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Official 2025 Opening Week - Georgia Tech Thread

DBT said:
I know QB’s need to avoid contact as much as possible. But Salter had a couple of runs toward the sideline where he just gave up and stepped OB when he could’ve picked up 3 or 4 more yards. I hate that. Put your head down and fight for extra yards!
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I don't want him fighting for extra yards unless it is game critical.

Bothered me though that there were multiple times when he threw a pass away when he had a big enough gap in front of him to pick up the first down or at least substantial yardage as still get down before the hit. Had he done that a few times it would have forced the defense to come up and left our WRs with more room to work. At the same time it would have kept our offense on the field meaning the defense wasn't out there getting tired.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Saw PFF grades for defensive units and it showed DL being pretty good, DBs being solid to good and LBs being really bad. The commentary was that this GT offense is very tough on LBs and they pretty much have to be perfect in the run game. Said run fits were the problem.
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I can’t remember where I heard it, but heading into the season French and Hughes were described as rangier, quicker, and more athletic than last year’s group—but less gap sound. Georgia Tech is the team on our schedule best positioned to exploit that trade-off.
 
#1 pick said:
This Shedeur hate is getting idiotic. We didnt play a lot of hero ball with Shedeur. We barely played hero ball with Shedeur. Usually he had to do everything in those cases and it was when everything went bad. Nebraska 2024, Oregon, BYU, and the one game we won, Baylor. Let's stop this bull**** narrative because of one bad preseason game which he was setup to fail
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What? Explain KSU last year. Stanford 2023. Those are just examples off the top of my head at midnight.
 
BuffWarHogFrog said:
What? Explain KSU last year. Stanford 2023. Those are just examples off the top of my head at midnight.
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He played well against KSU. We lost most of our WR room that game and he still was going off.

Stanford was prime example of what Shedeur needs to improve on in the NFL which is game management. That's a weakness of his and Stanford exposed him in the 2nd half for it. Harder to do that in his senior year because we just spammed screens when teams took away the big plays. It was a lot harder in year 1 with guys like Dawson and Mathis getting serious playing time.
 
Birch1 said:
He is oblivious, and nobody will tell him that he’ll truly listen to. That’s my take. He just doesn’t understand it. It is what it is. It’s a fault, everyone has them.
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Byron Howell's otherwise complete review of the game does not mention any TO issues.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Saw PFF grades for defensive units and it showed DL being pretty good, DBs being solid to good and LBs being really bad. The commentary was that this GT offense is very tough on LBs and they pretty much have to be perfect in the run game. Said run fits were the problem.
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This was my fear in losing NHG to Alabama—where he was starting already in their first game. I didn’t see much, but I saw him shut down outside bubble screen for a yard from his ILB spot because he read it so quick. That’s why Alabama wanted him when there are far faster ILBs.

Reading is LB’ing.

NHG was IN the hole insanely early when he was starting at CU, a la Landman. We lost a TON when he left, and just bringing in speed isn’t the perfect solution. I saw some serious speed from French especially, but all our LBs were super slow on recognizing the hole and filling it, even when they weren’t completely blocked (another important LB skill). GT RBs weren’t touched until they were well past the LOS almost all the time.
 
GawainBuff said:
This was my fear in losing NHG to Alabama—where he was starting already in their first game. I didn’t see much, but I saw him shut down outside bubble screen for a yard from his ILB spot because he read it so quick. That’s why Alabama wanted him when there are far faster ILBs.

Reading is LB’ing.

NHG was IN the hole insanely early when he was starting at CU, a la Landman. We lost a TON when he left, and just bringing in speed isn’t the perfect solution. I saw some serious speed from French especially, but all our LBs were super slow on recognizing the hole and filling it, even when they weren’t completely blocked (another important LB skill). GT RBs weren’t touched until they were well past the LOS almost all the time.
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I agree. I would also point out that this improves with film study and live reps (read, recognition, fits and reaction). Our LBs have a lot of room to get better quickly and they should. The ultimate upside is much higher than what we had in 2024, which was exploitable and limited Livingston in what he could game plan or call.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
I would like to watch the All 22 and see if there was a single thing that was good from our offense. Da Lama was even saying that the play calls were not even the best things that we were doing in camp, so I would like to see it from the angles they look at.

Can anyone explain how Shotgun Handoff Running is a good option at all? Unless you have the absolute best OL and RB, it always feels out of sync and does not really provide eye candy for the defense to be thrown off and fall for any kind of ball fake leading to play action.

Pistol is better, under center with really good play fake is even better

I joke about using the Darian Hagan type offense under center, but when we were running option, and Hagan would pull from center, roll or stretch the handoff to the right or left and instead of handoff, keep, or pitch, he would roll 2-3 steps and then just 3 to 5 step backpedal to a throw, it would really open up the field because the defenders had so much to think about instead of not falling for the shotgun handoffs.

Ohio State is running pro concepts right now under center
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You're like 25 years behind how teams run their offenses are ran pretty much everywhere
 
BuffinCali said:
Interesting take:
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There's a good point here underneath the rose colored glasses. Basically, if the QB and offense had performed to its capabilities on Friday the defense was doing enough & with more rest/ GT playing from behind and passing more the D would have done enough to get the win (maybe a comfortable win).
 
Corey Trevorson said:
You're like 25 years behind how teams run their offenses are ran pretty much everywhere
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One thing that was striking to me last night was how much LSU was better coordinated with this than I see from our Buffs. They integrate so much misdirection, influence blocking and counter action (runs and screen passes) that they force a defense to be less aggressive and on its back foot. The playcaller decisions were sometimes questionable, but that offense that Kelly and his assistants have designed is pretty special.
 
SotaBuff said:
If I remember correctly, we did want to keep him. He don’t want to stay
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I don't think Prime tried too hard to keep him because at the time Tyson had been injured for a while so Prime & Staff hadn't been able to see much beyond a skinny, injured underclassman who had been putting up good numbers on a terrible team. Not like there was a concern that they couldn't get a good WR in the portal who they knew would be able to go in spring ball.
 
Buffnik said:
One thing that was striking to me last night was how much LSU was better coordinated with this than I see from our Buffs. They integrate so much misdirection, influence blocking and counter action (runs and screen passes) that they force a defense to be less aggressive and on its back foot. The playcaller decisions were sometimes questionable, but that offense that Kelly and his assistants have designed is pretty special.
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I think this is where having a purely NFL OC is holding them back. I’m not saying the NFL doesn’t run misdirection/counter but they don’t build an offense around that stuff and just hammer it all game; they are mostly college concepts that you can build and playcall and entire offense to at this level. I just don’t know if Shurmur fully understands how to do it because he’s been an NFL guy his whole life. I also don’t think he completely understands how to coach and playcall to a running QB.

Mark Schlereth was on a few weeks ago talking about his time spent in Boulder around the program last year and how he told Prime that the stuff they were asking the OL to do from a protection standpoint was impossible in to execute in reality.

Prime doesn’t have a college Rolodex of coaches and I’m afraid we are going to get outschemed more often than not by career college coaches who understand the limitations of this level and it’s going to show why coaching in college vs the NFL is not interchangeable.
 
CitizenKane said:
Teams CU will face that are better than Georgia Tech. 1. Iowa State 2. BYU 3. Kansas 4. Arizona State 5. Utah
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Iowa State and BYU is not better than GT based on what they have shown so far.

And just by the content of the first week, what makes you think ASU is better than GT?

If you just want to go by the performance of the first 2 weeks, Utah is better than GT, Kansas looks really good but needs stronger team to verify. You can't draw any conclusions for the other three teams.
 
BuffinCali said:
Interesting take:
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He makes a good point. Colorado isn't the only defense that has had trouble stopping King.

Defenses are designed and players develop instincts based on the idea that the QB is going to get rid of the football.

In an openning game the defense hasn't had time to gel as it is and now you throw something at them that is counter to what they have be preparing for their entire football careers. Doesn't say it doesn't need to be dealt with and somehow fixed but it is understandable.

Look at how many teams have trouble dealing with Air Force and other teams that are QB run heavy, even when those teams are more talented than the team running the QB.

Is it a concern? Yes. Is it a reason to panic? No. The bigger reason for concern was the offense not being able to consistently get the ball downfield to our playmakers. A part of that was the offense not making a commitment to running the ball (which when used was effective) and forcing GT to play up and respect the run.

Salter throwing the ball is not a Shedeur which is what we are used to. Very few are at that level. He does throw well enough to win with but part of that is the threat he poses to run the ball. He had multiple opportunities when he could have gotten substantial gains running into empty space, some for easy first downs and instead threw the ball with less positive results.

King had a ton of yardage which is bad but I would guess without being able to go back and look at the all 22 that Salter left at least 60 yards on the field by not running when it was there.
 
Honestly, after reading all the replies here, I don't think people understand how good GT was last year.

They lost to Syracuse, at Syracuse, because McCord had one of the best game of his life.

They lost to Louisville in a very tight game, at Louisville, the score gap looks big because of a fg block TD. Otherwise they would have tied that game late in the fourth quarter.

They lost to Georgia, at Georgia, because of some bad calls from the refs, otherwise they would have won in regular time.

The games they lost to ND and VT, King was hurt so they played backup QB.

And their main productions mostly returned this year.

Listen, they might underperform this year due to injury or whatever bad luck. There is always such possibility in CFB. But based on the available information we have as of now, you are crazy to think GT is not a very good team
 
And, if you put Colorado into that schedule, I can easily see 5 loss there..

If you think GT is not good because they were 7 win team last year, that's just naive, lazy thinking
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I think this is where having a purely NFL OC is holding them back. I’m not saying the NFL doesn’t run misdirection/counter but they don’t build an offense around that stuff and just hammer it all game; they are mostly college concepts that you can build and playcall and entire offense to at this level. I just don’t know if Shurmur fully understands how to do it because he’s been an NFL guy his whole life. I also don’t think he completely understands how to coach and playcall to a running QB.

Mark Schlereth was on a few weeks ago talking about his time spent in Boulder around the program last year and how he told Prime that the stuff they were asking the OL to do from a protection standpoint was impossible in to execute in reality.

Prime doesn’t have a college Rolodex of coaches and I’m afraid we are going to get outschemed more often than not by career college coaches who understand the limitations of this level and it’s going to show why coaching in college vs the NFL is not interchangeable.
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You are right here. The pro game and the college game are very different because of the question of running the QB.

There are very few QBs who have the high level skillset to succeed in the NFL, when a team has one they want him to last all season and last multiple years. Because of that they want to limit the amount of contact he takes, even a guy like Lamar who is a huge threat running is limited in the number of times he carries the ball and is coached to get what he can get then slide or go out of bounds, don't take the hits. Russell Wilson did that for a decade in Seattle.

In the college game the hitting isn't quite as brutal, the schedule is significantly shorter, and frequently teams have the next guy on the bench. Running a QB doesn't carry the same downsides. Add that sometimes like with King, the QB is a bigger threat running than he is passing.

Offensive Coaches coming from the pro game don't have experience with this dynamic. Same may be true defensively which may be part of why Livingston didn't have a lot of success adjusting to GT.
 
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