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That's kind of awesome. I'm eager to see him play.
How do coaches know how what other schools have for NIL?
I don't think they know.
Rather, I suspect they get a good idea based on which schools they're losing recruiting battles to.
Kids choose schools for lots of reasons, not just NIL (playing time, prestige, family connection, location, etc). Just seems like a really poor source for polling data.
You're probably right.
And, I wouldn't be a little surprised if negotiations over NIL are an explicit part of top level recruiting right now.
"I'd like to play with you, but Arkansas is offering $750k... Can you match that?"
Agents lie about what dollar amount their clients are being offered all the time.
under the current model, what do you think is the most accurate way of estimating relative size of NIL funds by school?
Absent a centralized regulating body requiring accurate self-reporting by the NIL consortiums, the answer is N/A
yeah, "under the current model" would exclude a change that includes a centralized regulating body.
I agree that surveying coaches is fraught with error, but error doesn't make an estimation "not applicable", it makes it imperfect. (e.g. the COVID at home test has error, but it is still applicable; my tape measure -- and how I use it -- has error, but it's still applicable if I want to estimate how long a wall is).
I guess the way I'm looking at it, agents and others may lie about how much $$$ a recruit is getting offered from another school, but if NIL is a part of the recruiting discussion and the recruit ends up at that other school, it isn't a reach to assume that in most cases the other school had more NIL funds.
Where are we viewing this differently?
Buffsbball
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I do think BYU must have a pretty robust NIL as they went pretty much only getting LDS, Utah based or very Christian not super highly rated kids unless they fit that criteria to now being in AJ Dybansta the #1 overall player in the country's top 5.
They also closed with Kanon Catchings who was a long time Purdue commit to flip and he's like top 35 in the nation (highest ranked recruit of all time) as well as the top international prospect Egor Demin. Also snagged Elijah Crawford who is their 8th highest recruit all time.
I don't think that can all just be attributed to their new coach who has like zero college coaching experience just NBA. Especially since Pope was always a pretty good recruiter too.
I don't think we are.
You had initially brought up a specific scenario -- a recruit and/or their reps saying "Hey, I'm getting this, match or else." My response was meant to highlight that I think a lot of these programs are bidding against themselves, and then complaining about how out of control everything is to cover up their poor negotiations.
I took your response as a question about if there is any reasonably accurate way to determine the budget pool of one's competitors. I don't think there is, and I hope that *some* guard rails and protections get put on this mess, eventually.
That said, I do think the market is correcting, and that valuation analysis of individual players is becoming more accurate. I think we're a cycle or two away from someone being able to reliably peg a $ value to efficiency, PER, or some other stat, similar to $ per WAR in baseball.
This is the crap that needs to be cleaned up. Perkins set up a loan sharking operation targeting AAU circuit to get a percentage of their NIL.
Specialized version of payday loans
Robert Sorell
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What a POS, I kind of thought of Perkins as a harmless idiot who shouldn't be in front of a microphone.
I'm sure he'd spin is as getting kids and families in need money sooner, but if that's what he really wanted to do, he'd set up a non profit that feeds, funds, tutors, and houses kids who want to play AAU ball but struggle to afford it.
This is just predatory and disgusting.
Can't say that his style of play was fan friendly, but the efficiency he achieved on both ends of the court was spectacular when his teams were cooking. The game is going to miss him.
Sounds like it's not health. Time to speculate recklessly.
Buffsbball
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This close to the season is wild.
He got the dream call to fill in on the Lady Gaga duet tour.
Buffsbball
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He got the dream call to play Tony Bennett in a biopic film about the jazz musicians life
Speculation on VT boards is the timing is to increase probability that his top assistant gets the job.
That seems to be the only approach if you want to be able to name your successor. Probably trying to avoid the circus that Bo Ryan had to deal with to get Gard promoted as his successor.
Wait. I thought that's essentially what Ryan did.
Iirc, he tried to retire after the previous season but they wouldn't let him name Gard. So he changed his mind, announced that he was thinking of staying beyond the upcoming season, and then retired about a month in so Wisconsin had no choice but to at least give Gard an audition with the interim title.
I have a small issue with coaches doing that to name their successor. Just because you have leverage, doesn't mean using it is the right thing.
And great analogy using a Wisconsin coach. For those who don't know, Tony Bennett's Dad was coach at UW.
I'm pretty ambivalent about it. I appreciate the perspective of an AD that their job is to do a national search and make the best hire they can. I appreciate the perspective of a long-term successful coach being loyal to a top assistant who had been there and more than proven their self.
Yeah, just mentally comparing it to "regular jobs"I'm pretty ambivalent about it. I appreciate the perspective of an AD that their job is to do a national search and make the best hire they can. I appreciate the perspective of a long-term successful coach being loyal to a top assistant who had been there and more than proven their self.