honestly... hawaii in hawaii is difficult...
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Is CU as much of a rebuilding project as we think?
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My only concern, after reading the referenced post, is for the English language. I can only hope that this was not produced by a fellow graduate.
Certainly, the trip over, the confidence they have at home. At the same time you can't tell me that even with us down that Hawaii had better talent than we did. They didn't have tape on us to prepare with, they were transitioning with a number of new guys in key positions, and at the end of the year they didn't turn out to be a very good team. Bottom line is that while difficult CU should beat Hawaii home or away.
I don't hold losing to Oregon, USC, Stanford, Ohio State, etc. against the coaches. Those teams are better than us right now on their worst days. What I have issues with is not winning the games we should win and that Mr. Embree is why you don't have a job right now as a head coach.
BlackNGold
Club Member
You need to get some difference makers especially at the skill positions. Now if that is by coaching up so less recruited players that is fine but you have to get players that can consistently make plays. Right now we are not getting many 3 stars that other BCS schools are going after.
somebody
Well-Known Member
It's also a stupid post. We're one injury away from not having a starting RB and who are our killer TEs?
It also seems to pretty silly to just automatically write off any 4* and above players. Coaches can successfully out-recruit their team's record and recent record.
o_robbie
I don't think before I post
Based on the posts I have read it does appear that CU is a rebuilding project. We aren't attractive to upper end recruits, our facilities don't wow anyone who takes visits to other schools in our conference, and we haven't fielded a winning team in a very long time. Rebuilding project = absolutely.
You aren't going to get a lot but if the coaches already have established relationships with the players or with their HS coaches it is always worth making the effort if a guy can help you.
We also know that a guy like Parsons was truly interested in coming to CU, enough that he was a commit. There are other kids who may have some family tie or other connection to the school.
You probably aren't going to get many or even any but if you don't try it will certainly be none. This is what killed the last couple of classes of both BG and Hawk, the I'll take what I can get mentality instead of working and aiming for what I need.
If you eventually want to be a better team than you are it follows that somehow you need to get better players than you have. The sooner the better.
I wonder how many California kids got to know HCMM and his staff and liked them but were turned off by SJSU being a mid-major school. Would his now being in the PAC move some of those kids over.
BlackNGold
Club Member
Who is writing them off? Not me?
I was just agreeing with you on difference makers and wondering why most think we have no shot at blue chips.
Anyone can recruit. Obviously record and program direction/momentum help immensely. But look at a program like Washington and Tosh Lupoi. They're a solid program, but they're getting OV's from 5* LB's all the way from Alabama. Tosh or a like recruiter can help land recruits programs have no business landing
BlackNGold
Club Member
I do not know if you are being serious with that.
... What is wrong with that statement? If we got Lupoi or Klemm, I can guarantee we would get multiple 4*'s this class
You are saying certain guys can recruit to any school, not necessarily that "anyone can recruit".
Ok maybe anyone wasn't the correct word. But my point was that blue-chips aren't unattainable at this point and certain coaches can overrecruit for us. It isn't impossible. Hopefully Clark, Adams, Walters etc can do that
I agree.
Buffenuf
massive tool
If Lupoi is so great, what happened at Cal? He was there for five(?) years and last I looked, they fired the coach he recruited for......
Lupoi does not coach offense and therefore is not responsible for QB evaluations.
His track record is out there. It is really good.
People need to quit using Klein as an example. One, if you told anyone that Klein would be a Heisman contender out of HS you would have been called crazy and a dumbass. Two, he in all likelyhood would not be playing QB at CU.
Spond, while still sucks, is understandable why he went to ND with his concussion issues.
Kenny Bell and Cain Kolter are no excuses, both should be in Boulder.
One problem with his track record is that he takes some border line grade risk kids. Cal has a pretty wide window for getting athletes in, but they still have to go to class at Cal. I think that they were having a lot of grade problems with some of the kids.
I believe he and Tedford started not seeing eye to eye on that. Of course only one of them is still employed.
BlackNGold
Club Member
But that is not anyone.
Should have just thrown 600-750k at either one of them. That would essentially be legally paying for 4-5* recruits:thumbsup:
Maybe. Either way we have Prich, Pow, and Darragh. Ouch
BlackNGold
Club Member
Good question. Prich if he returns to form would be one. Chidera Uzo-Diribe could be put in that category. I think guys like Crawley, Tupou, Wright, Powell, Mosely, Nembot all could be candidates for that assuming they make good progression from their Frosh to Sophomore year. But in my mind talent level is where CU really is behind.
somebody
Well-Known Member
You mean, now that we have a coach.
I think we're all hoping that this staff can turn the current players into guys that could start for other teams in the P12. But the reality is obvious that we are lacking in the talent department compared to our "peers" and it'll only be through a combination of coaching and improved talent that gets us to the top half of the P12