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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
- Thread starter InTheBuff
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UCLA's AD is so good.
I let my wife know that if possible I would like her to walk around the house topless more often.
I'm not liking either of our odds here.
Kids change everything. I remember when we used to sleep naked. That isn't really conducive to the random "I had a nightmare" or throwing up in the middle of the night from the kiddo.
Yeah. That was one we learned early on...
Seeing SDSU let their conference know that they're looking into leaving, but this isn't a formal notification...
Seeing 12anon's freak out over every little thing and scream THE STORM IS COMING...
Seeing P12 loyalists try to spin everything as "this is 5D chess for how this is good for the P12"...
Seeing numerous schools make asses of themselves...
I'm finding myself grateful for how RG is handling this. He's being calm, he's being rational and **** isn't leaking. It's impressive.
I'm now gonna go drink heavily for complimenting that man again...
Seeing 12anon's freak out over every little thing and scream THE STORM IS COMING...
Seeing P12 loyalists try to spin everything as "this is 5D chess for how this is good for the P12"...
Seeing numerous schools make asses of themselves...
I'm finding myself grateful for how RG is handling this. He's being calm, he's being rational and **** isn't leaking. It's impressive.
I'm now gonna go drink heavily for complimenting that man again...
We hear of schools not being added in realignment because they are dilutive. In the Football Bowl Subdivision, how many schools really aren’t dilutive if they want to change conferences? I’m thinking maybe 10, if that. — @draywilson29
It depends on the conference and the valuation threshold.
A bevy of current Power Five schools wouldn’t be dilutive if they wanted to join the ACC, Big 12 or Pac-12, and several would be additive. Clemson, Florida State, Washington and Oregon come immediately to mind as programs that exceed the average valuation for schools in those three conferences.
But raise the bar to the level required to be additive in the Big Ten and SEC, and only one school not currently in either conference that carries the $60 million (approximate) valuation necessary: Notre Dame.
Then again, there is value in numbers. A combination of the schools mentioned above — and perhaps a few others — could provide enough inventory to make eventual membership worthwhile for the Big Ten, SEC and their respective network partners.
In other words, Fox, which owns the Big Ten — err, owns the Big Ten’s media rights — might decide coastal divisions are financially beneficial and create a 20- or 24-team league.
But we aren’t there yet. And it could be many years before that day arrives.
Mailbag: Deadline (unofficial) for a Pac-12 media deal, Power Five valuations, the “unity” statement, panic scenario and more
The conference would suffer a massive PR hit if the existential crisis remains unresolved for the mid-summer football media extravaganza.
www.mercurynews.com
I believe the Pac-12 will cobble together a deal in the next few weeks that keeps the schools together until at least 2030, when the next round of realignment hits. But should one or two schools panic and migrate to the Big 12, do you think there’s a path forward that includes six of the eight remaining? — @bdbigelow89
Put it this way: As long as Oregon and Washington are committed to membership in a conference based on the West Coast — we don’t envision them joining the Big 12, ever — the Pac-12 will survive in some fashion. It might be unrecognizable, but it will exist.
Why? Because any league with the Huskies and Ducks naturally would include Washington State and Oregon State, plus Stanford and Cal, which would have no path into the Big Ten and, like the Northwest powers, will never join the Big 12 (for a slew of reasons).
So that makes six schools — two in the massive Bay Area media market and two of the most valuable football brands not in the Big Ten or SEC.
(For the sake of argument, we’re assuming all of the Four Corners schools jumped to the Big 12.)
With six schools committed, the conference could add San Diego State and one more to make eight and move forward from there. At that size, it would be recognized by the NCAA and, crucially, qualify for inclusion in the College Football Playoff.
Mailbag: Deadline (unofficial) for a Pac-12 media deal, Power Five valuations, the “unity” statement, panic scenario and more
The conference would suffer a massive PR hit if the existential crisis remains unresolved for the mid-summer football media extravaganza.
www.mercurynews.com
I believe the Pac-12 will cobble together a deal in the next few weeks that keeps the schools together until at least 2030, when the next round of realignment hits. But should one or two schools panic and migrate to the Big 12, do you think there’s a path forward that includes six of the eight remaining? — @bdbigelow89
Put it this way: As long as Oregon and Washington are committed to membership in a conference based on the West Coast — we don’t envision them joining the Big 12, ever — the Pac-12 will survive in some fashion. It might be unrecognizable, but it will exist.
Why? Because any league with the Huskies and Ducks naturally would include Washington State and Oregon State, plus Stanford and Cal, which would have no path into the Big Ten and, like the Northwest powers, will never join the Big 12 (for a slew of reasons).
So that makes six schools — two in the massive Bay Area media market and two of the most valuable football brands not in the Big Ten or SEC.
(For the sake of argument, we’re assuming all of the Four Corners schools jumped to the Big 12.)
With six schools committed, the conference could add San Diego State and one more to make eight and move forward from there. At that size, it would be recognized by the NCAA and, crucially, qualify for inclusion in the College Football Playoff.
Mailbag: Deadline (unofficial) for a Pac-12 media deal, Power Five valuations, the “unity” statement, panic scenario and more
The conference would suffer a massive PR hit if the existential crisis remains unresolved for the mid-summer football media extravaganza.
This gives “@InTheBuff” a whole new meaning. Or maybe not. Comments to follow.
Victory
Well-Known Member
This is my favorite part. No attempt to back it up, just hoping someone throws Cal a lifeline.
Travel demands are the lowest for East schools w/ 2 or 8 West teams. Highest w/ 4 or 6 teams.
Lol at the idea that an 8 team conference of Oregon, Washington, Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford, Cal, SDSU and probably Boise St or UNLV would survive and be viewed as anything other than irrelevant. Wilner is delusional
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I can’t help but feel like the sports world is overvaluing Washington as a brand in all these discussions. They’re a fine program and have the Seattle market, but are they really a hugely valuable brand? The last 20 years has been lopsided when comparing UW to CU and I recognize recency matters, but over history are they that much bigger of a brand than CU?
Market size, university size, academic rankings, endowment & donor base, football success as the #2 program behind USC in the west for 100 years. Yeah, they're probably a top 20 most valuable.
JayHawk
Well-Known Member
Let me ask this. If any other conference had first pick of the PAC teams minus USC and UCLA which do you think would go first?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Fair enough, but interesting that it’s all things Oregon lacks but are regularly mentioned together in terms of brand value. UW ranks just behind VaTech and West Virginia in all time program wins - still good, but in terms of brand value I feel like they’re still a major step below even a bunch of ACC teams.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
None which is kind of my point. I’m not saying they aren’t worth anything, but this talk of them clearly being a top football brand I’m struggling with a little. They’re a solid mid 20’s type brand to me which I would consider good not great and in the realm with a lot of other programs including CU.
Victory
Well-Known Member
Yep he answered differently in the two questions. I believe when he says “western division” he means Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, USC and UCLA.
Significantly ahead of them in win %.
List of NCAA football teams by wins - Wikipedia
P.S. Very much a flawed measuring stick when Rutgers is above Miami.
Victory
Well-Known Member
It’s a mix of athletics and academics. B1G schools look up to UW academically in their peer reports. They’ve had good football years. Played in a CFP. Market is big.
Colorado is like a lot of B1G schools but not as many B1G schools aspire to be CU academically. Athletically we should pass them soon if all goes right.
I found it funny that six of the "top" eight in terms of lowest win % are B1G and SEC schools. Also, CU is right there with Oregon in win %Significantly ahead of them in win %.
List of NCAA football teams by wins - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
P.S. Very much a flawed measuring stick when Rutgers is above Miami.
Just goes to show that the past doesn't really matter. It's all about the last 15 years or so w/r/t brand, and I suspect the next 5-7 years will determine the landscape going forward.
Victory
Well-Known Member
I think it’s easier to move up athletically (via funding) than it is academically. Athletically there will be a lot of parity btw UW, UO, CU and UU and the B1G in the next few years.Significantly ahead of them in win %.
List of NCAA football teams by wins - Wikipedia
P.S. Very much a flawed measuring stick when Rutgers is above Miami.
Here’s are the comps I see btw the P12 and B1G academically:
Washington: Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin
Colorado: Penn State, Ohio State
Utah: Iowa
Oregon: Nebraska
Cal, Stanford: Northwestern
If we win, we’re in a good spot. Cal and Stanford getting hamstrung by the transfer portal is a huge realignment advantage for us going forward.
BlackNGold
Club Member
ESPN makes more than that right now with carriage fees. They need that just to keep pace. ESPN has committed to spend $44.9 Billion in media rights fees through 2027. With cord cutting accelerating you wonder how much more can they spend. This is why the PAC12 is having trouble with the contract.
BerkeleyBuff
Well-Known Member
Against the backdrop of everything you're mentioning, you also have to keep in mind that recent success plays a larger role than historical success. UW has not been at their peak recently but they've also had several good (playoff) years. This also explains your question about Oregon; UO has been at an all-time high within and immediately prior to the playoff era. Likewise, you mention you think that CU historically compare well to UW; sure, maybe so, though we're still behind them, but in the last two decades it would be difficult for the gulf to be much wider.
I also don't think anyone is claiming UW is a "great" brand, only that they're one of the two most valuable overall brands left out west. They've been brought up a lot because the PAC's long-term viability has been a discussion point. If the ACC GOR was ending soon, there'd be - I'd wager - considerably more chatter about FSU, Clemson, Miami, and perhaps UNC than there is UW (and all of those schools have generated some chatter all the same recently).
BerkeleyBuff
Well-Known Member
I tell mine to walk around naked, which she often does. Best of both worlds.
I have noticed some of our posters have a thing for their wives to walk around naked or near naked.