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DC Search Including & beyond the 1st 4 Candidates

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People... If 2010 is the example used for the argument that coaching was more important than talent, then it's a weak argument. If you want to argue against MM's coaching this year and use certain games to demonstrate that point, you also need to look at the games against UCLA, Utah and ASU. Is anyone going to argue that CU has equal talent to any of those 3 schools (or any other school in the P12 for that matter)? I didn't think so. Yet, we took UCLA to 2OT, Utah was a late pick 6 away from a W, and ASU was much closer than anyone would have thought. The coaches did a phenomenal job getting the players ready for those games, against teams that we were clearly out talented. But, in the end, we lost all 3 of those games because our talent on the field couldn't finish against their talent.
 
FWIW, I do side with ABers who think HCMM is an above average talent evaluator amongst his peers. I think he has learned to be b-c he has a history of being at less than elite programs competing with elite P5 programs. I also think he is pretty decent at developing kids and getting the best of them. We can bitch all we want about the lack of wins in 2014 but the point differential in our games in 2014 was damn impressive compared to previous years with similar talent (and often more experienced).

What is concerning me is his inability to compete with the big boys more frequently on higher tier recruits, and now, I am concerned that he is not doing so well on getting higher tier coaches to come in as well. I think this DC hire is big time for many reasons including:

1) Our offense improved dramatically and I think Lindgren is a bright young OC
2) Our defense was terrible and got worse year on year. We need a new DC who is capable of handling the complexities of the Pac 12 offenses with less than 5 star talent on his side. Therefore in light of point 1 above, we could get to a bowl soon if we get the right DC in
3) It will show if HCMM is able to recruit coaches at a higher level than he has in the past
 
GoBuffs88 said:
Similar names. GoBuffs08 makes a valid point, however.
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:lol: As to his point, true, but limited. An 8 point lead isn't what it used to be, but everyone would agree a team with the 1-2 score lead is favored to win the game by a significant margin if the lead is in the late 3d or into the 4th.
 
Undefeated said:
People... If 2010 is the example used for the argument that coaching was more important than talent, then it's a weak argument. If you want to argue against MM's coaching this year and use certain games to demonstrate that point, you also need to look at the games against UCLA, Utah and ASU. Is anyone going to argue that CU has equal talent to any of those 3 schools (or any other school in the P12 for that matter)? I didn't think so. Yet, we took UCLA to 2OT, Utah was a late pick 6 away from a W, and ASU was much closer than anyone would have thought. The coaches did a phenomenal job getting the players ready for those games, against teams that we were clearly out talented. But, in the end, we lost all 3 of those games because our talent on the field couldn't finish against their talent.
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If Hawkins coached this team we are looking at 1-11 with a massive point differential. MacIntyre has us in a decent bowl in 2010 with that squad, in that conference.
 
buffaholic said:
They can do that only if they stay in the program and focus on improving. Most are now, with much more competition.

Bell, Tedric, Awuzie are not JAGs.

Losing first 3 guys at one position did expose our depth. That will not (likely) happen again. Thanks for re-inforcing my point. ;)
Mosely (clueless)
Terrell Smith (never athletic enough)
White (true freshman that was not ready)
Moeller (Walkon freshman).

Agree. Not my words. I am making a case that a DC should see this as an opportunity not a career ender
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To me, if you are an average P12 player, you're a JAG. Nothing wrong with it, as every program is mostly comprised of them. IMO over the past decade, there have been/are great players for CU and then there are great players for any big time program. Sometimes they overlap, but most of the time, great players for CU would struggle to break the starting lineup at a lot of other top programs. I think that TT and Awuzie have the chance to be great CU players and maybe even great national players. I think Bell is an average P12 player, so to me, he's a JAG.

Either way, I think we're on the same page. Big fan of White's potential (bad word around these parts, I know). He was a stud at Cherokee Trail and could be a good one down the road. That is all.
 
I think eventually, we're going to end up with Clune. Which is fine, but not one of our top choices. He seems solid, if unspectacular. Recruiting is the key.
 
SerenityBuff said:
I think eventually, we're going to end up with Clune. Which is fine, but not one of our top choices. He seems solid, if unspectacular. Recruiting is the key.
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His season has been over for quite some time. Something tells me, if he were the guy, RG and MM wouldn't be waiting until 6 days before the dead period ends to make it official.
 
Find a guy like Sirmon moving his way up the ladder at a P5 school, bonus points if he has Pac-12 recruiting connections. Let him learn under MacIntyre in 2015 while he gets his feet wet and hopefully the combo of him and another younger assistant can provide the badly needed recruiting bump. An old retread hire would be a disaster, flat out.
 
Duff Man said:
Find a guy like Sirmon moving his way up the ladder at a P5 school, bonus points if he has Pac-12 recruiting connections. Let him learn under MacIntyre in 2015 while he gets his feet wet and hopefully the combo of him and another younger assistant can provide the badly needed recruiting bump. An old retread hire would be a disaster, flat out.
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Agreed. Really want Seto and am willing to wait until February, if we have to. I highly doubt he would come here, but he is my #1
 
Undefeated said:
People... If 2010 is the example used for the argument that coaching was more important than talent, then it's a weak argument. If you want to argue against MM's coaching this year and use certain games to demonstrate that point, you also need to look at the games against UCLA, Utah and ASU. Is anyone going to argue that CU has equal talent to any of those 3 schools (or any other school in the P12 for that matter)? I didn't think so. Yet, we took UCLA to 2OT, Utah was a late pick 6 away from a W, and ASU was much closer than anyone would have thought. The coaches did a phenomenal job getting the players ready for those games, against teams that we were clearly out talented. But, in the end, we lost all 3 of those games because our talent on the field couldn't finish against their talent.
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What the **** are you talking about

TimmyDUBs said:
Your dick will never stop telling you how to act and think, tini. It's a blessing and a curse


Mahalo
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True that. I wish I had a cool story.....but I don't.
 
Duff Man said:
Find a guy like Sirmon moving his way up the ladder at a P5 school, bonus points if he has Pac-12 recruiting connections. Let him learn under MacIntyre in 2015 while he gets his feet wet and hopefully the combo of him and another younger assistant can provide the badly needed recruiting bump. An old retread hire would be a disaster, flat out.
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I agree 100%. I like Seto and Sirmon in that order, but I'm sure there's plenty more that would be interesting as well that fit those qualifications. Not sure I want him to do too much learning though. We got to win now.

I would prefer an up and comer with DC experience from a non-P5 school over a P5 guy without DC experience. But those fears could be put aside in an interview quickly if the guy knows his **** inside and out like I think Seto and Sirmon probably do.
 
buffaholic said:
I agree 100%. I like Seto and Sirmon in that order, but I'm sure there's plenty more that would be interesting as well that fit those qualifications. Not sure I want him to do too much learning though. We got to win now.

I would prefer an up and comer with DC experience from a non-P5 school over a P5 guy without DC experience. But those fears could be put aside in an interview quickly if the guy knows his **** inside and out like I think Seto and Sirmon probably do.
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I am with you guys on this one.

The thing is maybe HCMM is OK putting more time into supporting a younger DC and either getting a DB coach or the DC he hires has DB expertise. That could still work.
 
boydbuff said:
I am with you guys on this one.

The thing is maybe HCMM is OK putting more time into supporting a younger DC and either getting a DB coach or the DC he hires has DB expertise. That could still work.
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That may be what MacIntyre wants, a guy that will take direction vs. a vet like Baer who didn't want to be told how to do his job.
 
TDbuff said:
That may be what MacIntyre wants, a guy that will take direction vs. a vet like Baer who didn't want to be told how to do his job.
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Sounds very plausible. MM may have the program on track enough where he can start putting his personal stamp on the defense and is looking for a talented up and comer that would be willing to follow his direction and mentoring.
 
I'm good w any ole warm body as DC... But they must be warm!
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