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Julmisse arrested Thursday, court appearance Friday - dismissed from the team

JFC, that is absurd. Authorities are now telling individuals how they should feel and what kind of relationship people are in?? How in the hell can that stand, and can any legal action be taken by Boermeester against the University?
 
Buffnik said:
Unbelievable.

Have we lost all sense?
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Apparently yes.

This sounds like one of those throwing the baby out with the bathwater situations. There is nothing to indicate that this is anything other than an isolated incident and that both agree that it wasn't an incident of DV.

Getting throw out of school for something like this is ridiculous. I could certainly see making him or both of them go to a counseling session to focus a little on handling their anger better but to throw somebody out of school for this is stupid. And they also tried to make her believe she was wrong, no.
 
MtnBuff said:
Apparently yes.

This sounds like one of those throwing the baby out with the bathwater situations. There is nothing to indicate that this is anything other than an isolated incident and that both agree that it wasn't an incident of DV.

Getting throw out of school for something like this is ridiculous. I could certainly see making him or both of them go to a counseling session to focus a little on handling their anger better but to throw somebody out of school for this is stupid. And they also tried to make her believe she was wrong, no.
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Not even an "incident". She said they were playing.
 
TSchekler said:
JFC, that is absurd. Authorities are now telling individuals how they should feel and what kind relationship people are in?? How in the hell can that stand, and can any legal action be taken by Boermeester against the University?
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I was wondering the same. Knowing we have legal folks on the board, I'd like to see what they have to say about it.
 
Buffnik said:
Not even an "incident". She said they were playing.
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An incident from a standpoint that it "looked" like something else to the person who reported it.

Whole thing is just crazy. Can't believe they don't have something more important to spend their time on.
 
BuffLuKe said:
I was wondering the same. Knowing we have legal folks on the board, I'd like to see what they have to say about it.
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Sure, the guy could sue the university. He wouldn't be the first. There was a crazy case at Columbia where one student accused another of rape. The man was cleared after the university's process. The women then carried a mattress around on her back for the next year or so to protest how she was treated. I think she even got credit for it as "performance art." The guy sued the university for allowing her to slander him in this way. Columbia settled the lawsuit.

It seems unlikely this guy could prevail in time to be reinstated for fall semester, though.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Sure, the guy could sue the university. He wouldn't be the first. There was a crazy case at Columbia where one student accused another of rape. The man was cleared after the university's process. The women then carried a mattress around on her back for the next year or so to protest how she was treated. I think she even got credit for it as "performance art." The guy sued the university for allowing her to slander him in this way. Columbia settled the lawsuit.

It seems unlikely this guy could prevail in time to be reinstated for fall semester, though.
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Now I expect to read that the USC Title IX office is suing Katz for defamation.
 
BuffLuKe said:
I was wondering the same. Knowing we have legal folks on the board, I'd like to see what they have to say about it.
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I spoke with an attorney who has defended males before school disciplinary boards and he said that the Feds have some kind of formula that determines how many sex assaults there are/should be at a school each year, based on enrollment. Nothing hard and fast, but if a school is well below federal projections, the feds think the school is covering up. This ends up with the schools bending over backwards to find people guilty of something.

No 1st hand knowledge, just what I was told.
 
I have a ton of questions about this but I'll leave it alone. Several things stink about it though. I appreciate the answers.
 
I think Julmisse is now wishing he had just stepped back and watched the fight ensue:

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TSchekler said:
JFC, that is absurd. Authorities are now telling individuals how they should feel and what kind of relationship people are in?? How in the hell can that stand, and can any legal action be taken by Boermeester against the University?
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That's because many women in abusive relationships deny they are being abused. Of course we all know that. And that presents quite the dilemma. It sounds like in the Boermeister case there was more than one witness. Like, why did the tennis coach get involved?
 
DBT said:
That's because many women in abusive relationships deny they are being abused. Of course we all know that. And that presents quite the dilemma. It sounds like in the Boermeister case there was more than one witness. Like, why did the tennis coach get involved?
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As I understand it, someone reported it to the tennis coach because she's a tennis player. He filed a T9 report, as he is obligated to do.
 
Buffnik said:
As I understand it, someone reported it to the tennis coach because she's a tennis player. He filed a T9 report, as he is obligated to do.
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Our society has tilted out of kilter in my humble, old entitled middle class white guy opinion. Of course, since I'm an old entitled middle class white guy, my opinion doesn't mean anything because I've never suffered from the bias and prejudice that my ilk perpetrates on the less fortunate.
 
I've been busy and admittedly haven't even looked at the story till today. Sounds like a jealous ex caused a scene and he led her out twice, second time forcifully (she claims)

Anything I'm missing? I'm against all forms of DV, but if all he did was remove her, I don't see the charges here. If anything, she should be charged as well for creating the situation to begin with.
 
Buffsrock85 said:
I've been busy and admittedly haven't even looked at the story till today. Sounds like a jealous ex caused a scene and he led her out twice, second time forcifully (she claims)

Anything I'm missing? I'm against all forms of DV, but if all he did was remove her, I don't see the charges here. If anything, she should be charged as well for creating the situation to begin with.
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She had no signs of any injuries as well. I'd have expected some bruising if he'd used much force at all grabbing her arm.
 
DBT said:
She had no signs of any injuries as well. I'd have expected some bruising if he'd used much force at all grabbing her arm.
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Its my understanding (my wife is a DA) that there doesn't have to be any physical signs of injury for the third-degree assault charge - simply infliction of pain. That assault charge is then classified as DV due to the fact that they were, at some point, intimate.
 
SickerThnYou said:
Its my understanding (my wife is DA), that there doesn't have to be any physical signs of injury for the third-degree assault charge - simply infliction of pain. That assault charge is then classified as DV due to the fact that they were, at some point, intimate.
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DV charges were dropped.
 
sackman said:
DV charges were dropped.
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Someone on Scout explained to me that DV isn't a charge so much as a category and that it can be an enhancer upon sentencing. But that there isn't a specific DV charge. I don't know if that's accurate or not.
 
SickerThnYou said:
Its my understanding (my wife is a DA) that there doesn't have to be any physical signs of injury for the third-degree assault charge - simply infliction of pain. That assault charge is then classified as DV due to the fact that they were, at some point, intimate.
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This sounds like one of those "he said, she said" deals with no witnesses as far as I've heard. How does the prosecution prove "pain?" One thing that occurs to me is that he corroborated her story in that he did admit he grabbed her by the arm and escorted her down the hall. Maybe he should have just kept his mouth shut.
 
DBT said:
This sounds like one of those "he said, she said" deals with no witnesses as far as I've heard. How does the prosecution prove "pain?" One thing that occurs to me is that he corroborated her story in that he did admit he grabbed her by the arm and escorted her down the hall. Maybe he should have just kept his mouth shut.
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This is always the answer. Never make a statement to the police when you are a suspect. Never. No good can come of it.
 
BuffsNYC said:
This is always the answer. Never make a statement to the police when you are a suspect. Never. No good can come of it.
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I'm pretty sure I saw this video on this board. Not that you need to watch or anything but a good breakdown on why.
 
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