I've said it before, I'll say it again. While I'm conflicted on Utah, I'm not conflicted on WSU and OSU. They deserve to be in a quality Power Conference. The Beavs and Cougs are doing it right.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Could you whine a little more? Then don’t watch the games. you self righteous piece of crap!
Like a moth to a flame...
No argument, but they just don’t have the juice to move the needle. I feel for them.
This sums up most people's thoughts, IMO. It's a great short term solution for CU and the Big 12, but everything is still trending toward big time CFB leaving everyone behind except B1G and SEC.
www.cbssports.com
Bungled opportunities to raid Big 12, passive leadership has Pac-12 on brink with Colorado departing in 2024
The Pac-12 had multiple chances to solidify its membership and grow the conference; instead, it finds itself fighting to stay alive
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Maybe so, but this looks to be one of those times where you're better off being the first mover. We've always known someone is going to be left without a seat at the table, and unfortunately they're probably going to be stuck in the Conference That Used To Be The PAC 12.
This is starting to look like relegation.... but not tied to games won/lost... just flat out economics.
Why not move? we can always jump up to the Big 10 in a few years.....
Why not move? we can always jump up to the Big 10 in a few years.....
Why are you conflicted on Utah but not WSU or OSU?
No one has ever been able to tell me whether, when abbreviating, the University of Utah follows the CU or UT convention.
Don't overthink it, buffarino. **** UU, they should get left behind. We'll still have to deal with them in BYU form in our new conference. **** them all.
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Because it's Utah?
Say the Big12 only takes UofA and the Pac12 scrambles to get a somewhat decent media deal done. Could we see this as the new Pac12? Discuss.
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BerkeleyBuff
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Oh. Ok. I guess I view Utah as a team I will tune in to watch. I almost never deliberately watch OSU or WSU. They both feel very Mountain Westy
Oregon State may play in the conference championship this year (I mean, I guess you could say that about any team, but they are expected to be good) and WSU is fun to watch. I'll always watch a WSU game. WSU on PAC after dark was one of my favorite things.
Yep, Oregon State is finally projected to be good. Like most of the Big 12, though, their brand sucks and they just don't have a ton of appeal for me. Maybe 5-6 more years of quality play would put them on the Utah level for me?
WSU under Leach was entertaining. I know they still run a similar system and what not, but they aren't the same program they were a few years ago and like OSU, they just don't appeal to me.
Both programs actually have a very Big 12 feel to them (IMO at least)
I also get that you likely have these opinions because you are from the Pac NW (I think).
Brilliant management strategy by the California Board of Regents letting UCLA ditch Cal without a media deal in place and that massive stadium debt. UCLA isn’t going to be making much more than the B12 if they have to cover the nut for both schools.
I don't get all the Utah hate. Other than they have been successful and we've been dog**** (our own fault), they've been a model citizen in the P12 IMO.
Victory
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None of the writers asked about the B12 exit fee (was it negotiated down? doesn’t seem like it) and if it was a sticking point. I get there’s an adrenaline rush w/ moving conferences but it’s the 2nd time we’ve moved in the past 12 years. RG and Phil got off easy not having to answer a single question about it.This sums up most people's thoughts, IMO. It's a great short term solution for CU and the Big 12, but everything is still trending toward big time CFB leaving everyone behind except B1G and SEC.
Bungled opportunities to raid Big 12, passive leadership has Pac-12 on brink with Colorado departing in 2024
The Pac-12 had multiple chances to solidify its membership and grow the conference; instead, it finds itself fighting to stay alive
My PNW roots definitely influences my appreciation for both of those teams. And I agree that Corvallis and especially Pullman have a Big XII feel to them. I'm too lazy (and allegedly working right now - but as you'll see from my recent post count, that's a dubious claim) to look it up, but I wonder how the Win/Loss records from the last 25 years stacks up against the "better" brands.
ScreamingBeagle
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Play nice with ESPN now and you might get thrown a bone before all is said and done. Not saying it will happen but if the SEC ever went to 24, CU could be in lime for one of the last spots.This is starting to look like relegation.... but not tied to games won/lost... just flat out economics.
Why not move? we can always jump up to the Big 10 in a few years.....
That looks like a best case scenario at this point. I still think UW/Oregon are on their way out.
The problems with OSU and WSU have nothing to do with their competitiveness, the product they put out or the ratings they get. It's all about not being a major market team, a national brand or the premier brand in a mid-major market while being good, reputable institutions but not being academic elites. So they don't move the needle to elevate a major conference in the expansion game.
There are lesser schools than them with similar profiles that are enjoying life as a legacy member of a stable conference which have no worries right now. So much of this is about timing. Hell, there are P5s which are smaller, less funded, in worse markets, with lesser athletic facilities and a lesser academic standing than G5s like CSU or Buffalo or others. What's going on is unfair in a lot of ways.
Damn, yak laying down the big compliments to Miami.
BerkeleyBuff
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Worth 1.5 minutes of your time:
FSU could be a travel partner with UCF, they could even give them shoes. But that might be a bridge too far. I am not sure the B12 wants a 2 front war with the P12-3 and the ACC.