Didn't they just win the MWC championship and get into the Top 25?
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ITT, CU fans try to argue that CSU the top program in the MWC
- Thread starter onealcd
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Playing Oregon in Las Vegas.
I wish you would do some research before saying things like "it isn't even close" or "you keep saying this and it isn't true".
BSU's Assistant Salary Pool in 2017 - $2,085,101
CSU's Assistant Salary Pool in 2017 - $1,884,000
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
As I said, Harsin made $4 more than Bobo in 2017 and now that he has that contract, you can bet Harsin is going to go back to the AD and ask to equal or top that, and they will give it to him.
Also, over his 15 seasons, Lubick won 10 games or more 4 times and averaged 4.8 wins/year over his last 5 seasons in Fort Collins. Petersen won 10 games or more 7 times in 8 years and the other year he won 8 games. Over the last 19 years, Boise has won 10+ games 15 times. There is no comparison between the programs in terms of tangible success and your "facts" about coaching salaries are incorrect.
CSU playing Marshall in the New Mexico Bowl is a clear indicator that they are far more nationally relevant than Boise... JFC, I can't believe this is even a debate.
Once again your numbers are wrong, CSU salary pool increasing from $2.4 million in 2017 to $3 million in 2018 (obviously not a huge jump considering they have to hire a 10th coach).
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/14/csu-football-coach-mike-bobo-contract-extension/
Anyways, comparing one year and then saying $4 is some huge difference is stupid. Go look at the contracts when they were signed and you will see that Bobo was clearly the highest paid coach in the conference. It's not hard.
pcbuff
Well-Known Member
According to the Coloradoan in August the CSU athletic department was making great progress towards break even at only $10 mil in subsidies. This doesn’t count the bonds to pay for the stadium, or new contracts. $10 mil is a lot of cow doctors or grass experts. The Colorado Tax payers are paying for CSU athletics. We can discuss if that’s a good or bad thing, but it is reality.
I'm fine with it if CU keeps putting them in their place. My check is in the mail.
I gave you the AC salary information from 2017 and Boise’s was over $200k more. CSU’s May be increasing in 2018, but I am going to assume Boise’s is too. As for the HC salary, I don’t know what to tell you other than the fact that Harsin made more than Bobo in 2017, and I assume he will get a bump to match or exceed Bobos new contract.
This was directed at holic, who seems to be hellbent on saying that Boise isn’t nationally relevant. They are the most relevant G5 program.
Boise state assistant pool was $2.085 million in 2017 and CSU's was $2.4 million. I linked the article above for your reference.
I know we have a sarcasm font, but do we have a I don't give 2 sh*ts and please stop wasting space in the internet font?
Regarding assistant coach salary pools in G5:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/sport...ty/boise-state-football/article188444094.html
http://www.idahostatesman.com/sport...ty/boise-state-football/article188444094.html
I click on here to see if anything interesting happened in the coaching arena only to find Buff fans fellating csewe and comparing cam's nuts to the boise bronco's...get a grip people. Nobody gives two ****s about goatville unless they are playing the flagship.....
I linked the site that broke out the actual salary numbers for 2017 for your reference.
You of all people should know all the interesting coaching moves have already been made. It's the offseason. We'll argue about whatever we damn well please!
Yes - but that's a big step down from where they were under CP. They are (arguably) still the best team in the MWC, but that is a debate.
That was not a debate from Pre-Hawkins thru CP.
I watched them 4-5 times and they are not close to the same program and the Bronco faithful know it.
FWIW, CSU gave them that game which BSU outscored them in the last 4 minutes (including OT) by 21 points. CSU looked like a much better team although need
Their games (both within conference) and OOC (Troy, 11 points margin) are indicative of a program that is not only not achieving the number of wins of past years, but slipping and I'm sure statistics/analytics would support that.
In fact, they played Fresno back to back to end the season. The composite score was 34-42 in Fresno's favor. A win is a win, but this is not the Boise State of old that was destroying their own conference.
With that said, they will get an Oregon team in a bowl who will likely play like it's the holiday they deserve after a stressful season and as all MWC do against P5 teams, BSU will show up for their super bowl and probably manhandle the Ducks. Bowl games mean nothing if they are meaningless to one team.
This entire thread is stupid...
whatthebuff
Club Member
These arguments are all over the place. The fact is Boise has not lost to CSU since they joined the Mountain West in 2010. And Boise has finished higher in the standings every year. Who cares if CSU almost beat them this year? Who cares if Boise is only winning 9 games instead of 12? What kind of arguments are those? Boise is clearly the better program.
in context of the new thread title, I'm not trying to argue that.
But one more point in favor of CSU over BSU is that 2 years ago during the Big XII potential expansion circus, CSU made the published final cut and BSU did not. Assuming that XII officials know more than we do, that's a strong point to consider in favor of CSU.
AFA was the other MWC member to make the final cut.
But one more point in favor of CSU over BSU is that 2 years ago during the Big XII potential expansion circus, CSU made the published final cut and BSU did not. Assuming that XII officials know more than we do, that's a strong point to consider in favor of CSU.
AFA was the other MWC member to make the final cut.
Ohio State got boat raced by Clemson last year and didn't even make the CFP this year. Therefore, they are no longer a nationally relevant blue blood program and are slipping back to mediocrity. #holiclogic
As bridges to get to BYU. Maybe you are unaware of the Big 12 geography. They were also looking hard at Cincinnati to give WVU a travel partner.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
As bridges to get to BYU. Maybe you are unaware of the Big 12 geography. They were also looking hard at Cincinnati to give WVU a travel partner.
Those dots are very telling. It's the Tornado Alley conference.
If "bridge to BYU" was the key factor, BSU would have made more sense to consider than CSU (closer geographically, much bigger rivalry). at least to me.
I'm acutely aware of XII geography as someone close to your level with realignment obsession. I believe that if the XII keeps WVU, it makes a lot of sense to add Cincy or a different East Coast school.
Sure, every point has a counter-point. I still contend that "being considered recently for P5 membership" has to carry some weight in this discussion.
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Apparently math is really hard for you.
Harsin signed a contract for 7 years at 7.35 million a base salary of $1.05 million a year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.id...e55aba72-b61e-11e4-9616-37e93d329e3d.amp.html
Bobo signed a 5 year deal worth 7.75 million averaging 1.55 mil a year. Also had 2.4 million for assistant coaches in 2015.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/20828991
Obviously USA Today uses different calculation and has performance bonuses built it which isn’t very relevant in comparing two teams coaching salaries if one didn’t hit those.
Whatever, man. I gave you the actual salary numbers for each program and you don't seem to care. Both programs pay a good amount for their G5 coaching staffs, but Boise paid more for theirs in 2017 than CSU did. That's a fact that doesn't change, regardless of how you want to spin it. Continue your crusade to falsely pump CSU as the crown jewel of the Mountain West, when literally all the evidence and opinion (other than Holic's) shows the contrary.
Oh okay so the articles you link are 100% accurate but the ones I give you that show Bobo is paid more and his staff has $2.4 million available while Boise has $2.2 million available are just wrong? You quoted one article from USA Today and another one that just used the USA Today database which are obviously calculated differently when you look at the average pay.
I go off the actually salary paid. You go off a number that was reported to have been "available". However you want to spin it, Boise paid their coaches more than CSU did.
SerenityBuff
Well-Known Member
Pecan Pie is the best pie. This is fact. Don't @ me.
You are citing one game. I was very clear in showing that a 10 year run of winning about 12 games each year, and being ranked top 10 and 15 many times was what made them nationally relevant. Why are suggesting one game is equivalent to the looking at a trend comprising 10-15 years?
I am not arguing they aren't the top program, simply that they aren't what they were. Harsin is no Chris Petersen.
Check back in 2 years.