More like middle stakes poker…This is high stakes poker. Take everything with a mountain of salt.
More like middle stakes poker…This is high stakes poker. Take everything with a mountain of salt.
A Big12 without Texas, OU, A&M, Nubs and Mizzou is not at all like the Big12 we left. Joining a conf led by Okie St and Baylor? No thanks.Without Clemson, what has the ACC been in FOOTBALL the last decade?
No other sports matter in regards to this situation.
Clemson, FSU, Miami are the only brands that move the needle in that conference in football, and two have them have been mediocre to bad the last decade.
The Big 12 hasn't really got brand names with Texas and OU leaving, but there's several football programs there, with the new additions that have produced better than the ACC.
The ACC schools that will make it are ones like Louisville, that have money to burn and are willing to do it.Definitely. Plus the ACC is a dead man walking. Whether it lasts til 2036 or not, they're gonna be destroyed too.
In some ways, it was best for the Big 12 to be the first to picked off, because they got some decent schools to take the places of the defectors. The Pac-12 isn't going to survive that because of geography, and the ACC refugees might find all the places taken.
What are the other options? Where is the realistic choice in which we end up connected with ANY marquee program? Or two?So it's better to join a conference with zero marquee programs, because at least we know they won't leave us?
They could have done a lot worse than grabbing semi perennial playoff threat, Cincy, huge market Houston, "recent national champs" UCF, and bigger brand than you realize BYU.
Of course. Hell I'd be thrilled if they came along with us and the AZ schools.Fair.
They're not turning their noses up at the MTZ schools though, and would be thrilled with UO and UW.
I respectfully don't get the "stability in the big12" argument, if you rewind 12 months, they were having the same sky is falling attitude that the conference was toast. Then they added a couple G5 teams, and now all is well?
This is high stakes poker. Take everything with a mountain of salt.
The ACC schools that will make it are ones like Louisville, that have money to burn and are willing to do it.
If you told me that Oregon and Washington were completely committed to sticking with the PAC long term, you might be right, but they seem to want out as bad as we do. A PAC that loses USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon is a G5 level conference.A Big12 without Texas, OU, A&M, Nubs and Mizzou is not at all like the Big12 we left. Joining a conf led by Okie St and Baylor? No thanks.
I'll be working after putting kids in bed tonight. And by working, I mean getting caught up on the 15 new pages that happened during dinner time.I'm ****ing pissed. I have so much **** to get done, and I'm obsessively checking this thread every 5 minutes.
I'm ****ing pissed. I have so much **** to get done, and I'm obsessively checking this thread every 5 minutes.
What are the other options? Where is the realistic choice in which we end up connected with ANY marquee program? Or two?
We are at dock watching the buttend of that ship leave the harbor—ironically called…the stern….
Fair enough, but we are excited to join a conference where the three most historically significant football programs are ASU, BYU and CU - none of which are currently in the conference.But now they're a very solid conference after the B1G/SEC tier. OSU, Baylor and TCU have all been right there in the final week in the CFP conversation in various years and Cincinnati just made the playoff. Iowa State has good success in recent years and BYU is a solid national brand.
And we know it's about football but the Big12 has the last 2 national champions in hoops.
So it's better to join a conference with zero marquee programs, because at least we know they won't leave us?
More like middle stakes poker…
I understand, and I’m not “excited” about being forced into any of these choices, especially in the high stakes game of musical chairs the asshats at USC/UCLA started for everyone else without warning.Fair enough, but we are excited to join a conference where the three most historically significant football programs are ASU, BYU and CU - none of which are currently in the conference.
I understand, and I’m not “excited” about being forced into any of these choices, especially in the high stakes game of musical chairs the asshats at USC/UCLA started for everyone else without warning.
These sorts of decisions should happen with due consideration and not under the gun of someone else’s sociopathy.
And if we are staying put with the PAC12, what’s the point of the sudden meeting of the BOR?Hopefully we pull a Mel Tucker by telling the Pac we are committed then sneak out in the middle of the night to something better
USC and UCLA if this actually happens:I understand, and I’m not “excited” about being forced into any of these choices, especially in the high stakes game of musical chairs the asshats at USC/UCLA started for everyone else without warning.
These sorts of decisions should happen with due consideration and not under the gun of someone else’s sociopathy.
I think all the members of the (former) PAC12 should refuse to schedule any future games with either USC or UCLA, as payback for doing this with just a couple hours left before the deadline for financial sanctions for everyone else in the conference.
In objective terms, it is high stakes. Compared to the conferences that matter, the money is pretty mediocre.i dont know what kind of poker tables youve sat on, but were talking a few hundred million and essentially the existence of some businesses who gross 9 figures here. id say thats pretty high stakes.
The current Big 12 has 100% of its memberships with far superior football products than the one Colorado offers but somehow they’re not good enough. This is comedy.The Big 12 only appears stable because they are adding as many weak and vulnerable schools as possible - who are mostly resigned to the fact that their strength is literally in their numbers - to turn themselves into an unmovable blob. They suck. They’re a construct of your mind. A figment of your imagination.
Here are our options:
-Have balls of steel and parlay this into an SEC invite
-Lock Oregon and Washington into whatever media deal for a revised Pac 12 (+ others?)
-Ransom the Big 10 to add us as a lower tier school (we need incriminating docs)
-Join the Big 12 and end up on ESPN+ for the next 10 years
-Strike a deal with the ACC that doesn’t tear up their existing agreement (because many would be poached by B10 and SEC) but adds to their bottom line
-Go further west and add Beijing University and Tokyo State