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Who tf said csu is a better program than Boise????
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ITT, CU fans try to argue that CSU the top program in the MWC
- Thread starter onealcd
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So what some are saying is that it is bad for CU if CSU (and for what it's worth other in state college football programs ) are weak because strong in state college programs will hurt CU.
Right?
Right?
Nobody is saying it’s good or bad for CU, just that it’s irrelevant.
ahoelsken
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That's like saying Creighton basketball is better while the corncobs are good lol
jizzrag85
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What we're saying is this:
Also,
Reply never gets old.
DiggerBuffs
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I give CSU a lot of credit and respect for what they are trying to do in positioning themselves in the arms race.
That said @onealcd has lost his mind. His argument is like saying the Yankees are the best team in baseball because they spend the most.
CSU has overspent year after year and is borrowing against the university. They have NOTHING to show for it besides trips to SEC schools to get their asses beat as part of buyouts and money grabs.
CSU does have the pedigree off the field that is far more attracrive than Boise and most all but SDSU. That said, you have to beat the best to be the best and CSU isn’t even 2nd or 3rd best in their own conference where overspending would be justified, on the field. Dominating a dog **** MWC isn’t even achievable on th gridiron. They have done it off the gridiron but regularly get their asses handed to them in postseason. See their “dominant” women’s programs that can’t get out of the first round of the playoffs.
That said @onealcd has lost his mind. His argument is like saying the Yankees are the best team in baseball because they spend the most.
CSU has overspent year after year and is borrowing against the university. They have NOTHING to show for it besides trips to SEC schools to get their asses beat as part of buyouts and money grabs.
CSU does have the pedigree off the field that is far more attracrive than Boise and most all but SDSU. That said, you have to beat the best to be the best and CSU isn’t even 2nd or 3rd best in their own conference where overspending would be justified, on the field. Dominating a dog **** MWC isn’t even achievable on th gridiron. They have done it off the gridiron but regularly get their asses handed to them in postseason. See their “dominant” women’s programs that can’t get out of the first round of the playoffs.
Coaching salaries were just one part of a lot of factors I laid out and my argument was that there is no reason CSU should be behind these other schools right now in response to them extending Bobo and giving him a raise when he really hadn't deserved it based on the support he was given and the advantages CSU has compared to the rest of their conference.
Their trips to Alabama and Florida paid them a ton of money, more money than Michigan paid us to go there last year so I wouldn't really blame the admin for that. Arkansas is coming to CSU as part of a home and home so even though they got lucky with the football game at CSU it worked out well to get them to campus. By the way most G5 teams have to do games like that unless they are in a recruiting hot spot so why wouldn't they take the pay day that goes along with it?
Once again this wasn't an argument about how the MWC can compete with other conferences just about how CSU is positioned in their own conference.
It is easy to talk about what CSU should be and there is truth there. It is a good school, better academically than almost all of it's conference mates and better than many if not most P5 schools. It is in a great location with a growing population around it and fairly close to a major city.
The reality is though that CSU isn't that program and despite throwing millions of dollars at it hasn't moved up.
Once the temporary bump from the new stadium wears off people will still stay away in droves, their attendance isn't enough to justify the spending on the program, they don't get much TV revenue and won't because they don't draw viewers.
Somehow CSU needs to figure out a way to make people care. Their alumni don't care, the surrounding population doesn't care, even most of their students don't care.
They can keep throwing money at it but unless they can figure out a way to make people care they will be an also ran. This is something that is shared by a number of their conference mates as well. SDSU is in the middle of a huge population base and has little competition for the sports dollar, nobody cares. UNLV, UNM, share the same issues.
The reality is though that CSU isn't that program and despite throwing millions of dollars at it hasn't moved up.
Once the temporary bump from the new stadium wears off people will still stay away in droves, their attendance isn't enough to justify the spending on the program, they don't get much TV revenue and won't because they don't draw viewers.
Somehow CSU needs to figure out a way to make people care. Their alumni don't care, the surrounding population doesn't care, even most of their students don't care.
They can keep throwing money at it but unless they can figure out a way to make people care they will be an also ran. This is something that is shared by a number of their conference mates as well. SDSU is in the middle of a huge population base and has little competition for the sports dollar, nobody cares. UNLV, UNM, share the same issues.
pcbuff
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CSU was Boise back with Sunny L. They were playing nationally televised games on Week nights on ESPN and winning more than their share. It was what made their hero BVP a cult following hero. Then they let their conference chair put together a TV network that no one cared about and pulled all of their games to that network. CSU is a victim of their own conference leadership, which also drove away Utah and BYU with that stupid network. They could have owned ESPN weeknights, but instead are where they are. (Sorry for my annual rant on this subject.)
No, it wasn't.
Sonny had exactly 3 seasons he finished in the Top 25: #14 in 1994, #16 in 1997 and #15 in 2000. He went to a bowl game in 9/15 seasons, winning 3 of the 9 games. The WAC was the first conference to agree to Thursday Night Football on ESPN. That's the only reason for the televised night games. It wasn't because CSU was some national brand.
How that in any way compares to Boise State, I have no idea.
This,
Boise has won some significant bowl games, Boise has beaten a number of P5 teams. Frankly Boise still doesn't move the needle a great deal but they are much more substantial than CSU ever was.
Even in the glory years of Sonny CSU had trouble getting more than 30k paying fans to go to their home games. Almost all of Sonny's years they averaged below that number. In recent years, even with some bowl teams they have been closer to 20k than 30k. This year they had a boost due to the new stadium and opening with a P5 opponent. No doubts in my mind that in a couple years they will be well below last years numbers.
Ummm yeah, Boise is CSU's bitch lol.
Just compare CSU to Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, all those state ag schools and how does CSU stack up against them academically? We will eventually find out how well CSU is paying back the stadium bonds. If CSU is able to do this just fine, their chances of getting a P5 invite will go up and given that the likes of Kansas State, Iowa State, and Oklahoma State are P5 schools, it only helps the argument that CSU should join a P5 conference.
The question is if CSU gets that P5 invite, how will CU respond?
The question is if CSU gets that P5 invite, how will CU respond?
No, it doesn't help CSU. What would help CSU is some butts in the seats and eyes on TV screens. The B12 just like any other conference looking at expanding is going to start with one question. "Does adding this school to our conference add enough financial value to justify giving them a slice of our conference revenues?" I have yet to see a single valid analysis that shows CSU enhancing the financial value of a conference without them making gains in fan interest that far exceed any reasonable expectations.
