity to play on scholly and had he never played a down he would have gotten that scholly paid. He also had the support of the fans, same fans who made his opportunity possible.
Some in this thread have decided to play NFL GM and say how this decision should move him down on a board or completely eliminate him from a team's board because he's clearly so selfish, not a team player and not a warrior. That's the point in talking about NFL GMs.
Not for us. He's part of a team.
I do not really care either way what a NFL GM thinks.
I actually mostly support the players here, just find it funny some are offended by the "quitting on their team" argument. What else would you call it?
On that note, I have heard NFL scouts and GMs say that guys who demonstrate that they love to compete and play football (doing senior bowl, participating at everything at the combine, etc.) do have all that viewed very favorably. At the end of the day, no matter whether we're talking about recruiting a college team or drafting an NFL team, they want guys who love the game and love to compete. They also love guys who are all about the team.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
I call that argument "taking sports too seriously".
JFC. So had CMac bailed on his preseason top 15 team, after being a runner-up in the Heisman, and took this year to train, your opinion would have been different than it is now that he's missing a meaningless bowl game?
Also, spare me this whole idea about how Stanford so kindly gave him this opportunity of a life time to play football for them and pay for his school. The kid could have gone to any program in the country. It was Stanford who lucked out in getting him to their school, and if anything, his coach, teammates, and university owe him a debt of gratitude for 3 years of making that program relevant, including a Heisman-worthy campaign. Without him, they are mediocre.
And ****... did you really say the fans made his opportunity possible? GTFO with that nonsense.
Sure, that's nice to have in a player, but you know what's better? The God-given talent and athletic ability that the guys who are "quitting" on their teams possess. It's great to have the full package (I still believe CMac does, contrary to the arguments to the contrary here), but this move doesn't effect these kind of guys' draft status.
He may not even be drafted in the 1st round.
You are just dodging the discussion now.
So what would you call it if they are not "quitting on their team?" Surely you can answer a simple question since you have this whole situation all figured out.
As always, there is a little context here. If I am a Stanford player, I am thankful that McCaffrey took me to a conference championship and a Rose Bowl victory last year. After that, the Sun Bowl is nothing but a gift bag and a chance to get some extra practices for next year. I would think that the team would be happy to see Bryce Love and others get more meaningful game experience. If Stanford wins the Sun Bowl, do you think they get any sort of bump in recruiting or prestige? "Hey blue chip recruits, I know that dismantling of Iowa in the Rose Bowl last year was impressive, but check out this SUN BOWL trophy!!!!" "Hey, pro scouts, I know that some of you will want to focus on my near Heisman season in 2015, but I really think you need to look at the game I had against North Carolina when neither of us had anything to play for!"
On the other hand, the Alamo Bowl represents a very symbolic way for the Buffs to show the world that they are on the rise. It represents the first chance to play in any bowl game for the entire roster.
On the other hand, the Alamo Bowl represents a very symbolic way for the Buffs to show the world that they are on the rise. It represents the first chance to play in any bowl game for the entire roster.
For the team, these brothers, it's their last rodeo together. That's how I would look at it if I was on a team. I'd also say that if they don't have that attitude toward playing football then there are some serious cultural issues within the program.
He might not, but that's kind of the whole point here. He's arguably the most recognizable name in the entire draft, has been mocked in the 1st round by multiple outlets and has already proven he's an elite talent on the field. If he shows up to the combine and he a day, he stands to make big moves up draft boards.
Have you thought about it from the POV of the elite player, instead of a JAG on the team?
How does that matter? The better you are, the less you are expected to be a teammate?
Spare me your I'm just in it for the money BS then.
And yes college football doesn't exist without the fans, you think that colleges would have football programs if they didn't have fans putting up the money, and that goes for every D1 program in existence.
He absolutely owes it to his teammates. They busted ass for him so he could look good. Yes he is highly talented and brought huge amounts of positive publicity to the school. Had he been a relative bust though he would have still gotten the scholly, that's how the system works.
Pro teams make lots of money off their players as well. They also have some who get overpaid.
He agreed to e a part of this years team, healthy he owes it to his teammates and his coaches to be there. To a lot of them this game isn't meaningless, it is one of the highlights of their college career.
The attitude that it is meaningless is exactly why I would hesitate to want him on my pro team. If he is in the last year of his rookie contract and relatively underpaid does he just shut it down for the last part of the season to make sure he is healthy for his next contract. Those games aren't meaningless to the fans who bought the tickets expecting to see him play and give effort.
He may have a right to do so but to me it screams selfish.
Had he taken the entire year to train it would have been very different. He wouldn't have given his teammates expectations that they could count on him, that he would have their backs like they had his.
He's not close to the most recognizable name in the draft unless you live in a Colorado bubble.
And I thought it was interesting that one of the sites (CBS, I think) that published a mock draft and had him going soonest was banking that on him leaving a big final impression against a poor North Carolina run defense. It's very questionable whether this is even a good decision for his draft position. So if that's not even a lock solid reason to skip the game, then it's just a guy who has moved on mentally from his team and we can justifiably question where his head was at during the season.
whatthebuff
Club Member
Stanford only has 12 fans anyway so this decision is really no biggie.
You missed the point. You keep saying, "If I was his teammate, this is how I would feel", but have you actually tried looking at the situation from his POV? Say to yourself, "I am in line to make millions in the next year, provided I stay healthy"... and you would still risk injury in the name of.... brotherhood? Really?
I'm guessing that there are no players on that team who think this game is anything but a disappointment. This team was picked by some to be a playoff contender this year.
Going back to my earlier statement, was Coach McCartney wrong when he made the Buffs switch offenses before the Blockbuster Bowl in 1991? Did he owe it to his team to give them the best possible chance to win that game, or was he right to look to the long term? More importantly, does anyone remember that happened when they think of the run the Buffs had under McCartney?
Going back to my earlier statement, was Coach McCartney wrong when he made the Buffs switch offenses before the Blockbuster Bowl in 1991? Did he owe it to his team to give them the best possible chance to win that game, or was he right to look to the long term? More importantly, does anyone remember that happened when they think of the run the Buffs had under McCartney?