pcbuff
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Idaho is probably 35% LDS. Boise and BYU care about that game. They could care less about CSU.
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ITT, CU fans try to argue that CSU the top program in the MWC
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I'll make some points here:
If you applied the same argument of BSU being more deserving of a P5 bid than CSU, CU wouldn't have been invited to the Pac-12. CU's fit for the Pac-12 was where it mattered the most. Just think like a college president here for a moment. You would prefer the best academic fit within the conference and CSU would most likely get that P5 bid before BSU does. BYU took themselves out of P5 consideration with that 1992 credo. If you look at the map from Colorado to the west coast, only CSU, New Mexico, and possibly Hawaii are rated "Very High Research Universities" by the Carnegie Foundation. Maryland & Rutgers wouldn't have been invited to the Big Ten either if it came down to football success. CSU will get that P5 invite before BSU not only due to academics but other factors such as TV market, geography, etc. Boise does not have the TV market to support a P5 school and once they become medicore, their fans will watch other P5 schools instead.
Remember BSU was a FCS school 20 years ago. What they did in 20 years were impressive but let's not just give them a P5 invite just yet. Getting the academics up to par with P5 schools is a much longer process than getting up to par in athletics. If BSU was to get a P5 invite before CSU, we might as well give North Dakota State a P5 invite while we are at it.
If the Pac-12 looks at Colorado as having great potential like the Arizona schools in the past, there is a small chance the Pac-12 invites CSU down the road. New Mexico, if they are serious enough, could be invited along with CSU and in this case, Utah gets sent to the North division. Then that will be pretty much all those "VHRU" schools in the west being in the Pac-12.
And before you throw those tomatoes at me, think about the likehood of CSU joining the Pac-12 as being close to zero at this point.
If you applied the same argument of BSU being more deserving of a P5 bid than CSU, CU wouldn't have been invited to the Pac-12. CU's fit for the Pac-12 was where it mattered the most. Just think like a college president here for a moment. You would prefer the best academic fit within the conference and CSU would most likely get that P5 bid before BSU does. BYU took themselves out of P5 consideration with that 1992 credo. If you look at the map from Colorado to the west coast, only CSU, New Mexico, and possibly Hawaii are rated "Very High Research Universities" by the Carnegie Foundation. Maryland & Rutgers wouldn't have been invited to the Big Ten either if it came down to football success. CSU will get that P5 invite before BSU not only due to academics but other factors such as TV market, geography, etc. Boise does not have the TV market to support a P5 school and once they become medicore, their fans will watch other P5 schools instead.
Remember BSU was a FCS school 20 years ago. What they did in 20 years were impressive but let's not just give them a P5 invite just yet. Getting the academics up to par with P5 schools is a much longer process than getting up to par in athletics. If BSU was to get a P5 invite before CSU, we might as well give North Dakota State a P5 invite while we are at it.
If the Pac-12 looks at Colorado as having great potential like the Arizona schools in the past, there is a small chance the Pac-12 invites CSU down the road. New Mexico, if they are serious enough, could be invited along with CSU and in this case, Utah gets sent to the North division. Then that will be pretty much all those "VHRU" schools in the west being in the Pac-12.
And before you throw those tomatoes at me, think about the likehood of CSU joining the Pac-12 as being close to zero at this point.
This thread is funny to me.
At first, the contention was that CSU is a better program than Boise State. Definitely not.
Then, it became CSU is a better job than Boise State. This is debatable, but the fact that Boise State has had way better coaching the last 20 years is an indicator that maybe CSU ain’t what you’re hyping it to be. Or, that Boise State coaches are cool taking incentive laden contracts since they’re favorites to win the conference every year.
Then, the argument stopped being comparative. It became “Boise State isn’t as good as they were under Chris Petersen”. Somehow, that’s supposed to prove that CSU is now poised to take over the MWC with their mediocre coaching staff and inability to ever beat Boise State...? I don’t think so. Hell, CSU isn’t as good as they were under Sonny Lubick’s third to last season!
At first, the contention was that CSU is a better program than Boise State. Definitely not.
Then, it became CSU is a better job than Boise State. This is debatable, but the fact that Boise State has had way better coaching the last 20 years is an indicator that maybe CSU ain’t what you’re hyping it to be. Or, that Boise State coaches are cool taking incentive laden contracts since they’re favorites to win the conference every year.
Then, the argument stopped being comparative. It became “Boise State isn’t as good as they were under Chris Petersen”. Somehow, that’s supposed to prove that CSU is now poised to take over the MWC with their mediocre coaching staff and inability to ever beat Boise State...? I don’t think so. Hell, CSU isn’t as good as they were under Sonny Lubick’s third to last season!
Which, of coirse, is the point I made. Where you going with this?
That's not really true at all but okay. All I said was that CSU has the most going for it and should be a better program that Boise State which isn't really even debatable. Texas is the better job/program in the Big-12 but they haven't won the conference in what almost 10 years? USC is the best job/program in the Pac-12 and this was the first year they won the conference since 2008. I think people are misunderstanding me and thinking I am trying to put down Boise State as a program when all I am really saying is that CSU should be better. There is nothing wrong with saying Boise is number 2 or 3 in the Mountain West. People don't even realize how lucky they were to win the conference this year because the championship game should have been played at Fresno but it was placed in Boise because of some stupid technicality even though they had the same record and Fresno won the head to head.
People are using some database that is clearly wrong and/or doesn't tell the whole story to prove a pretty meaningless point. CSU's head coach makes about $300,000 more per year on average and they have $200,000 more budgeted for assistant coaches so the assertion that CSU is only the highest paid job in the conference as of right now is totally incorrect. I even admitted that if SDSU gets a new stadium done they would be number one in the conference.
I am not saying Boise is going to fall off dramatically like Holic, just that CSU should be able to take over the top spot in the conference from them if they hire right, which they clearly aren't if they are giving Bobo a raise and extending him after what he has done there.
BlackNGold
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I don't care where they stand in the MWC. I do think if they could create more excitement around their football program it would be good for CU in the long run. I fear college football interest is declining along the Front Range.
These points below fell into second evolution.
Questions you’ve evaded...
1) How come Boise State has gotten nearly all of its coaching hires for 20 years right and lil bruh has not?
2) How come lil aggie hasn’t been able to parlay their natural advantages into more success (and therefore relevance) than Boise State?
At a certain point, one has to admit that lil bruh just ain’t that great. Perhaps there’s something about the program/school that makes it so no one can ever win in fort fun to be truly relevant.
BTW — your points about USC & UT are not well taken. Even though conference titles have not been as plentiful, they’re still relevant. They still compete for the conference. Lil bruh has mostly been an afterthought. USC has competed in big time bowls and put together successful seasons even when Stanford, Oregon, & Udub won the conference. UT has been less competitive. A lot of that is on their dysfunctional booster class, the dominance of OU, and the rise of other programs like TCU and Okie Lite (also Bailer before rape culture became public).
Lil bruh just plain sucks. They’ve spun their wheels for so long, they’re used to the scenery.
Questions you’ve evaded...
1) How come Boise State has gotten nearly all of its coaching hires for 20 years right and lil bruh has not?
2) How come lil aggie hasn’t been able to parlay their natural advantages into more success (and therefore relevance) than Boise State?
At a certain point, one has to admit that lil bruh just ain’t that great. Perhaps there’s something about the program/school that makes it so no one can ever win in fort fun to be truly relevant.
BTW — your points about USC & UT are not well taken. Even though conference titles have not been as plentiful, they’re still relevant. They still compete for the conference. Lil bruh has mostly been an afterthought. USC has competed in big time bowls and put together successful seasons even when Stanford, Oregon, & Udub won the conference. UT has been less competitive. A lot of that is on their dysfunctional booster class, the dominance of OU, and the rise of other programs like TCU and Okie Lite (also Bailer before rape culture became public).
Lil bruh just plain sucks. They’ve spun their wheels for so long, they’re used to the scenery.
It is good for Colorado football if CSU wins their bowl game.
More so if they get better and better every year.
GO RAMMIES!
More so if they get better and better every year.
GO RAMMIES!
They just extended Bobo for three more years, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
I've never understood the basis for that argument. Better for Colorado in what way? I mean, would a win by Marshall move the needle for the health of football in West Virginia? I think it's irrelevant.
You can make all the market arguments, academic arguments, etc. etc. etc. you want.
Simple reality is that CSU isn't getting a P5 invitation and CSU isn't winning their conference and that isn't changing any time soon.
CSU may have a better market than Boise but you couldn't tell that by the support they receive. Who get the national TV games? Boise, because more people consider them worth watching. Who gets mentioned on national shows when the MWC comes up? Not CSU, nobody cares but Boise has all those people who remember them going to major bowls.
Yes CSU had better attendance this year. Their most optimistic outlook with a veteran, talented team and the boost from a brand new stadium and they had better attendance numbers than Boise. Did those attendance numbers hold at the end of the year, saw a lot of empty seats in that shiny new stadium as the season went on while Boise's numbers held or rose. Let's see what the numbers next year say, I'm betting on the normal CSU apathy returning as soon as they take their annual loss to the Buffs and the "fans" move on to other interest.
CSU has a major problem. Their fan base has WGAS disease. Their program is being subsidized by millions of dollars of university funds because the don't have "fans" who care enough to financially support a G5 team much less a P5 team.
Their dream is to join a P5 conference and get the conference funds to support their program. They did everything they could to force the RMS because they dream of beating CU and because they need the money it generates. That game helps them a lot more than it helps CU.
Their dream has always been to in one way or another have somebody else pay for their program because they know that their fans won't do it.
Simple reality is that CSU isn't getting a P5 invitation and CSU isn't winning their conference and that isn't changing any time soon.
CSU may have a better market than Boise but you couldn't tell that by the support they receive. Who get the national TV games? Boise, because more people consider them worth watching. Who gets mentioned on national shows when the MWC comes up? Not CSU, nobody cares but Boise has all those people who remember them going to major bowls.
Yes CSU had better attendance this year. Their most optimistic outlook with a veteran, talented team and the boost from a brand new stadium and they had better attendance numbers than Boise. Did those attendance numbers hold at the end of the year, saw a lot of empty seats in that shiny new stadium as the season went on while Boise's numbers held or rose. Let's see what the numbers next year say, I'm betting on the normal CSU apathy returning as soon as they take their annual loss to the Buffs and the "fans" move on to other interest.
CSU has a major problem. Their fan base has WGAS disease. Their program is being subsidized by millions of dollars of university funds because the don't have "fans" who care enough to financially support a G5 team much less a P5 team.
Their dream is to join a P5 conference and get the conference funds to support their program. They did everything they could to force the RMS because they dream of beating CU and because they need the money it generates. That game helps them a lot more than it helps CU.
Their dream has always been to in one way or another have somebody else pay for their program because they know that their fans won't do it.
MEH!
No response warranted for ignorance.
IOW... you have no response.
Here's all you need to know about CSU and their football program:
Their coach is 2-7 against their rivals (CU, Wyoming, AFA), 0-3 against the best team in the conference (Boise), and despite having been to bowls the past three years, they have lost to Nevada, Idaho, and Marshall in those games.
And they deemed that performance worthy of an extension and a raise.
Their coach is 2-7 against their rivals (CU, Wyoming, AFA), 0-3 against the best team in the conference (Boise), and despite having been to bowls the past three years, they have lost to Nevada, Idaho, and Marshall in those games.
And they deemed that performance worthy of an extension and a raise.
Well, technically, 11 wins isn’t 12, amirite holic?
I do understand the argument that they should have a program that is tops in the MWC, but should and do are two very different things.
Part of the problem is cultural. They should not be anxious to extend a guy who has been a mediocre coach at best. They should not be attracting only 25k to their (admittedly very nice) new stadium for conference games.
CSU in the post-Sonny era is the classic stepping stone job, like much of G5. I don't think that Bobo is getting a P5 offer any time too soon, so I'm not sure why they felt the need to give him the raise. They graduate a ton of starters and lost some coaches this year so I think Mike B. needs to prepare for a longer stint in Fort Collins than he figured. I don't hate CSU but I've always thought of it as a larger version of a B+ Denver area suburban high school, with some well respected Ag stuff thrown in. If I wanted to cross a beet with a carrot, or develop a strain of two-headed miniature spotted goats then I'd go to CSU for sure. Not so much otherwise.
It’s crazy that the perennial powerhouse Rams were upset last night, while the lowly upstarts from Boise were able to punch up to their competition and eek out a W.
To borrow the words of a man much smarter than myself-
“You are dumb argument”- BigBang2
To borrow the words of a man much smarter than myself-
“You are dumb argument”- BigBang2
This thread is still ****ing stupid
You're right...Creighton sure has been good for UNL basketball over the years.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
The nubs have a better chance of a Pac 12 invitation. CSU brings NOTHING to a major conference. They are lower on the totem pole here than all four major sports, the rapids, and anything we have-look at the amount of attention we got locally from last year versus the amount they got when they went 10-2 in 2014............people only noticed when Sparkles decided he wanted to go hump sharks in December of that year. The only way the Pac 12 expands is if the Big 12 falls apart.
Yeah, when CU was at their best it was because CSU was so amazing? Check your history. There is absolutely no correlation between CU's success and Colorado State. None. Please go back to your Frost yank yank yank.
That is the truth...Nubs would get the Pac-12 invite before CSU. If we were to drop CSU from football games, those CSU fans will be Nub fans when they play CU...I have seen this from many northern Front Range friends of mine that are not CU fans. Too much breeding between those two fanbases.
DrunkRalphie
Well-Known Member
I've known many CSU fans that cheer for other teams like NU and UT before their own Rams. They only care about CSU one weekend of the year.
Sykobuff
Well-Known Member
It's better for Allbuffs if you continue to be the biggest idot on this board. Thankfully, you never disappoint.
jizzrag85
Well-Known Member
Unbelievably true. I know all kinds of people who say they’re “rams fans” when I say anything about CU. 85% of the time they just so happen to be huge Nebraska fans too. Okay DB, whatever, how convenient.