So your argument is that he got the double double and stayed in the job a few days later?
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Mel Tucker leaves CU for Michigan State
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So your argument is that he got the double double and stayed in the job a few days later?
Clearly he did not communicate to his agent that he was not open to other jobs this year. That's standard practice. He's a snake.
hawg1
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Yep. He split 8s four times.
No indications anything was happening on NSD. But I do think he avoid eye contact once on August 28, 20-9.
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Who was dictating the timeline? Mel, MSU, or CU? Seems to me Mel has impulse control issues and flip-flops on a moment’s notice. He confirms his loyalty with RG on Sat and bails two days later.
It was within in Mel’s power to slow MSU’s roll.
It was in Mel’s power to not work behind RGs back.
If Mel was transparent with RG on Mon-Tue, and had he collaborated with the various stakeholders from a place of trust and transparency, it would have been well within the realm of reasonableness to professionally manage the timeline and the PR messaging better.
From my end of the telescope, I see his agent notifying Mel on Sat letting him know “close but no cigar”, causing Mel to double down on his faux loyalty to the Buffs. And then on Monday, his agent hits the jackpot and puts Mel’s full self-serving character on display as demonstrated by unforgettable deceit and a shameful midnight runner. If he really cared about CU+RG+his players, he could have avoided the whirlwind. Instead he is a coward for letting the whirlwind define who he is.
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I feel about spot on with your post. I couldn't get mad at a coach for taking more money for a job he's supposedly qualified for, but the way he handled it is absolute garbage. I don't know how else to put it really?
hawg1
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Agent: we are not interested in offers this year. Thank you for calling but we are all set.
school/Recruiter: we are talking about generational wealth and goodies beyond belief.
agent: we understand, but thank you.
school/recruiter: I just eNt to make sure you understand this could very well be a top
10 CFB salary.
Agent: I’ll get back to you.
this is standard practice.
At the end of the day, what we got here was desperation being pounced upon by a snake oil salesman.
Here4hottakes
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Tennessee was willing to pay up. Seems like we don't understand the market. Ive lost employees in the past that really pissed me off because I thought there should have been some loyalty. The reality is that I didn't do my job to keep he employee engaged and comfortable. The first inclination is to rage that the guy was just an asshole, but introspection allowed to me to see that I was not without fault. If CU is serious about being a contender they need to find more money. The Pac12 obviously was not the answer. I don't see the point of having a football program if you are not doing all you can to be the NC. We have been trying to be a discount contender since before Barnett, and the results speak for themselves. Sure, we are spending more than ever, but we are still way behind the programs that play in January. There is more to this story than one greedy person.
Here4hottakes
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All of those calls seemed to lack any focus or energy. He called them all 'big guy' and said basically the same things. He seemed distracted for sure, but that could have been anything.
I'm not upset at Brumbaugh. I'm upset that Tucker, as his boss, would use it as a justification for why he started to entertain the idea of leaving. There was nothing hidden from him or changed on him from the job he was so thankful for a year ago. None of his bosses changed. His budget was increasing. CU did exactly what Tucker expected and he still went shopping - doing it in a very deceitful way with zero integrity.
Mb2658
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My feeling is that Tucker was considering the job in earnest and wanted the it the entire time as soon as he heard about it. That may have been before it was public. Dantonio announced his retirement a day before NSD. His retirement didn’t blindside MSU especially since he is remaining with the university.
That’s different than what you wrote before. He very likely had passive interest. MSU is a better job than Colorado.
There’s no evidence to suggest that his interest to actually move came until the major dollar offer came from MSU.
To be fair, neither Cleaves or Tucker are fans of using lube or asking for consent
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Larry Nassar‘s victims and any number of CU Buffs loyalists disagree.
But if money is your god, then you make a solid argument.
Mb2658
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You are so right. Happy?
Yep.
As a trial attorney who mainly handles contract disputes (though not in sports or entertainment), I can tell you that a surprisingly high number of terms of a contract are subject to dispute and interpretation - or at least people willing to try. There are a number of legal doctrines giving rise to disputes and introduction of evidence beyond the four-corners of any written contract.
As I said before, I do not disagree that any attempt to pursue damages on this set of facts and this contract would be ridiculous. Change a fact or term here or there, though, and who knows. Change the “norm” of allowing other schools to talk to your coach... and things get interesting.
Colorado has to be careful not to make itself litigious with coaches. We do not want to dissuade future candidates from working in Boulder.
The way Colorado solves this issue is by boosting buyout amounts and setting dates that correspond to the beginning of seasons instead of time periods near the close of the NSD period. It will require some additional investment in HC hires, but will save us in the long run.
Of course, this will also require Colorado to hire good attorneys to help structure the contracts. So far, we’ve gotten jammed the last two times we’ve had a coach change by our own contract language.
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Any thoughts about putting a number on the liquidated damages of the sudden vacancy at CU?
The negotiated $3M buyout stated in the liquidated contract is the obvious starting place.
But whether that amount covers the actual cost of damage to CU is not crystal clear, nor do I know if that $3m has a basis that reflects the real-world cost:
Some of these costs that CU will or might absorb includes
- coaching search at HC, assistant and staff levels.
- risk in loss of ticket sales (or growth momentum), donation amounts due to program instability and/or step backwards in on-field performance
- no ROI on commits who are released & additional incremental recruiting costs needed to shore up the roster
- unbudgeted salary adjustments to bring new staff salary costs into alignment with rising market rates
While it’s fun to assume CU could plow the $3M into raises for assistants, it also wouldn’t be surprising if Tucker’s departure ends up setting CU back more than $3M. Maybe much more. We won’t really know the dollar figure until later.
To me, the $3M Tucker owes CU sure seems like it’s not large enough to cover the damages associated with him liquidating the contract. Anybody feel differently?
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The system is broken
The resets at programs can be devastating
So, instead of backstabbing you pay to play. Buyouts are essentially Transfer Fees, but are generic and are for the coaches only, not the collective changes and net cost of those changes. Tortuous Interference happens in spades in American business and if you have less money or power, then screw you. I am just saying you need to add language about staff interference and tie more fees to the process to help the previous school recover. Not sure of every detail, but as mentioned in so many other posts, our contracts suck!!!
buff_fanatic
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Michigan State Player Threatens to Transfer if Mel Tucker Doesn't Bring Back His Position Coach
Michigan State defensive end Jacub Panasiuk threatened to transfer if his position coach is not retained under new head coach Mel Tucker.
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Mel will just tell the young man that he's committed to the position coach. What could go wrong?Michigan State Player Threatens to Transfer if Mel Tucker Doesn't Bring Back His Position Coach
Michigan State defensive end Jacub Panasiuk threatened to transfer if his position coach is not retained under new head coach Mel Tucker.
And a very desparate out of control Athletic Department with no morals wanting to stay relevant! Two willing parties with equaling abhorrent ethics when it comes to results and money.
Football contracts quite commonly have minimum fee release clauses also. Every single player in Spain has one mandated by law. It's all about setting it high enough to deter interest.
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Exactly. If MT’s buyout was $11 million, he’s still Colorado’s coach.