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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

I’m heading to Austin to attend a UT game this fall. Starting in 2024 Fort Worth is the only B12 town I would consider attending a game and only as it is close to Dallas.
 
Big Jim said:
And yet there are some CU alumni that want to join the Big12.
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Do you not pay attention? Its money, money, money!
If the Big12 pays more, that's where you go.
OU and Texas are going SEC, for the money and they add value.
sc and ucla ar going B1G for the money and because they add value.
Our 1st 2 games under Prime are already on National TV.
If we win and show we add value maybe someday we could also make the jump to the big leagues.
 
BUFFS14 said:
Who in the Big12 has a brand big enough or gets the viewership that would add worth to either the Big10 or SEC?

Answer: No One. That is why.
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BUFFS14 said:
Do you not pay attention? Its money, money, money!
If the Big12 pays more, that's where you go.

If we win and show we add value maybe someday we could also make the jump to the big leagues.
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Do you not pay attention? You even said yourself that nobody from the B12 will make the step up to the B10 or SEC. B12 is Hotel California, once you check in you can never leave.

If the B12 pays more money...'if". It is just a bunch of B12 propaganda floated by the usual suspects that the B12 will pay more than the P12. Nobody knows yet.

When the day comes that the B12 is paying more money then CU has a decision to make. Until that day, why would CU lower itself to the B12?
 
BUFFS14 said:
Do you not pay attention? Its money, money, money!
If the Big12 pays more, that's where you go.
OU and Texas are going SEC, for the money and they add value.
sc and ucla ar going B1G for the money and because they add value.
Our 1st 2 games under Prime are already on National TV.
If we win and show we add value maybe someday we could also make the jump to the big leagues.
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Our program has had more money in the last 20 years then its ever had in its history. And for 20 years now weve essentially sucked. Sure others have passed us, like NU and aTm. And they also suck.
 
Buffnik said:
I said at the time Frost left UCF that it was a terrible career move. There are better jobs than UCF, but Nebraska is not one of them. Pay is better, but much harder to recruit and win there plus you're trading a Florida lifestyle for a Nebraska lifestyle (which killed his marriage).
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N stands for knowledge!
 
Big Jim said:
Do you not pay attention? You even said yourself that nobody from the B12 will make the step up to the B10 or SEC. B12 is Hotel California, once you check in you can never leave.

If the B12 pays more money...'if". It is just a bunch of B12 propaganda floated by the usual suspects that the B12 will pay more than the P12. Nobody knows yet.

When the day comes that the B12 is paying more money then CU has a decision to make. Until that day, why would CU lower itself to the B12?
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Nobody now, their 2 big value teams just jumped. What Pac 2024 pac schools can jump to the big leagues? None!
I said "if" because we just don't know what the money will look like. We need to stay as competitive with the big boys as we can.
I am happy to go or stay wherever that pays us the most.
 
Big Jim said:
Do you not pay attention? You even said yourself that nobody from the B12 will make the step up to the B10 or SEC. B12 is Hotel California, once you check in you can never leave.

If the B12 pays more money...'if". It is just a bunch of B12 propaganda floated by the usual suspects that the B12 will pay more than the P12. Nobody knows yet.

When the day comes that the B12 is paying more money then CU has a decision to make. Until that day, why would CU lower itself to the B12?
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Fear. People are scared. B12 has gotten into peoples heads they are our only hope.

Were people saying CU should move to the B12 before USC left? No. They’re just saying it now bc they’re scared.

These are also the same people that were saying CU was done after Karl, there’s no hope, etc blah blah blah. The difference is do you think things get better or worse?
 
Victory said:
Fear. People are scared. B12 has gotten into peoples heads they are our only hope.

Were people saying CU should move to the B12 before USC left? No. They’re just saying it now bc they’re scared.

These are also the same people that were saying CU was done after Karl, there’s no hope, etc blah blah blah. The difference is do you think things get better or worse?
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Nobody was saying it before because the Pac was going to make money and keep us on par with at least the other conferences minus the big2. sc leaving took the money with them. Does the Big12 want us, yes we bring value especially with Prime.
Scared maybe a little because it all financial. We can't fall too far behind in the arms race that is college football.
 
Victory said:
Fear. People are scared. B12 has gotten into peoples heads they are our only hope.

Were people saying CU should move to the B12 before USC left? No. They’re just saying it now bc they’re scared.

These are also the same people that were saying CU was done after Karl, there’s no hope, etc blah blah blah. The difference is do you think things get better or worse?
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Yes, it is fear. Why not be afraid of staying in a Conference that cannot match money and exposure of even a conference of truck stops? Why not be afraid of becoming an afterthought at the CFP, bowl games and NCAA tourney selection? Why not fear games being pre-empted by Hell's Kitchen or Oprah episodes which draw more eyeballs?

If the P12-2 had any pull left, they wouldn't be grasping at straws for a media deal. Money and exposure, or lack thereof, is driving this. Nothing else.
 
Victory said:
Fear. People are scared. B12 has gotten into peoples heads they are our only hope.

Were people saying CU should move to the B12 before USC left? No. They’re just saying it now bc they’re scared.

These are also the same people that were saying CU was done after Karl, there’s no hope, etc blah blah blah. The difference is do you think things get better or worse?
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Weird take. No one I've seen is afraid or believes the Big XII is our only hope. Some believe it MAY be our BEST hope, depending on what the PAC media deal looks like.

Of course no one suggested leaving before USC left. But USC leaving sure as **** changes things, doesn't it? It DRASTICALLY changes the TV value.

So as every rational person has said, it will simply come down to the PAC vs Big XII media deals - which pays more, how much more, the exposure comparison, and whether any differences are big enough to necessitate a change. Until both are known, we're all just spitballing to kill time. Hopefully the PAC deal is fine and we'll discover we all were just wasting our time here.
 
2023 team recruiting national rankings: Pac-12 & Big 12 (including new members and not including outgoing members OU, UT, USC & UCLA):

9. Oregon (P)
21. Colorado (P)
23. Utah(P)
24. TCU (B)
29. Washington (P)
34. Arizona State (P)
35. Texas Tech (B)
36. Baylor (B)
38. UCF (B)
39. Kansas State (B)
42. SMU (P)
44. Oklahoma State (B)
46. Cal (P)
47. BYU (B)
48. West Virginia (B)
49. Houston (B)
51. Arizona (P)
53. Oregon State (P)
55. Cincinnati (B)
60. Iowa State (B)
62. Stanford (P)
63. Kansas (B)
71. Washington State (P)
77. San Diego State (P)

If that's how it shakes out, here's the avg class rank for each:

Pac-12: 43.2
Big 12: 44.8

For 2024, here's how prep recruiting looks so far (it's so early there are no transfers and since the number of commits varies so much I'm using average rating here)

91.59 Washington (P)
90.42 Oregon (P)
89.56 Colorado (P)
88.72 TCU (B)
88.67 Texas Tech (B)
88.65 SMU (P)
88.28 Utah (P)
87.66 Stanford (P)
87.60 UCF (B)
87.43 Arizona State (P)
87.27 Kansas (B)
87.25 Kansas State (B)
87.19 Oklahoma State (B)
86.72 Cincinnati (B)
86.33 Arizona (P)
86.53 West Virginia (B)
86.20 Baylor (B)
86.08 Oregon State (P)
85.63 BYU (B)
85.46 Iowa State (B)
85.45 San Diego State (P)
85.24 Cal (P)
84.52 Houston (B)
82.20 Washington State (P)

Conference averages:

Pac-12: 87.24
Big 12: 86.81

Looks to me like the Pac-12 attracts better talent and has more teams that can compete with the best.

(Data taken from 247Sports)
 
CarolinaBuff said:
That's just season tickets. What did CU cap sales at, a little over 30K? Then saving 12K for student tickets, plus some for visitor team allotment plus some single game tickets. Similar to CU really except their stadium holds about 5K less than CU.
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My bad, I missed the season tickets part. Thought that was their allotment
 
BUFFS14 said:
Nobody now, their 2 big value teams just jumped. What Pac 2024 pac schools can jump to the big leagues? None!
I said "if" because we just don't know what the money will look like. We need to stay as competitive with the big boys as we can.
I am happy to go or stay wherever that pays us the most.
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The B1G has busied itself by creating one of the greatest TV market footprints outside of professional sports.

The TV people must pick the teams because they want to add large markets that juice their ad revenue. Rutgers, a total head scratcher, gave them New York and New Jersey. USC and UCLA gave them LA. They already had Chicago, Detroit, and Philly. Theyre helping the people that pay them make lots of money.

Whats markets are left to add? Boston College, UW, Stanford, Cal, Arizona or ASU, CU?

There are 210 Designated Market Areas (DMAs) listed by the 2022–2023 Nielsen rankings:


Our friends at ESPN have a great franchise in the SEC. But theyre much more dependent on cable carriage fees and those are declining
 
Victory said:
You’ve gotta be kidding me with this one.

I’ve must have read “if we don’t move to the B12 we’ll be in the mtn weenie division” or some variation of that take about 3000 times in this thread alone.
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Where? I think you should go through that thread and find the people not named ITB who are saying that.

This is either Pac 10 or Big 12.
 
Victory said:
You’ve gotta be kidding me with this one.

I’ve must have read “if we don’t move to the B12 we’ll be in the mtn weenie division” or some variation of that take about 3000 times in this thread alone.
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People making a joke about the fact that a subpar PAC media deal will potentially lead to the loss of the only remaining big brands (UO and UW) is simply thinking through scenarios. Your reading of everything as "fear" as opposed to "rationally considering the ramifications of plausible scenarios" is... well, odd.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
I listened to a little bit while driving home. I love how when he is trying to think up a random game between two unaffiliated teams, the hypothetical game he settles on is Oregon State vs South Carolina. The Beavers vs the Cocks.
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I watched. Looked like he had no clue about the innuendo he created with that matchup.

That's my projected Las Vegas Bowl matchup LOL
 
Oprah Winfrey Network GIF by David Makes Man
 
Buffnik said:
2023 team recruiting national rankings: Pac-12 & Big 12 (including new members and not including outgoing members OU, UT, USC & UCLA):

9. Oregon (P)
21. Colorado (P)
23. Utah(P)
24. TCU (B)
29. Washington (P)
34. Arizona State (P)
35. Texas Tech (B)
36. Baylor (B)
38. UCF (B)
39. Kansas State (B)
42. SMU (P)
44. Oklahoma State (B)
46. Cal (P)
47. BYU (B)
48. West Virginia (B)
49. Houston (B)
51. Arizona (P)
53. Oregon State (P)
55. Cincinnati (B)
60. Iowa State (B)
62. Stanford (P)
63. Kansas (B)
71. Washington State (P)
77. San Diego State (P)

If that's how it shakes out, here's the avg class rank for each:

Pac-12: 43.2
Big 12: 44.8

For 2024, here's how prep recruiting looks so far (it's so early there are no transfers and since the number of commits varies so much I'm using average rating here)

91.59 Washington (P)
90.42 Oregon (P)
89.56 Colorado (P)
88.72 TCU (B)
88.67 Texas Tech (B)
88.65 SMU (P)
88.28 Utah (P)
87.66 Stanford (P)
87.60 UCF (B)
87.43 Arizona State (P)
87.27 Kansas (B)
87.25 Kansas State (B)
87.19 Oklahoma State (B)
86.72 Cincinnati (B)
86.33 Arizona (P)
86.53 West Virginia (B)
86.20 Baylor (B)
86.08 Oregon State (P)
85.63 BYU (B)
85.46 Iowa State (B)
85.45 San Diego State (P)
85.24 Cal (P)
84.52 Houston (B)
82.20 Washington State (P)

Conference averages:

Pac-12: 87.24
Big 12: 86.81

Looks to me like the Pac-12 attracts better talent and has more teams that can compete with the best.

(Data taken from 247Sports)
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Granted that in the last two years the Pac has significantly improved, but if you go back and examine head to head pac 12 vs big 12 in bowl games and non conference, it isn’t close.

If the pac 12 would have stayed focused on football, we wouldn’t be in this situation. The reality is that the product on the field of pac 12 football has been atrocious for as long as we have been members.
 
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