Committee members don't matter. They will do whatever TV and P2 ask them to do
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CFP Race 2024
- Thread starter Robert Sorell
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It’s okay Hokie. Maybe one day you’ll understand how the world works
Expanding to 16 as things currently stand would add two more SEC teams (South Carolina and Ole Miss), ACC (Miami), and then one of Clemson, BYU or Missouri depending on what happens next week.
I agree that the ACC and Big 12 need to figure something out. We really needed the ACC to crumble and the top 6 to join the Big 12.
CarlB
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As some of you have pointed out above, the CFB championship is still "mythical", as this playoff is an invitational. It would be great if there were defined criteria to pick the playoff teams, but that has never been the case for CFB. I would love to see that change, but I doubt it will ever happen.
What we are really arguing about is who the last at-large team should be. We are talking about:
2-loss SMU (if they lose the ACC championship)
2-loss Boise State (if they lose the MWC championship)
2-loss Miami
3-loss Bama
3-loss Ole Miss
3-loss S Carolina
3-loss ASU or Iowa State (if they lose the Big 12 championship)
2-loss BYU
1-loss Army
Personally, I don't think any 3-loss team deserves a shot at a mythical national championship, no matter how hard their schedule is, and even if they win their conference. But we could get a 3-loss Clemson in this playoff, and we will likely get a 3-loss SEC team as the 12th seed. I guess that I can live with that, as this past November has been the greatest November of CFB in my memory. I wish CU had taken care of business against Kansas, but they didn't. At least they had a chance, and they controlled their own destiny into mid-November. So the 12-team playoff is an improvement, and there are some obvious changes that they can make to playoff seeding to make things even better.
What we are really arguing about is who the last at-large team should be. We are talking about:
2-loss SMU (if they lose the ACC championship)
2-loss Boise State (if they lose the MWC championship)
2-loss Miami
3-loss Bama
3-loss Ole Miss
3-loss S Carolina
3-loss ASU or Iowa State (if they lose the Big 12 championship)
2-loss BYU
1-loss Army
Personally, I don't think any 3-loss team deserves a shot at a mythical national championship, no matter how hard their schedule is, and even if they win their conference. But we could get a 3-loss Clemson in this playoff, and we will likely get a 3-loss SEC team as the 12th seed. I guess that I can live with that, as this past November has been the greatest November of CFB in my memory. I wish CU had taken care of business against Kansas, but they didn't. At least they had a chance, and they controlled their own destiny into mid-November. So the 12-team playoff is an improvement, and there are some obvious changes that they can make to playoff seeding to make things even better.
to be clear, I think it's possible the committee is biased and that they're only following direction from their networks, however I haven't seen evidence sufficient for me to conclude this is the situation sufficient to state as fact.
that seems like an easy thing for a depressed fan to believe. I'm sure you have sources for this but confidentially concerns prevent you from posting them.
doubtful
Eh, in the 4 team format, the current CFP would be Oregon, Texas, Penn State and Notre Dame. Is that any better? At least with 12, we'll get to see ASU/ISU have a shot. Boise and SMU will have a shot. South Carolina is on the bubble.
There is no doubt that NIL, transfers and 12 team playoff has created more parity across the country. Does it all of the sudden mean it's the NFL where the good programs are on the same level as the mid programs? Of course not, but it's a hell of a lot better than it used to be.
TV network controls CFB. I am puzzled what more evidences do you need to believe this.
I don't believe it's mythical because it's an invitational. The NCAA basketball tourneys are invitationals as are those for most other college sports, yet we don't challenge them being a "real NC". Rather the term "mythical" is used in CFB because the governing body of the sport doesn't recognize the CFP, LLC champion.
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I probably see a wider space than you do between "there's evidence to question if this is the case" and "there's evidence to conclude this is the case". It's likely a simple explanation of "hokiehead is more skeptical than cnbuff410".
IMO, after being in the top 10 most viewed games every single week this season, after three Big Noon appearances, with the very real possibility of the #1 and #2 NFL draft picks playing, If CU is excluded from the CFP (which I expect) that will be really strong evidence that the TV networks aren't just picking whose in.
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My point exactly.
I've been wondering about Jeanty.
Imagine Army thumps Tulane, Boise is up by like 24-7 early in the 3rd quarter, Jeanty has 160 yards on 12 carries with 3 TDs, gets hurt and Boise hangs on to win 24-21, offense looks like garbage without him.
Do they elevate Army over Boise at that point?
At the same time, that's probably the only way a system where other champions even get a chance - 4 SEC and 4 Big Ten teams, 4 spots for ND, 3 other conference champs. With ND's spot going to the SEC/Big Ten in the years ND doesn't make it.
I think we all realize that if the impossible happened and less than 3 SEC teams made it this year, Sankey would be pushing to massacre all other conferences starting in 2026.
I don't think the expanded playoff has led parity across the country, it's led to an expanded upper tier that mainly consists of SEC/B1G teams and given the perceived elites that were playoff regulars the last few years more margin for error. Dabo is a hypocrite, but he's right when he says that the playoff is essentially a SEC/B1G invitational.
I think the only path is the ACC and XII showing out this year and sending the multi loss SEC teams to early exits.
Good point there.
I would require ND to join a conference if they wish to participate in the playoff. ND's preferential treatment has pissed me off for years.
And it really shouldn't surprise anyone that the SEC or B1G will manage to sneak some teams in at the expense of other conferences because they will always be given the benefit of the doubt based on past achievements. It's been pretty clear that this was going to happen all along. Just think back to the times when the SEC somehow managed to get 2 teams into a 4 team playoff. It's all politics.
ACC and B12 need to merge to bolster football and work in conjunction with mid majors to hold basketball hostage
Any other path and they continue to die a slow death like the P12
The media and power apparatus has refocused its Pac12 destruction strategy on the B12 and ACC
Any other path and they continue to die a slow death like the P12
The media and power apparatus has refocused its Pac12 destruction strategy on the B12 and ACC
The 4 team playoff consolidated most of the elite recruits to about 6 programs. That is no longer the case and the elite recruits are spreading out more than they have. NIL and transfers have a larger impact on this, but I don't think Juju or Seaton (or some other blue chip players) are coming to CU without knowing they have a shot to play in the CFP.
100% this. We're in the ****ty position of recognizing the pattern and the way they work. It doesn't help though that the input opportunities for the Big 12 to have "big brands" - CU, ASU, BYU - are all in the undesirable time zone.
But parity to me is about the game on the field and I do not see that there right now nor do I see that being the case going forward. You might have the odd team every other year but generally speaking I think the odds will be too stacked against all non-P2 teams for them to establish themselves on that level long term.
It's the first year of the 12 team format, and tbh, it's a big reason Prime is at CU. He has stated as long as he has a path to a Natty, he's good here.
It's not the perfect set up, but it's better than the 4 team playoff.
And the SEC and B1G are essentially married to the 2 biggest media stakeholders the sport has: FOX and ESPN. They shape the narrative.
Long term I think it'll lead to the SEC and B1G being essentially untouchable.
That's been the case for a long time already. At least now, CU has a path.
It's not just past performance - I mean, Washington and TCU have gotten into the national championship game the last two years - it's the network tie-ins that want to see their marquee teams from their marquee conferences playing in the CFP. Iowa State or SMU, for example, draw away from that, which is why they have zero chance of making the playoff if they lose their CCGs, while Alabama is sliding in with 3 losses.
We need Prime to stay and we need an eventual invite to one of the big boy conferences. It's the only way to preserve a path to long-term relevance.
I question how valuable that hostage is in hypothetical negotiations.
Rough estimates are that football delivers 8x the revenue of men's bb and I wouldn't be surprised if the P2 financial analysis concludes with "having a bigger piece of the football pie is more valuable than having any piece of the basketball pie"
You see it in regards to CU, I see the overall picture. That's the difference.
Correct.
Long term, yes. I truly believe if Prime stays for the next 4+ years, CU will be the Texas/OU of this Big 12 and we will be 10+ wins and playing in the CCG most of the time. But yes, long term, we need to hope we get added to the adult table