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Games thread- (RV) Men's bball scheduled to host Arizona (Saturday, 2/6, 6:00 MT, FS1) and OSU (Monday, 5:00 MT, Pac 12 Networks)
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whatthebuff
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Also mcguckins hardware.
Medford M.
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WTF is this take? Totally off base.
Lightning
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Pretty hard and probably unfair to evaluate based on a few minutes an occasional game the freshmen except Jabari, but TDS (does he have a nickname) shone tonight and plays smart, and will get stronger.
Nigue (athletic and size)and LOB (6'8" with some perimeter skills) still have to prove more but there is some promise there.
BuffLuke80
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Well, the guys won easy. I didn't get to see but a few minutes, took care of business, though.
BuffLuke80
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Hell, I'm glad to see Dallas playing well. It hasn't been easy for him.
Medford M.
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The point is, when Nique is on the floor, he's swimming. He looks like he wants no part of the action. Timid and scared. It's not a big deal because he's not expected to contribute yet and doesn't have to, and a lot of 18 year olds get those jitters. Day Silva isn't spectacular as an athlete or anything, but he seems to have grasped the system, and he works hard. O'Brien, when he's played, hasn't looked lost or timid. He just needs to refine his skill set because he won't be blowing by and dunking on P5 small forward like he did in high school.
MarkW
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Nice job by the Buffs of running their system in the half court and consistently carving up Oregon State's zone. They were consistent regardless of who was in the game and were outstanding in getting good shots. One player who exemplified this was da Silva who was able to move to open spots at just the right moment. And a ha been pointed out, he was playing with confidence he hadn't displayed previously.
MarkW
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Also, da Silva was a at +26 in this game in only 20 minutes of playing time. Horne (horn with an 'e') was +10 in 25 minutes. Kin was +20 in 25 minutes. Good to see he got plenty of rest. That's been a bonus much of this season and hopefully will help come conference and NCAA tourney time.
Only starter in double figures was Walton.
Only starter in double figures was Walton.
jumped ship
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agreed, though would it normalize and be valuable after a number of years?
I'm not a KenPom user, but remembering that site may have a better metric that shows what we're trying to find with +/-
+/- is a valuable metric for 5 man units. It’s hard to get statistically significant five man unit data until the end of a college basketball season. I’m not really sure what aggregators there are out there, it’s easier to find NBA data on that stuff.
+/- isn't on here, but a it's a detailed site with rankings for pairings, 5-man units, and plenty of other stuff.
EvanMiya CBB Analytics
Advanced college basketball analytics used widely by coaches, journalists, and fans.
evanmiya.com
To expound on +/-, I do think the newer metric called "Real Plus Minus" is good. RPM measures a player's impact on the team's offensive and its defensive performance per 100 possessions with that player on the court.
Has that been applied to college hoops or is it still just an NBA metric?
Has that been applied to college hoops or is it still just an NBA metric?
That guy's metric (BPR) has Kin 2nd, Evan 3rd, and D'Shawn 4th in the Pac-12, with Eli just a little further back at 7th. PER loves Jabari. Evan Mobley is first on BPR, but Kin is ahead of them on offensive BPR. Interesting site.+/- isn't on here, but a it's a detailed site with rankings for pairings, 5-man units, and plenty of other stuff.
EvanMiya CBB Analytics
Advanced college basketball analytics used widely by coaches, journalists, and fans.
That site is super fun. Mostly if you like Colorado players. Dallas is interesting in how he pops up in the team ratings.
Yeah, I'm not sure about the nuts and bolts on the metric.
The cluster of the Buffs starters near the top, coupled with them being at or near the top as a team in the conference for other metrics (e.g. KenPom, NET) makes me worry about the metric not teasing out individual performances very well.
It does not like Kee very much.
sports-reference has Box Plus Minus, which I think is the same, at least described nearly the same by them.
Here's the season averages for the Buffs
| Rk | Player | G | GS | MP | PER | OWS | DWS | WS | WS/40 | OBPM | DBPM | BPM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | McKinley Wright IV | 20 | 20 | 638 | 24.4 | 2.6 | 1.1 | 3.7 | .233 | 6.5 | 2.5 | 9.0 |
| 2 | Evan Battey | 20 | 20 | 518 | 19.6 | 1.6 | 0.9 | 2.5 | .196 | 2.4 | 1.6 | 4.0 |
| 3 | Jeriah Horne | 20 | 8 | 492 | 21.5 | 1.5 | 1.0 | 2.5 | .203 | 6.0 | 2.2 | 8.2 |
| 4 | Jabari Walker | 18 | 0 | 251 | 29.6 | 1.0 | 0.7 | 1.7 | .274 | 5.9 | 3.2 | 9.0 |
| 5 | Eli Parquet | 19 | 19 | 518 | 11.4 | 0.6 | 0.9 | 1.6 | .123 | 1.2 | 4.2 | 5.4 |
| 6 | Dallas Walton | 14 | 12 | 226 | 27.7 | 1.1 | 0.5 | 1.6 | .275 | 5.1 | 3.9 | 9.0 |
| 7 | Maddox Daniels | 20 | 3 | 399 | 13.9 | 0.9 | 0.6 | 1.5 | .151 | 2.9 | 1.8 | 4.7 |
| 8 | DShawn Schwartz | 18 | 17 | 478 | 10.8 | 0.4 | 0.8 | 1.2 | .100 | 0.3 | 0.8 | 1.1 |
| 9 | Keeshawn Barthelemy | 18 | 1 | 260 | 11.8 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.6 | .097 | 2.1 | 1.1 | 3.2 |
| 10 | Tristan Da Silva | 12 | 0 | 88 | 11.1 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 0.2 | .086 | -1.7 | 1.7 | 0.0 |
| 11 | Luke OBrien | 8 | 0 | 42 | 10.7 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.1 | .126 | -1.3 | 1.9 | 0.6 |
| 12 | Nique Clifford | 12 | 0 | 53 | 1.7 | -0.1 | 0.1 | 0.0 | -.012 | -10.2 | 5.1 | -5.1 |
[thead] [/thead]
Provided by CBB at Sports Reference: View Original Table
Generated 2/11/2021.
Plenty of stats to click through on this page
2020-21 Colorado Buffaloes Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Check out the detailed 2020-21 Colorado Buffaloes Roster and Stats for College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
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jumped ship
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sports-reference has Box Plus Minus, which I think is the same, at least described nearly the same by them.
Here's the season averages for the Buffs
Rk Player G GS MP PER OWS DWS WS WS/40 OBPM DBPM BPM 1 McKinley Wright IV 20 20 638 24.4 2.6 1.1 3.7 .233 6.5 2.5 9.0 2 Evan Battey 20 20 518 19.6 1.6 0.9 2.5 .196 2.4 1.6 4.0 3 Jeriah Horne 20 8 492 21.5 1.5 1.0 2.5 .203 6.0 2.2 8.2 4 Jabari Walker 18 0 251 29.6 1.0 0.7 1.7 .274 5.9 3.2 9.0 5 Eli Parquet 19 19 518 11.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .123 1.2 4.2 5.4 6 Dallas Walton 14 12 226 27.7 1.1 0.5 1.6 .275 5.1 3.9 9.0 7 Maddox Daniels 20 3 399 13.9 0.9 0.6 1.5 .151 2.9 1.8 4.7 8 DShawn Schwartz 18 17 478 10.8 0.4 0.8 1.2 .100 0.3 0.8 1.1 9 Keeshawn Barthelemy 18 1 260 11.8 0.3 0.4 0.6 .097 2.1 1.1 3.2 10 Tristan Da Silva 12 0 88 11.1 0.0 0.1 0.2 .086 -1.7 1.7 0.0 11 Luke OBrien 8 0 42 10.7 0.1 0.1 0.1 .126 -1.3 1.9 0.6 12 Nique Clifford 12 0 53 1.7 -0.1 0.1 0.0 -.012 -10.2 5.1 -5.1
[thead] [/thead]
Provided by CBB at Sports Reference: View Original Table
Generated 2/11/2021.
Plenty of stats to click through on this page
2020-21 Colorado Buffaloes Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Check out the detailed 2020-21 Colorado Buffaloes Roster and Stats for College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
honestly, that’s pretty inline with what I’d expect, thanks for posting
Yeah, especially with the OBPM and DPM splits. Eli as the best defender makes so much sense even with most of it not showing up in the standard (counting stats) box score.
Surprised how high up Dallas is (tied at 9.0 with Kin and Jabari) given his missed time.
Not surprised Jabari's numbers look so good in his limited (comparatively) time, but I was surprised how Dallas' numbers look.
Looks like he doesn't have enough minutes or games played to qualify for the season leaderboards on that site but he would be 2nd in the nation in true shooting percentage, 4th in effective field goal percentage, and 8th in regular field goal percentage. He'd also be 10th in Win shares/40 minutes.
That 58.3% on 3 pointers helps Dallas a lot. It's on only 12 attempts. His free throw numbers this year and last come from a little better sample size and show that he truly is a good shooter, but there's no way he's shooting 58.3% if he'd played more minutes and taken 25-30 three point attempts.
He's been incredibly good in his minutes, but there's reason to expect some regression to the mean in a lot of those shooting numbers.