Big Jim
WTF?
Ha. Got it. Agreed.
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ITT, CU fans try to argue that CSU the top program in the MWC
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Ha. Got it. Agreed.
Only way? Come on now.
ahoelsken
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Neither is CSU. As far what you say about them being the best program in that conference-That's like saying you're the best national soccer team in North America. In the swing of things, nobody cares. (its also not the best conference in the group of 5-gotta be the American right now.) They're a stepping stone-let me put it this way.......Remember all the media attention we got last year in November? Go back to 2014-CSU's last 10 win season. Did anyone care?
I suppose we could be talking about women's volleyball and say CSU is better.
Exactly lol
jizzrag85
Well-Known Member
CSU won 10 games? I had no idea...
State of Idaho is having some financial difficulties and the economy in Boise is not doing well in comparison to other similar cities. Likely that the flow of money into the Boise program is going to slow down significantly and as it becomes more obvious that Boise can't buy it's way into a major conference they are likely to fall back.
This doesn't mean that CSU is a growing proposition though. They lose a lot this season, going to be interesting to see their attendance next year as they again fail to beat the big dogs in their conference, lose to CU again, and likely struggle against some others.
The entire MWC is in trouble long term though. P5 teams are getting upwards of $30 million per year in media money. MWC schools are getting less than $3.5 million. Ticket revenue is likely less than half, local sponsorships and donations are significantly less.
In a college football landscape where multiple programs are generating over $100 million in revenues per year CSU is subsidizing their program by $15 million+ per year.
Very hard to see how MWC schools can even stay somewhat competitive with that kind of difference in resources
Boise State is 217-53 the last 20 years.
Lil Bruh Ag is 136-124 the last 20 years.
That’s a crazy streak!
Both eras saw each team’s best coaches (Pete and Sonny) and biggest bowl wins (07 Fiesta Bowl and 97 Holiday Bowl).
Beyond all of that, lil bruh ag hasn’t ever beaten Boise State, the struggling Broncos won the conference this season with 10 wins, and have a current coach with a 2-1 bowl record and a 77.4% overall winning percentage. Compare that to the current lil bruh ag coach who just got a raise with his 55.3% win rate and 0-2 bowl record.
GMAFB and GTFOH with lil bruh ag being the better program than Boise State nonsense. Lil bruh ag had tons of talent and found a way to lose to the Broncos again this year. If it had been one year, we could chalk it up to a fluke. But, Bobo gonna Bobo and only be the slightly above mediocre coach.
Over the last 20 seasons, Boise has always had better coaches and the better players. It isn’t even close. Those be the facts.
Lil Bruh Ag is 136-124 the last 20 years.
That’s a crazy streak!
Both eras saw each team’s best coaches (Pete and Sonny) and biggest bowl wins (07 Fiesta Bowl and 97 Holiday Bowl).
Beyond all of that, lil bruh ag hasn’t ever beaten Boise State, the struggling Broncos won the conference this season with 10 wins, and have a current coach with a 2-1 bowl record and a 77.4% overall winning percentage. Compare that to the current lil bruh ag coach who just got a raise with his 55.3% win rate and 0-2 bowl record.
GMAFB and GTFOH with lil bruh ag being the better program than Boise State nonsense. Lil bruh ag had tons of talent and found a way to lose to the Broncos again this year. If it had been one year, we could chalk it up to a fluke. But, Bobo gonna Bobo and only be the slightly above mediocre coach.
Over the last 20 seasons, Boise has always had better coaches and the better players. It isn’t even close. Those be the facts.
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Simple experiment for this CSU/Boise debate. I am in New England currently, if I walked outside and asked the average sports fan if they can name a current/former coach and player from either team along with the mascot of each school, what do you anticipate the results would be?
Most of the MWC fan bases believe/admit CSU is the top program in the conference and should be doing better than they should.
Why is this argument even happening? Who cares?
Because this is the coaching carousel thread and CSU just extended a coach who hasn't won more than 7 games in a season and is 2-7 against their main rivals in his time there. He is the highest paid coach in the conference and it seems like a weird move to pay him that much money for the results he has given them.
Link?
Go read mountain west connection, or twitter, or anything really.
Ok, I'll go read twitter. BRB.
Ya, but its CSU. They do dumb **** all the time.
My guess
coaches:
- 60% can name Peterson.
- 50% can name McElwain,
- 30% can name Lubick.
- 20% can name Nutt
- 10% name Joey Porter or Brad Van Pelt
- 5% name Doug Martin or someone else
When was the last time CSU finished a season ranked in the Top 25?
BSU is there pretty much every year.
You guys who think that the national perception or regional perception has those 2 programs on the same level (or puts CSU above BSU) are completely off your rockers. BSU is so far above that it's shocking this is even a discussion.
Top of the MWC goes like this in national perception:
1. Boise State
2. San Diego State
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3. Fresno State
4. Colorado State
BSU is there pretty much every year.
You guys who think that the national perception or regional perception has those 2 programs on the same level (or puts CSU above BSU) are completely off your rockers. BSU is so far above that it's shocking this is even a discussion.
Top of the MWC goes like this in national perception:
1. Boise State
2. San Diego State
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3. Fresno State
4. Colorado State
To follow up on your point, growing up 2000 miles away, I still knew who BSU was as a kid. I had watched the Statue of Liberty play and player proposal after the game, I knew about the blue field and high powered offense, and I saw the Lagarette Blount face punch.
Being completely honest, I had no idea what a CSU Ram was until I arrived in Boulder to go to college.
Yep. I also didn't grow up in Colorado and even though I've lived here 20 years I've moved away for periods of that time.
I almost put Air Force above CSU because fans of major P5 teams are actually more concerned about seeing AFA on their schedule than they are CSU. And people in the MWC region are aware that AFA usually wins that rivalry game with CSU.
I agree with this completely. I do believe it is fair to say CSU has invested (rightly or wrongly) to raise the profile of their program and the foundation is fantastic for a G5 program. With the right coach and sustained support of the foundation, a decade from now CSU could move to the top of that list. But could down the road is not a guarantee and they certainly are not above the other two today, IMO.
This is being argued from two different sides. I assume onealcd was initially talking about CSU being the best job in the MWC for HC/AC, while I took his statement as saying CSU is viewed as the best football program in the conference. The salary differences are only in favor of CSU as of yesterday, and I would assume Harsin is going to leverage Bobo's extension into one of his own to get back to being the highest paid MWC coach soon enough. Regardless, I can see it being debatable which is the better job, but the national perception of the programs and the level of play on the field is so lopsided in Boise's favor that they might as well be a P5 team compared to CSU.
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Lil Bruh ag has 11000 more students than Boise State.
Lil bruh’s alumni and dropout base is in the #17 TV market vs the #106 TV market for Boise.
Lil bruh is located in a state with with more FBS talent.
YET, in spite of all of these built in advantages, lil bruh still has not produced a better product on the field over the past 20 seasons. Lil bruh hasn’t gotten better coaches to fort fun than Boise State. Lil bruh hasn’t developed “diamond in the rough” players like Boise State has. Lil bruh’s best seasons have become standard level have Boise State.
This is not a fluke. It is two decades of program superiority. Maybe CSU will someday improve beyond their current status as SEC coach purgatory and finally surpass Boise State consistently for decades. But, given current coach and player quality disparity, the outlook seems unlikely.
Lil bruh’s alumni and dropout base is in the #17 TV market vs the #106 TV market for Boise.
Lil bruh is located in a state with with more FBS talent.
YET, in spite of all of these built in advantages, lil bruh still has not produced a better product on the field over the past 20 seasons. Lil bruh hasn’t gotten better coaches to fort fun than Boise State. Lil bruh hasn’t developed “diamond in the rough” players like Boise State has. Lil bruh’s best seasons have become standard level have Boise State.
This is not a fluke. It is two decades of program superiority. Maybe CSU will someday improve beyond their current status as SEC coach purgatory and finally surpass Boise State consistently for decades. But, given current coach and player quality disparity, the outlook seems unlikely.
No they aren't. You keep saying this and is isn't true. When CSU signed Bobo he was the highest paid coach in the conference at $1.55 million average annually while Brian Harsin signed his deal at an average annual salary of $1.25 million a year. The only reason he made more than Bobo this year is because they won the Mountain West and he hit performance bonuses. Now after Bobo signed an extension he clearly makes more money than Harsin and it isn't really close. On top of all of that CSU has a higher pool for assistant coaches and had the highest paid assistant coach in the G5, not just the MWC.
On the other points you are correct. I am saying CSU is the better job and had a much better foundation for success than Boise. Yes, they have completely stepped on their dicks and Boise has done better but that doesn't change the facts. I think people are underestimating the luck they had in keeping one of the best coaches in the country around for so long while he turned down multiple P5 opportunities, that isn't normal. CSU had the same sort of luck with Lubick turning down jobs in the 90's and it shows you what can happen when they stick around.
Boise has more recent success and can get a ton of academic risks into their school without a ton of uproar, those are the only two advantages I see them having over CSU.
BSU was an 11-12 win team under under three coaches. They are a 9-10 win team under Harsin and they are no longer nationally relevant. Their run is over.