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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

These should give you an idea of what stadium renovations are costing these days.

Penn State $700,000,000

Mizzou $250,000,000

Memphis $195,000,000

Texas Tech $242,000,000

Even Wyoming's small project is $20,000,000.

So I'll take my 1950s construction cost estimates over to the corner here.
 
Let's recall, 2023 was the first time in CU history we sold out the home slate. It didn't happen in 1990 or 1991. That seems like two really strong data points arguing against expansion.

This year, we only sold out 4/6 games. IIRC, two others didn't sell out until the day before the game. From posts on AllBuffs, it's apparent the season ticket waiting list is getting burned down rather quickly.

We're now in a conference with fewer a smaller number of marquee opponents than we've had in most of our lifetimes. The future non-conf schedules have at most one home game per year that I'd predict being as big a draw as a XII game.

I'm not currently buying the perspective of "if you build it they will come", but I do understand Nik's argument of "you have to spend money to make money". I'm really curious if CU can continue to get 40k+ butts in seats on game day if the Broncos return to being playoff contenders with any consistency.

Folsom Field's capacity has largely been the same since the 1976 renovations. Two more years away from 50 years. Colorado's population was about half of today's population.

This is a 1967 photo of Folsom Field's southwest side with Balch Field house before the west boxes were added the following year. Now if you demolish Balch Fieldhouse and expand that 200 level seating from the southwest side of the stadium to the northwest side that would complete the bowl of the stadium, that will add a good number of seats and that is not including what would be a new building for the west boxes.

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I tried my best with the snipping tool but this is an idea of what could be done. Red lines would be the typical seating area and would be more symmertical to the east side seating (not including the suites that were built in 2003). Green lines would be new suite boxes on the west side and maybe part of a future project, the northwest corner could match the northeast corner. The southwest and southeast corners could be new above ground plazas but that's for another discussion andother day.

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There appears to be a lot that could be done on the NW, SW, and SE corners. Those could be done in stages instead of all at the same time.
 
not to make this political, but I predict construction costs go up significantly under the new administration's immigration (labor) and tariff (materials) policies.
It’s possible, but I would expect the proposed deregulatory action, energy policy, and tax policies to asymmetrically offset increases in input costs in a positive way. I think inflation risk and fed rate are much more impactful to this project which remains to be seen
 
Rip out the visitor section and remake that corner to match the East side. Also allows them to create much needed office space etc for campus.

Make a smaller visitor section in the 2 whatever section in the south corner of the end zone. I would guess pricing on new corner end zone premium seats would easily offset whatever loss of capacity.

Bigger renovation needed is field house and the entire west side. Need to match the east side with a club level and suites

I would guess CU needs $700 million at a minimum to do it all. Construction costs are insane. A budget of $400 million turns into $550 from the time plans are complete to when crews show up on site to start work.
 
I think you could do a full Balch Reno with some added seating in that footprint + convert the boomer west side zone from benches to seats for ~250-300MM

I know there is a capital project in the works… CUAD is asking for money. Mentioned I heard about it several weeks ago. Was at a function in Laguna last weekend and more whispers from big money folks. Not clear on the scope but will spill all the beans if I find out
 
Is the East side completely untouchable or is there a chance you just redo all 3 at the same time? I assume there's not much you can still do about the North side ...
 
Is the East side completely untouchable or is there a chance you just redo all 3 at the same time? I assume there's not much you can still do about the North side ...
As of a few years ago, the only work that would happen on the east side was scraping and refinishing the steel surface of the 200 level bowl. Last I heard, that was low prio compared to Balch and the west side
 
The administration should be thinking big if they do a renovation. You may only get one bite at the apple. If you are able to turn game day spaces into class rooms or student spaces for the majority of the year that is a huge plus.
 
The administration should be thinking big if they do a renovation. You may only get one bite at the apple. If you are able to turn game day spaces into class rooms or student spaces for the majority of the year that is a huge plus.
hence my question about the east side
 
It’s possible, but I would expect the proposed deregulatory action, energy policy, and tax policies to asymmetrically offset increases in input costs in a positive way. I think inflation risk and fed rate are much more impactful to this project which remains to be seen
pulp fiction check out the big brain on brett GIF
 
They should sell the west side expansion to the admin and public with adding additional classroom space and make it a joint venture. Would quiet the left wing women’s studies man hating academic types. You could tear down Carlson and use that existing footprint to add a ton of classroom space if you make it multi level and leave the footprint that Balch occupies for the football stadium reno.
 

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They should sell the west side expansion to the admin and public with adding additional classroom space and make it a joint venture. Would quiet the left wing women’s studies man hating academic types. You could tear down Carlson and use that existing footprint to add a ton of classroom space if you make it multi level and leave the footprint that Balch occupies for the football stadium reno.

Tear down Carlson? And destroy the site of my intramural dominance? Blasphemy!
 
Tear down Carlson? And destroy the site of my intramural dominance? Blasphemy!
Ha ha. Yeah I hear you but unfortunately we are pretty much boxed in between the Biology building and the rec center. Those additional tennis courts they added during the rec center expansion ****ed us as far as space for expanding the west side.
 
Let's recall, 2023 was the first time in CU history we sold out the home slate. It didn't happen in 1990 or 1991. That seems like two really strong data points arguing against expansion.

This year, we only sold out 4/6 games. IIRC, two others didn't sell out until the day before the game. From posts on AllBuffs, it's apparent the season ticket waiting list is getting burned down rather quickly.

We're now in a conference with fewer a smaller number of marquee opponents than we've had in most of our lifetimes. The future non-conf schedules have at most one home game per year that I'd predict being as big a draw as a XII game.

I'm not currently buying the perspective of "if you build it they will come", but I do understand Nik's argument of "you have to spend money to make money". I'm really curious if CU can continue to get 40k+ butts in seats on game day if the Broncos return to being playoff contenders with any consistency.
The population of Colorado 1990 was 3.3 million. It is now ~5.8 million. There’s an extra 2.5 million people within 100 miles of Boulder since then. That 1990 data point is obviously obsolete now. Pretty easy to see that.
 
The population of Colorado 1990 was 3.3 million. It is now ~5.8 million. There’s an extra 2.5 million people within 100 miles of Boulder since then. That 1990 data point is obviously obsolete now. Pretty easy to see that.

The crazy thing is that with Prime, we're not just selling tickets to Front Rangers or even Coloradans. In the last couple years, I've had people from multiple states in the South sitting next to me, flying in just to catch a game at Folsom.

We are national. I understand that it's only Prime that's making us national and keeping us national, but that's RG's and Saliman's to keep him happy and here until such time as we can stay national without him. We were once, we can be again.
 
Yup. I don't think OKstate was a sellout for instance. Neither was NDSU. Both due to insane prices and weird times.

The 8:30 **** is a definite killer, not only for attendance overall but for concessions. Lots of people leave early, the people who might grab multiple beers are already well lubricated, and at least for us, we've already eaten dinner and there's no reason to buy food.
 
Dynamic ticket pricing is one of the most evil recent inventions.
I'm old enough to remember when ticket prices were the same throughout the venue* and the best seats went to those who were first in line, not those who threw the most money at it. I thought that change was evil.

And, I understand all of these changes are examples of "charge what the market will bear"




*not necessarily CU, but sports and concert venues for which I had experience buying tickets pre-1990.
 
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